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Re: Go after Bynum, Sanders and Asik.
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2013, 11:43:53 AM »

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why in the world would any1 want bynum at this stage of his career?!?!
I'd gladly trade Bass and Lee for him.  I wouldn't even cut Bynum... I'd hang onto him until Summer.

Worst case scenario:  He's a disaster... it's a salary dump.  We aren't stuck paying Bass and Lee.  Bynum can be traded in the offseason as an instant expiring contract... or we just take the cap savings ourselves.

Best case scenario:  He somehow manages to play without pain.  His numbers this year aren't nearly as bad as people are pretending.  15 points, 9 boards 2 blocks per 36 minutes.  I'd take that kind of production if he could stay on the court. 

Funny... just over a year ago some people here were passionately arguing that Bynum was the best big in the league.  Several of the folks here said he was superior to Dwight HOward.  He's only 26 years old. He's played roughly the same amount of games as Rondo since 2011.  Bynum is healthier and younger than Rondo... and fully healthy he's a force you could build a team around.   

It would be classic buy low Ainge.

Exactly.

In my mind, going after Bynum would be a classic calculated risk.

Say you unload Bass/Lee to get him. You rid yourself of their contracts and if Bynum doesn't pan out, you can just waive him at the end of the season or offer him as an expiring contract at the end of the season. That's the worse case scenario.

Best case scenario.  He ends up enjoying playing in Boston. He gets more playing time and the starting center gig. He starts to thrive. Maybe limit his minutes if you have to (don't play him in back to backs if need be) and suddenly Bynum starts to remind you in small doses of the player he was with the Lakers.

It's certainly a risk but one I think worth taking. I refuse to believe he's COMPLETELY done (at least not yet.)

Plus, let's not forget, wasn't Bynum kinda redundant in Cleveland to being with?

I mean they have Varajeo, Thompson, Zeller, Bennett, Earl Clark all in the front-court. Possible he was just kinda getting lost in the shuffle?

Personally I think a team with Rondo, Sully and Bynum could do a lot of damage.

Re: Go after Bynum, Sanders and Asik.
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2013, 11:49:58 AM »

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this team might set a record for offensive ineptitude from the center position.  :D

asik and sanders cant create their own shot and rely upon lobs and put backs for almost all their scoring. both are very limited offensive players.

bynum can used to be able to score, but with those knees i doubt he can play many minutes.

seems like over kill to me to get all three, but an interesting thought. i would be satisfied if any one of them came to the celtics for a bargain basement price. none of them would put the celtics substantially closer to a championship, but they would help provide a stronger supporting cast for the eventual stars on the team.

I was being greedy. Originally, I was thinking of including Gasol and Monroe in my post as well.

Re: Go after Bynum, Sanders and Asik.
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2013, 11:54:17 AM »

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Bynum reminds me of mercenary. Soldier......he is loyal to who ever is paying him ....and if not comfortable pull up roots and move on to another gig in a moments notice.

He is no more loyal than his next paycheck .

He would join the Celtics in a heartbeat.......just to go against the grain ......and pack up and leave one morning.

Re: Go after Bynum, Sanders and Asik.
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2013, 12:09:57 PM »

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I don't need to think about his motivations, his personality, or his ability to get along with teammates.  The simple fact is that Andrew Bynum's career is over.  He is a worthless space filler on any (yes any) bench.  Any person who has played organized basketball and suffered serious knee or ankle injuries knows it.

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Re: Go after Bynum, Sanders and Asik.
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2013, 01:26:54 PM »

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I think it's worth the risk.  Seriously, what do we have to lose?

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Re: Go after Bynum, Sanders and Asik.
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2013, 01:53:59 PM »

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I think it's worth the risk.  Seriously, what do we have to lose?
He could infect the currently awesome chemistry and competitiveness of the team.  He could make us win more games in a year where it may not be a good idea to do that. 

I'm pretty sure with his attitude and knees that he is not going to be a great player for several more years.  Why invest in a short term answer and take minutes away from a younger/healthier player who could be a part of a future core?

I understand why a title contender might want to have him for a couple years, but not a team like the Celtics.

Re: Go after Bynum, Sanders and Asik.
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2013, 02:37:23 PM »

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Funny... just over a year ago some people here were passionately arguing that Bynum was the best big in the league.  Several of the folks here said he was superior to Dwight HOward.  He's only 26 years old. He's played roughly the same amount of games as Rondo since 2011.  Bynum is healthier and younger than Rondo... and fully healthy he's a force you could build a team around.   

  Raise your hand if you think Bynum's going to be healthier than Rondo going forward, or even if you think he has been in the past. He's had 1 season in his 9 year career where he was a force and his team took advantage of that to unload him.

Re: Go after Bynum, Sanders and Asik.
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2013, 02:50:39 PM »

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I'm more worried about Bynum's attitude and drive over his knees.

Personally, I think he's doing okay physically. But when I read a news article that says "Andrew Bynum does not want to play basketball anymore", I want no part of that.
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Re: Go after Bynum, Sanders and Asik.
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2013, 03:16:42 PM »

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I want him for Wallace.  Then waive him.  It can open up tax space to use the trade exception if nothing else.

Re: Go after Bynum, Sanders and Asik.
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2013, 03:18:06 PM »

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if bynum is comin in cheap we should take a flyer at him.

I disagree.  The guy doesn't want to play.   You think he doesn't want to play at CLE and he will come here and magically want to play?   Does Lucky have fairy dust he can dump on him because it's about as likely as a fairy tale coming true.

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I want him for Wallace.  Then waive him.  It can open up tax space to use the trade exception if nothing else

This is feasible.   Expecting him to play with no knees is not.

Re: Go after Bynum, Sanders and Asik.
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2013, 03:44:56 PM »

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I think it's worth the risk.  Seriously, what do we have to lose?
He could infect the currently awesome chemistry and competitiveness of the team.  He could make us win more games in a year where it may not be a good idea to do that. 

I'm pretty sure with his attitude and knees that he is not going to be a great player for several more years.  Why invest in a short term answer and take minutes away from a younger/healthier player who could be a part of a future core?

I understand why a title contender might want to have him for a couple years, but not a team like the Celtics.

Hmmmm....I must be new. I had no idea that now, losing is the way to go. Right on! I'll be over here cheering for my team to acquire good players and try to win games and championships.

As for the chemistry issue....this isn't Love Connection. This is sports.

Re: Go after Bynum, Sanders and Asik.
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2013, 03:51:10 PM »

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Funny... just over a year ago some people here were passionately arguing that Bynum was the best big in the league.  Several of the folks here said he was superior to Dwight HOward.  He's only 26 years old. He's played roughly the same amount of games as Rondo since 2011.  Bynum is healthier and younger than Rondo... and fully healthy he's a force you could build a team around.   

  Raise your hand if you think Bynum's going to be healthier than Rondo going forward, or even if you think he has been in the past. He's had 1 season in his 9 year career where he was a force and his team took advantage of that to unload him.

Just sayin... right now, Bynum is technically healthier.  Rondo says he's not playing for at least a month... and for all we know, he's going to sit out the rest of the season.   Andrew Bynum is certainly not 100%, but the dude is starting games, playing minutes... and at times he's dominating. 

Bynum has proved he can still play the game of basketball.   Rondo hasn't done that yet ;)

Headin forward... who knows.  Maybe Bynum takes his money and does something else with his life.  Maybe he just hates playing for a garbage coaching staff in a garbage town.  There's a few trades I'd be willing to do that involve Bynum coming to Boston. 

Wallace for Bynum = absolutely a no brainer.  No way Cavs do that.

Humph for Bynum = I don't really see the point.  If we did that trade, I don't think I'd want to just cut Bynum immediately.  Hang onto him until summer.  The awesome thing about Bynum's contract is that you could trade his 12 mil in the summer and the team that gets him can instantly cut him for instant cap space.  That could be a MASSIVE trade chip.  Don't see the point for the Cavs

Bass/Lee for Bynum = I'd do this one too.  Bass/Lee are average role players eating into our cap.  I'd be willing to trade them for Bynum if the Cavs want a couple average role players to eat into their cap instead. 

Fact is... if Bynum is healthy enough to play games and feels like going out there, he's probably a more "impact" player than Asik.  Bynum averaged 15 points, 9 boards and 2 blocks per 36 minutes this year.  That's someone who isn't completely washed up.

Bynum played over 25 minutes only 4 times this season (all within the last month).

30 minutes - 20 points, 10 rebounds, 5 blocks 3 assists, 57%
27 minutes - 20 points, 13 rebounds, 2 blocks, 2 assists, 64%
27 minutes - 13 points, 9 rebounds, 2 assists, 50%
27 minutes - 19 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists, 60%

... Can he ever play those kind of minutes consistently without pain?  I don't know.  But he's 26 years old... and the above basically proves he can still be a force in this league if he gets healthier.
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Re: Go after Bynum, Sanders and Asik.
« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2013, 04:10:42 PM »

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Btw... OP's original thread premise is ridiculous.  You wouldn't trade for all 3.   

But individually, I'd be fine with trading for either one of those guys if the price was right.

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« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2013, 04:10:51 PM »

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Re: Go after Bynum, Sanders and Asik.
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