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Sometimes No words need to be spoken.
« on: January 01, 2014, 07:17:55 AM »

Offline KG Living Legend

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 At 5:38 to go in the third Quarter New Years eve night versus the Hawks. What a fascinating display of human behavior. Phil Pressey's eyes are worth the price of admission. He was the first to lock onto the moment when Bass was clearly calling Jeff Green out with Non Verbal communication that everyone that was watching understood. In cameras view it was Phil, Brooks, Bogans, Lee,Wallace, Walter McCarty,  and finally the aloof Faverini. as well as an assistant coach behind them.
 Bass Completely disrespected him as a man. He looked at him with utter disgust sized him up by looking up and down at him. And Green did absolutely nothing at all. I say this was a pivotal moment for Jeff in his career here. He has a chance to redeem himself.
 This is also a big test for Stevens his first real moment of I have a talented but unmotivated player. Can he get through to him or does he want to see him moved. Wow the guy really is Soft.

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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2014, 08:05:05 AM »

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 At 5:38 to go in the third Quarter New Years eve night versus the Hawks. What a fascinating display of human behavior. Phil Pressey's eyes are worth the price of admission. He was the first to lock onto the moment when Bass was clearly calling Jeff Green out with Non Verbal communication that everyone that was watching understood. In cameras view it was Phil, Brooks, Bogans, Lee,Wallace, Walter McCarty,  and finally the aloof Faverini. as well as an assistant coach behind them.
 Bass Completely disrespected him as a man. He looked at him with utter disgust sized him up by looking up and down at him. And Green did absolutely nothing at all. I say this was a pivotal moment for Jeff in his career here. He has a chance to redeem himself.
 This is also a big test for Stevens his first real moment of I have a talented but unmotivated player. Can he get through to him or does he want to see him moved. Wow the guy really is Soft.

A couple of things...The assistant coach was Jay Larranaga. Bass did indeed say things to Green. The bickering was back and forth.

What exactly did you want Green to do? You say "he did nothing at all" and that he's "soft", but what is he supposed to do in that situation? Hit Bass over the head with a 2 x 4? Maybe a chair? Right now the situation is a borderline non-issue. However, if they had fought on the bench it would've been a major incident and caused an uproar though the league.

No thanks. Hey Jeff, keeping being "soft".

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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2014, 09:18:45 AM »

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 I wasn't even talking about when words were exchanged. Just that moment. What do I want Jeff to do. Stand up for himself. Look back at Bass. Show some emotion. Maybe tell Bass to go F Himself. Something, anything but look away and pretend all eyes are not on him.

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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2014, 09:20:13 AM »

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 At 5:38 to go in the third Quarter New Years eve night versus the Hawks. What a fascinating display of human behavior. Phil Pressey's eyes are worth the price of admission. He was the first to lock onto the moment when Bass was clearly calling Jeff Green out with Non Verbal communication that everyone that was watching understood. In cameras view it was Phil, Brooks, Bogans, Lee,Wallace, Walter McCarty,  and finally the aloof Faverini. as well as an assistant coach behind them.
 Bass Completely disrespected him as a man. He looked at him with utter disgust sized him up by looking up and down at him. And Green did absolutely nothing at all. I say this was a pivotal moment for Jeff in his career here. He has a chance to redeem himself.
 This is also a big test for Stevens his first real moment of I have a talented but unmotivated player. Can he get through to him or does he want to see him moved. Wow the guy really is Soft.

A couple of things...The assistant coach was Jay Larranaga. Bass did indeed say things to Green. The bickering was back and forth.

What exactly did you want Green to do? You say "he did nothing at all" and that he's "soft", but what is he supposed to do in that situation? Hit Bass over the head with a 2 x 4? Maybe a chair? Right now the situation is a borderline non-issue. However, if they had fought on the bench it would've been a major incident and caused an uproar though the league.

No thanks. Hey Jeff, keeping being "soft".

Given the lack of real information about what was said, why it was said, the background leading to the 'incident', I tend to agree with Eddie20 here.  For all we know, Jeff may have been counseling himself to wait till they get to the locker room rather than have a televised blowout and look like a couple of 10 year olds.   

What appears to some as a pouty quiet 'tantrum' may be viewed by others as a mature choice given the options.  Maybe they'll provide more info over the next few days, till then, I think that speculation based on body language is not reliable enough data to draw definitive conclusions.

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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2014, 09:22:55 AM »

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 But to the greater point this is why Green is who we though he is. If he cared and had any toughness or eve passion he could be great. But he's not he's just a super talented little baby. Plain and simple. Trade Green for the right price.

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 Trade Green for the right price.

Eh, but for a lot of people, that is an expiring contract so we can be worse this year. He is worth more than that and really shouldn't be moved unless we are getting real talent in return.

As for the incident, I am happy Green didn't do anything. Even if he told Bass to 'F off', as you put it, there is a likelihood that this could be a much much bigger story given Bass' probable response to that. You need passionate players, but you also need players who can keep their cool under pressure. There is a reason you want Jeff taking the last shot in a game.

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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2014, 10:58:21 AM »

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So we're in the make-believe business now.

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there are multiple ways to handle conflict, especially in public. rarely have i seen "hissy fit" or "calling people out" at the top of the recommended behavior list.

green did fine to not over react to the situation, or respond in a "tough/manly/macho/idiotic" fashion.
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« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2014, 11:22:08 AM »

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 Make Believe? Go look for your self I studied body language in college and what was being communicated was blatantly obvious.

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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2014, 11:30:42 AM »

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 How would Bird, Jordan, Magic, Pierce, KG, Rondo, Chris Paul, React to that. They wouldn't tolerate it for one second. Green is soft and will always be. Accept it people he did not react well to that at all. I don't see how you argue the contrary.

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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2014, 11:34:55 AM »

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 I don't think Green should even do this and Lebron was never going to hit his buddy Chalmers but sometimes you have to let people know enough is enough.

 http://youtu.be/Rj1LIqGv1A0

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« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2014, 12:16:28 PM »

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 How would Bird, Jordan, Magic, Pierce, KG, Rondo, Chris Paul, React to that. They wouldn't tolerate it for one second. Green is soft and will always be. Accept it people he did not react well to that at all. I don't see how you argue the contrary.

So if Green would have gone Washington vs Rudy T on Bass would that make him a better basketball player in your eyes?

Is this C's Blog or MMA Junkie?

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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2014, 12:18:51 PM »

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Make Believe? Go look for your self I studied body language in college and what was being communicated was blatantly obvious.

Oh what I coincidence, I studied body language in colleage as well...

Anyways, yes what you're writing is fiction. There was no real change from Pressey's look other than looking up to Bass who was coming over.

As for Bass looking Green up and down, what he was actually doing was simply sitting down. But if you want to go further and imply that he was looking Green up and down to insinuate that he was nothing, your complaint about Jeff Green's reaction is completely unfounded because Bass did all that while Green had his eyes on the court.

We can go even further and say how weak Bass was, there you have Green talking crap to you and all you do is look back at him and take a sit? Where's his fire?! But you know, I'm not in the make-believe industry.

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« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2014, 12:52:29 PM »

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 So your saying Green didn't realize Bass wasn't staring directly at him? Green had no idea right? Even though about ten people were staring at them both. Green had no idea what was going on. Have another Beer Bud.

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« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2014, 01:08:17 PM »

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there is a more important point from this incident than Green's non-reaction.

On the Boston star list Green is supposed to be higher than Bass but you can see he does not get that respect from his teammate. That to me speaks more about this incident than anything else. Do you think anyone would look at Bird, PP, or KG like that when they were the stars on the Celtics? The answer is no.

So here is the deal. If you cannot get respect from even your own teammates the officials and opponents will respect you even less.