For a team that loves advanced stats, why Bradley?

[rasta1]

Something I don't understand is Bradley does not seem to be a starter when looking at advanced stats at all

His PER is only a 12.6


http://www.82games.com/1314/13BOS3.HTM

I don't know what most of the stuff means but comapring with other players nothing really stands out for bradley

He does pass the eye test for me for being a solid NBA player but again the numbers don't back it up

Humphries on the other hand is leading our team in advanced stats and he is also passing the eye test. The reason we don't play him is beyond me

[sed522002]

Who else is going to start in AB's place (Pressey, Bogans, Brooks, they need Lee's scoring off the bench)? Also, Hump is starting to get plenty of playing time, he's practically the 6th man off the bench. With this roster there's a lot of eveness and everyone isn't going to play significant minutes. We also have a roster of role players playing as starters. It is what it is.

[317]

PER doesn't factor defense in very well, only taking into account blocks, steals and fouls. Bradly is all NBA defense 2nd team(1st?) i would say add at least 5 to his PER for a accurate value

[European NBA fan]

You can't really use those stats at all. 82games counts Bradley as a point guard even when he plays with Crawford. And we all know that his game took a huge leap when he moved from the point (I believe his PER was below 10 while playing point).

[LarBrd33]

PER doesn't factor defense in very well, only taking into account blocks, steals and fouls. Bradly is all NBA defense 2nd team(1st?) i would say add at least 5 to his PER for a accurate value

Looking at his defensive stats...

If you look at the advanced stats of when Bradley is on the court vs of when he's not... our opponents score 1 point less (per 100 possessions) when he's on the court.   Last year, there was no difference at all.

He's like 180th in defensive rating.

Am I looking at the wrong stats, or is he just overrated defensively as well?

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I'll say this over and over again, stats don't tell the whole story.

[crimson_stallion]

The problem with on/off is that it doesn't take in to account other players who are on thecourt at the same time.  I like using this stat too, but Bradley usually plays alongside Crawford, who is a pretty terrible defensive player.  Two seasons backhison/off was the best on the team after KG.

Anyhow last I checked Bradley's individual defensive stats were elite.  Opposing FG% was something like 30% when Bradley was the primary defender, and points per possession I believe we're also down around 0.79 or something.  I can't recall the exact numbers, but IIRC both were elite and up in the upper echelon of NBA players.

Maybe somebody with more access to statistical data can give a bit more insight in to these figures and perhaps quote some accurate numbers?

[obnoxiousmime]

Something I don't understand is Bradley does not seem to be a starter when looking at advanced stats at all

His PER is only a 12.6


http://www.82games.com/1314/13BOS3.HTM

I don't know what most of the stuff means but comapring with other players nothing really stands out for bradley

He does pass the eye test for me for being a solid NBA player but again the numbers don't back it up

Humphries on the other hand is leading our team in advanced stats and he is also passing the eye test. The reason we don't play him is beyond me

Why are you assuming the Celtics overvalue him? Just because he's starting right now doesn't mean they think he's the "answer" at SG.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Advanced statS.

More than one.

More than PER.

The problem with on/off is that it doesn't take in to account other players who are on thecourt at the same time.  I like using this stat too, but Bradley usually plays alongside Crawford, who is a pretty terrible defensive player.  Two seasons backhison/off was the best on the team after KG.

Yeah. A DRtg of 105 is decent when you consider the personnel he plays with. Last year the PnR defense was a problem, which also hurt AB's rating.

Teams also have many stats that only they track. I know teams track hockey assists, just as an example. I think rebounds attempted are tallied as well?

As others have said, PER is not comprehensive at all. Stats are impartial...but it's impossible to be 100% comprehensive when there are so many variables...especially when you are just a fan and don't have the time or access to resources.

[LooseCannon]

I've gotten the sense from Ainge that Boston's in-house proprietary stats using data not available to the general public suggest a strong synergistic relationship when Bradley and Rondo are on the floor together so that the team has a strong interest in seeing the two as a long-term starting backcourt. 

[BballTim]

I'll say this over and over again, stats don't tell the whole story.

  Beyond this, stats available to the public tell less of the story than the advanced stats Danny's looking at.

[Celtics4ever]

I read an article about Stevens yesterday where he said numbers are over rated and that his use of them were blown out of proportion.

[clover]

Advanced statS.

More than one.

More than PER.

The problem with on/off is that it doesn't take in to account other players who are on thecourt at the same time.  I like using this stat too, but Bradley usually plays alongside Crawford, who is a pretty terrible defensive player.  Two seasons backhison/off was the best on the team after KG.

Yeah. A DRtg of 105 is decent when you consider the personnel he plays with. Last year the PnR defense was a problem, which also hurt AB's rating.

Teams also have many stats that only they track. I know teams track hockey assists, just as an example. I think rebounds attempted are tallied as well?

As others have said, PER is not comprehensive at all. Stats are impartial...but it's impossible to be 100% comprehensive when there are so many variables...especially when you are just a fan and don't have the time or access to resources.

It helps to explain why Lee has been cranky, however: he and Bradley have the same defensive rating of 105, but Lee's offensive rating is 13 points higher (110 to 97).

[ManUp]

PER doesn't factor defense in very well, only taking into account blocks, steals and fouls. Bradly is all NBA defense 2nd team(1st?) i would say add at least 5 to his PER for a accurate value

Looking at his defensive stats...

If you look at the advanced stats of when Bradley is on the court vs of when he's not... our opponents score 1 point less (per 100 possessions) when he's on the court.   Last year, there was no difference at all.

He's like 180th in defensive rating.

Am I looking at the wrong stats, or is he just overrated defensively as well?

I think people overestimate how much a 6'2 guard can effect a team's over-all defense. There's no such thing as a defensive anchor at the guard or wing positions. Bradley is an exceptional defender, but without the full court press he's not going to have the same game changing affect.

[Clench123]

We're tanking.  Does it really matter?