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Re: I think we are two all-nba team players away from a champion
« Reply #45 on: January 01, 2014, 11:24:16 AM »

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Isn't every team two all-nba team players away?

yes, except the knicks. with their owner, GM, and coach they need more than merely two all time great players...besides, melo wouldnt share the ball with them anyway.  ;D
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Re: I think we are two all-nba team players away from a champion
« Reply #46 on: January 02, 2014, 03:50:59 AM »

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Can we add Love in the offseason?  What type of team would we have to have in place to attract him to Boston?  Sadly, Boston typically doesn't attract big name free agents.

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« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2014, 04:18:02 AM »

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Can we add Love in the offseason?  What type of team would we have to have in place to attract him to Boston?  Sadly, Boston typically doesn't attract big name free agents.
We don't have cap space this offseason and Love isn't a free agent this offseason.  So in short... no.

But theoretically if Love demanded a trade this summer... gave a short list of teams that included Boston, and Minny decided they were going to sell him for pennies on the dollar before losing him for nothing in 1 season... then maybe you could get him.  But the trade would probably be something like Sully + Oly + a huge expiring contract + both 2014 picks + probably a couple more 1st rounders (Clippers 2015 and one of the Nets picks)

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« Reply #48 on: January 02, 2014, 06:35:49 AM »

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Can we add Love in the offseason?  What type of team would we have to have in place to attract him to Boston?  Sadly, Boston typically doesn't attract big name free agents.
We don't have cap space this offseason and Love isn't a free agent this offseason.  So in short... no.

But theoretically if Love demanded a trade this summer... gave a short list of teams that included Boston, and Minny decided they were going to sell him for pennies on the dollar before losing him for nothing in 1 season... then maybe you could get him.  But the trade would probably be something like Sully + Oly + a huge expiring contract + both 2014 picks + probably a couple more 1st rounders (Clippers 2015 and one of the Nets picks)

  Sully and 3 draft picks isn't pennies on the dollar. It's at least comparable to what we gave them for KG.

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« Reply #49 on: January 02, 2014, 08:07:05 AM »

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Can we add Love in the offseason?  What type of team would we have to have in place to attract him to Boston?  Sadly, Boston typically doesn't attract big name free agents.
We don't have cap space this offseason and Love isn't a free agent this offseason.  So in short... no.

But theoretically if Love demanded a trade this summer... gave a short list of teams that included Boston, and Minny decided they were going to sell him for pennies on the dollar before losing him for nothing in 1 season... then maybe you could get him.  But the trade would probably be something like Sully + Oly + a huge expiring contract + both 2014 picks + probably a couple more 1st rounders (Clippers 2015 and one of the Nets picks)

  Sully and 3 draft picks isn't pennies on the dollar. It's at least comparable to what we gave them for KG.
That is what I was thinking and it was Sully, olynyk, and 4 first round picks, plus expiring contracts (which means Bass and Bogans).  I mean that is a deal I wouldn't even do for Love, just too many assets given up.  Pennies on the dollar is basically the two 2015 draft picks and Olynyk.
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« Reply #50 on: January 02, 2014, 09:24:01 AM »

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Can we add Love in the offseason?  What type of team would we have to have in place to attract him to Boston?  Sadly, Boston typically doesn't attract big name free agents.
We don't have cap space this offseason and Love isn't a free agent this offseason.  So in short... no.

But theoretically if Love demanded a trade this summer... gave a short list of teams that included Boston, and Minny decided they were going to sell him for pennies on the dollar before losing him for nothing in 1 season... then maybe you could get him.  But the trade would probably be something like Sully + Oly + a huge expiring contract + both 2014 picks + probably a couple more 1st rounders (Clippers 2015 and one of the Nets picks)

  Sully and 3 draft picks isn't pennies on the dollar. It's at least comparable to what we gave them for KG.
It's less than what we gave them for KG. For KG, we gave them Jefferson, Green, Gomes, Telfair, Ratliff's expiring deal, plus cash. A comparable offer from our current roster would be Sullinger, Bradley, Bass, Brooks, and Humphries.
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« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2014, 09:34:21 AM »

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Re: I think we are two all-nba team players away from a champion
« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2014, 09:55:07 AM »

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Can we add Love in the offseason?  What type of team would we have to have in place to attract him to Boston?  Sadly, Boston typically doesn't attract big name free agents.
We don't have cap space this offseason and Love isn't a free agent this offseason.  So in short... no.

But theoretically if Love demanded a trade this summer... gave a short list of teams that included Boston, and Minny decided they were going to sell him for pennies on the dollar before losing him for nothing in 1 season... then maybe you could get him.  But the trade would probably be something like Sully + Oly + a huge expiring contract + both 2014 picks + probably a couple more 1st rounders (Clippers 2015 and one of the Nets picks)

  Sully and 3 draft picks isn't pennies on the dollar. It's at least comparable to what we gave them for KG.
It's less than what we gave them for KG. For KG, we gave them Jefferson, Green, Gomes, Telfair, Ratliff's expiring deal, plus cash. A comparable offer from our current roster would be Sullinger, Bradley, Bass, Brooks, and Humphries.
Um that is basically what the trade was except Olynyk instead of Bradley and 4 first round picks instead of 2.  In other words more than what we gave up for KG, by a lot.  Now granted Love is younger than KG was, but he is a not a better player.
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« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2014, 09:56:11 AM »

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Can we add Love in the offseason?  What type of team would we have to have in place to attract him to Boston?  Sadly, Boston typically doesn't attract big name free agents.
We don't have cap space this offseason and Love isn't a free agent this offseason.  So in short... no.

But theoretically if Love demanded a trade this summer... gave a short list of teams that included Boston, and Minny decided they were going to sell him for pennies on the dollar before losing him for nothing in 1 season... then maybe you could get him.  But the trade would probably be something like Sully + Oly + a huge expiring contract + both 2014 picks + probably a couple more 1st rounders (Clippers 2015 and one of the Nets picks)

  Sully and 3 draft picks isn't pennies on the dollar. It's at least comparable to what we gave them for KG.
It's less than what we gave them for KG. For KG, we gave them Jefferson, Green, Gomes, Telfair, Ratliff's expiring deal, plus cash. A comparable offer from our current roster would be Sullinger, Bradley, Bass, Brooks, and Humphries.

yea, we definitely gave more talent and assets for KG in the summer of 2007.

Sully and 3 1st for Love is pretty fair in my opinion. Love now, isn't the same caliber as KG was that year.

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« Reply #54 on: January 02, 2014, 10:02:25 AM »

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Can we add Love in the offseason?  What type of team would we have to have in place to attract him to Boston?  Sadly, Boston typically doesn't attract big name free agents.
We don't have cap space this offseason and Love isn't a free agent this offseason.  So in short... no.

But theoretically if Love demanded a trade this summer... gave a short list of teams that included Boston, and Minny decided they were going to sell him for pennies on the dollar before losing him for nothing in 1 season... then maybe you could get him.  But the trade would probably be something like Sully + Oly + a huge expiring contract + both 2014 picks + probably a couple more 1st rounders (Clippers 2015 and one of the Nets picks)

  Sully and 3 draft picks isn't pennies on the dollar. It's at least comparable to what we gave them for KG.
It's less than what we gave them for KG. For KG, we gave them Jefferson, Green, Gomes, Telfair, Ratliff's expiring deal, plus cash. A comparable offer from our current roster would be Sullinger, Bradley, Bass, Brooks, and Humphries.

yea, we definitely gave more talent and assets for KG in the summer of 2007.

Sully and 3 1st for Love is pretty fair in my opinion. Love now, isn't the same caliber as KG was that year.
This is also true -- but Sullinger isn't the level of Al Jefferson either, and  has a red flag re: his back.

I'd much rather keep the first rounders either way, not convinced Love can provide the basic level of defense that's required from an NBA big these days.
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« Reply #55 on: January 02, 2014, 10:06:28 AM »

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Can we add Love in the offseason?  What type of team would we have to have in place to attract him to Boston?  Sadly, Boston typically doesn't attract big name free agents.
We don't have cap space this offseason and Love isn't a free agent this offseason.  So in short... no.

But theoretically if Love demanded a trade this summer... gave a short list of teams that included Boston, and Minny decided they were going to sell him for pennies on the dollar before losing him for nothing in 1 season... then maybe you could get him.  But the trade would probably be something like Sully + Oly + a huge expiring contract + both 2014 picks + probably a couple more 1st rounders (Clippers 2015 and one of the Nets picks)

  Sully and 3 draft picks isn't pennies on the dollar. It's at least comparable to what we gave them for KG.
It's less than what we gave them for KG. For KG, we gave them Jefferson, Green, Gomes, Telfair, Ratliff's expiring deal, plus cash. A comparable offer from our current roster would be Sullinger, Bradley, Bass, Brooks, and Humphries.

  We traded Jefferson, filler and draft picks for KG. Bradley, Bass and Humphries are all better than anyone besides Al in that trade.

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« Reply #56 on: January 02, 2014, 10:31:36 AM »

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Can we add Love in the offseason?  What type of team would we have to have in place to attract him to Boston?  Sadly, Boston typically doesn't attract big name free agents.
We don't have cap space this offseason and Love isn't a free agent this offseason.  So in short... no.

But theoretically if Love demanded a trade this summer... gave a short list of teams that included Boston, and Minny decided they were going to sell him for pennies on the dollar before losing him for nothing in 1 season... then maybe you could get him.  But the trade would probably be something like Sully + Oly + a huge expiring contract + both 2014 picks + probably a couple more 1st rounders (Clippers 2015 and one of the Nets picks)

  Sully and 3 draft picks isn't pennies on the dollar. It's at least comparable to what we gave them for KG.
It's less than what we gave them for KG. For KG, we gave them Jefferson, Green, Gomes, Telfair, Ratliff's expiring deal, plus cash. A comparable offer from our current roster would be Sullinger, Bradley, Bass, Brooks, and Humphries.

  We traded Jefferson, filler and draft picks for KG. Bradley, Bass and Humphries are all better than anyone besides Al in that trade.
Um, sorry -- Green was a highly touted, if risky, prospect at the time (he showed some flashes but ultimately didn't pan out), and Gomes had come off a season where he started 60 games and averaged 12 ppg / 6 rpg. I'd say they're exactly equivalent to Bradley and Bass.
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« Reply #57 on: January 02, 2014, 10:36:07 AM »

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Can we add Love in the offseason?  What type of team would we have to have in place to attract him to Boston?  Sadly, Boston typically doesn't attract big name free agents.
We don't have cap space this offseason and Love isn't a free agent this offseason.  So in short... no.

But theoretically if Love demanded a trade this summer... gave a short list of teams that included Boston, and Minny decided they were going to sell him for pennies on the dollar before losing him for nothing in 1 season... then maybe you could get him.  But the trade would probably be something like Sully + Oly + a huge expiring contract + both 2014 picks + probably a couple more 1st rounders (Clippers 2015 and one of the Nets picks)

  Sully and 3 draft picks isn't pennies on the dollar. It's at least comparable to what we gave them for KG.
It's less than what we gave them for KG. For KG, we gave them Jefferson, Green, Gomes, Telfair, Ratliff's expiring deal, plus cash. A comparable offer from our current roster would be Sullinger, Bradley, Bass, Brooks, and Humphries.

  We traded Jefferson, filler and draft picks for KG. Bradley, Bass and Humphries are all better than anyone besides Al in that trade.
Um, sorry -- Green was a highly touted, if risky, prospect at the time (he showed some flashes but ultimately didn't pan out), and Gomes had come off a season where he started 60 games and averaged 12 ppg / 6 rpg. I'd say they're exactly equivalent to Bradley and Bass.

I agree, Bass and Bradley are pretty equal to what Gerald Green and Ryan Gomes were at the time of the KG deal. Al Jefferson is pretty equal to Sullinger now. The major difference is that now we have a bunch of draft picks, a trade exception, and Humps expiring contract as well as Olynyk to use. We have much more than we did in 2007 when we landed Ray and KG. If the opportunities come up, there are very few teams that can match our arsenal of assets in pursuing all-star players. The other part of the equation though is that the all-star players have a major say in where they want to end up in such situations.

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« Reply #58 on: January 02, 2014, 10:41:40 AM »

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The major difference is that now we have a bunch of draft picks, a trade exception, and Humps expiring contract as well as Olynyk to use. We have much more than we did in 2007 when we landed Ray and KG.
Humph's contract = Ratliff's  contract. We do have more picks, though none of them may end up being as high as the 5th pick we had in 2007. Although, some GMs still go for quantity over quality, so who knows.
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« Reply #59 on: January 02, 2014, 10:47:57 AM »

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The major difference is that now we have a bunch of draft picks, a trade exception, and Humps expiring contract as well as Olynyk to use. We have much more than we did in 2007 when we landed Ray and KG.
Humph's contract = Ratliff's  contract. We do have more picks, though none of them may end up being as high as the 5th pick we had in 2007. Although, some GMs still go for quantity over quality, so who knows.

Yep, that's right, I forgot about Ratliff's contract. The 5th pick I see as similar to our 2014 1st in a supposedly historic draft, and imo all the Nets picks in the following years are likely lottery picks. Olynyk and the 10 million dollar trade exception are also solid assets. I still can't discount the factor that all-star level players and their agents play a big role in deciding their destinations though, but we are in great shape to move in any direction depending on what opportunities come up. We can also keep the Nets picks and basically end up in the lottery 3 times without tanking ourselves.