I think we are two all-nba team players away from a champion

[BballTim]

Can we add Love in the offseason?  What type of team would we have to have in place to attract him to Boston?  Sadly, Boston typically doesn't attract big name free agents.

We don't have cap space this offseason and Love isn't a free agent this offseason.  So in short... no.

But theoretically if Love demanded a trade this summer... gave a short list of teams that included Boston, and Minny decided they were going to sell him for pennies on the dollar before losing him for nothing in 1 season... then maybe you could get him.  But the trade would probably be something like Sully + Oly + a huge expiring contract + both 2014 picks + probably a couple more 1st rounders (Clippers 2015 and one of the Nets picks)

  Sully and 3 draft picks isn't pennies on the dollar. It's at least comparable to what we gave them for KG.

It's less than what we gave them for KG. For KG, we gave them Jefferson, Green, Gomes, Telfair, Ratliff's expiring deal, plus cash. A comparable offer from our current roster would be Sullinger, Bradley, Bass, Brooks, and Humphries.

  We traded Jefferson, filler and draft picks for KG. Bradley, Bass and Humphries are all better than anyone besides Al in that trade.

Um, sorry -- Green was a highly touted, if risky, prospect at the time (he showed some flashes but ultimately didn't pan out), and Gomes had come off a season where he started 60 games and averaged 12 ppg / 6 rpg. I'd say they're exactly equivalent to Bradley and Bass.

  Green was pretty much past the "highly touted prospect" stage when he was traded, and Gomes was a starter mainly due to injuries. They weren't starter material.

[kozlodoev]

Green was pretty much past the "highly touted prospect" stage when he was traded, and Gomes was a starter mainly due to injuries. They weren't starter material.

Green had just finished his sophomore year, which was the first time he got nontrivial playing time. Perhaps Celtics fans had come to their senses (I certainly didn't expect him to be much of a player), but he still had value around the league. And even if Bradley is arguably a better player right now than Green would ever be (provided his performance lasts through the season), I don't view Sullinger as Jefferson's equal.

As for why Gomes was a starter -- plenty here view Bass as a prototypical backup PF anyhow, and Bass and Gomes were pretty similar in their primes. They're the same player.

[hpantazo]

Green was pretty much past the "highly touted prospect" stage when he was traded, and Gomes was a starter mainly due to injuries. They weren't starter material.

Green had just finished his sophomore year, which was the first time he got nontrivial playing time. Perhaps Celtics fans had come to their senses (I certainly didn't expect him to be much of a player), but he still had value around the league. And even if Bradley is arguably a better player right now than Green would ever be (provided his performance lasts through the season), I don't view Sullinger as Jefferson's equal.

As for why Gomes was a starter -- plenty here view Bass as a prototypical backup PF anyhow, and Bass and Gomes were pretty similar in their primes. They're the same player.

In many ways Gerald Green at that time was less exposed as a bust than Bradley is now. Green's lack of playing time and his sport center highlight dunks from his short minutes kept up the interest in his potential, whereas Bradley has played a ton of minutes and it's pretty clear he is what he is at this point, and undersized SG with terrible ball handling and passing skills who excels only at pressuring the ball.

[EJPLAYA]

Isn't EVERY team in the league basically two all-nba players away?! There might be a handful that this isn't true of, but not many…

[BballTim]

Green was pretty much past the "highly touted prospect" stage when he was traded, and Gomes was a starter mainly due to injuries. They weren't starter material.

Green had just finished his sophomore year, which was the first time he got nontrivial playing time. Perhaps Celtics fans had come to their senses (I certainly didn't expect him to be much of a player), but he still had value around the league. And even if Bradley is arguably a better player right now than Green would ever be (provided his performance lasts through the season), I don't view Sullinger as Jefferson's equal.

As for why Gomes was a starter -- plenty here view Bass as a prototypical backup PF anyhow, and Bass and Gomes were pretty similar in their primes. They're the same player.

  Gomes' best year would be a typical year for Bass. Bass is the better scorer, rebounder and defender. Green wasn't as good as any of the players I mentioned either.

  I don't think Sully is quite Al's equal but he isn't tremendously worse. His back is an issue but otoh there were tons of posts about how we needed to trade Al because he had "glass ankles". And the proposed trade iirc contains more draft picks to boot.

[BballTim]

Green was pretty much past the "highly touted prospect" stage when he was traded, and Gomes was a starter mainly due to injuries. They weren't starter material.

Green had just finished his sophomore year, which was the first time he got nontrivial playing time. Perhaps Celtics fans had come to their senses (I certainly didn't expect him to be much of a player), but he still had value around the league. And even if Bradley is arguably a better player right now than Green would ever be (provided his performance lasts through the season), I don't view Sullinger as Jefferson's equal.

As for why Gomes was a starter -- plenty here view Bass as a prototypical backup PF anyhow, and Bass and Gomes were pretty similar in their primes. They're the same player.

In many ways Gerald Green at that time was less exposed as a bust than Bradley is now. Green's lack of playing time and his sport center highlight dunks from his short minutes kept up the interest in his potential, whereas Bradley has played a ton of minutes and it's pretty clear he is what he is at this point, and undersized SG with terrible ball handling and passing skills who excels only at pressuring the ball.

  Green was a bust, Bradley isn't.

[hpantazo]

Green was pretty much past the "highly touted prospect" stage when he was traded, and Gomes was a starter mainly due to injuries. They weren't starter material.

Green had just finished his sophomore year, which was the first time he got nontrivial playing time. Perhaps Celtics fans had come to their senses (I certainly didn't expect him to be much of a player), but he still had value around the league. And even if Bradley is arguably a better player right now than Green would ever be (provided his performance lasts through the season), I don't view Sullinger as Jefferson's equal.

As for why Gomes was a starter -- plenty here view Bass as a prototypical backup PF anyhow, and Bass and Gomes were pretty similar in their primes. They're the same player.

In many ways Gerald Green at that time was less exposed as a bust than Bradley is now. Green's lack of playing time and his sport center highlight dunks from his short minutes kept up the interest in his potential, whereas Bradley has played a ton of minutes and it's pretty clear he is what he is at this point, and undersized SG with terrible ball handling and passing skills who excels only at pressuring the ball.

  Green was a bust, Bradley isn't.

Right now, Gerald Green on the Suns, a better team than the celtics and a legit playoff team in the West, looks better than Bradley does, and their average stats look identical:

Bradley: 13.8 points, 4.2 rbs, 1.3 assists, 38% 3pt shooter, 45% FG shooter

Green:   13.2 points, 2.9 rbs, 1.4 assists, 39% 3pt shooter, 44% FG shooter

Anyway, Green was not at all considered a bust when we traded him to the T-wolves, his flaws were hidden enough, unlike Bradley who's flaws are very evident.

[hwangjini_1]

Green was pretty much past the "highly touted prospect" stage when he was traded, and Gomes was a starter mainly due to injuries. They weren't starter material.

Green had just finished his sophomore year, which was the first time he got nontrivial playing time. Perhaps Celtics fans had come to their senses (I certainly didn't expect him to be much of a player), but he still had value around the league. And even if Bradley is arguably a better player right now than Green would ever be (provided his performance lasts through the season), I don't view Sullinger as Jefferson's equal.

As for why Gomes was a starter -- plenty here view Bass as a prototypical backup PF anyhow, and Bass and Gomes were pretty similar in their primes. They're the same player.

In many ways Gerald Green at that time was less exposed as a bust than Bradley is now. Green's lack of playing time and his sport center highlight dunks from his short minutes kept up the interest in his potential, whereas Bradley has played a ton of minutes and it's pretty clear he is what he is at this point, and undersized SG with terrible ball handling and passing skills who excels only at pressuring the ball.

  Green was a bust, Bradley isn't.

Right now, Gerald Green on the Suns, a better team than the celtics and a legit playoff team in the West, looks better than Bradley does, and their average stats look identical:

Bradley: 13.8 points, 4.2 rbs, 1.3 assists, 38% 3pt shooter, 45% FG shooter

Green:   13.2 points, 2.9 rbs, 1.4 assists, 39% 3pt shooter, 44% FG shooter

Anyway, Green was not at all considered a bust when we traded him to the T-wolves, his flaws were hidden enough, unlike Bradley who's flaws are very evident.

are we really comparing bradley and green? ok, let's go to it.

in comparing green and bradley, why include team w/l as an indicator of their individual stats/ability? would you say bradley, based on those stats, is better than green should the celtics have a better w/l record? let's keep oranges and oranges together here.

first in comparing these two players, it might be informative to factor in their ages and nba time. how many years has green been in the nba compared to bradley? (hint:7 to 4) their ages are  23 for bradley and 27 for green. when viewing the bradley/green stats above this makes a difference in evaluating the players performance.

for example, in his 4th year, green averaged 5.2 points and 1.4 rbs. maybe we should compare them year by year to gauge levels of development and performance?

green's shtick/calling card is offense. it is pretty much all he does, and it took him 7 years to reach the level you give above. yet, bradley who is clearly a defense-first player matches roughly green's output on offense after 4 years. 

next...what about defense? can we factor that into our comparison as well? if we do, i think bradley pulls ahead easily, while having roughly comparable offensive stats at a younger age than green.

bonus point time!... and just for fun, let's discuss how a 6'2" sg (that's bradley for those of you keeping score at home) rebounds versus a sg/sf who is 6'8" (and yes, that means green.)

drum roll please..... green = 2.9 rbs/game versus bradley's 4.2 rbs/game.

[SHAQATTACK]

All we need is King James and its off to playoffs we go......

[BballTim]

Green was pretty much past the "highly touted prospect" stage when he was traded, and Gomes was a starter mainly due to injuries. They weren't starter material.

Green had just finished his sophomore year, which was the first time he got nontrivial playing time. Perhaps Celtics fans had come to their senses (I certainly didn't expect him to be much of a player), but he still had value around the league. And even if Bradley is arguably a better player right now than Green would ever be (provided his performance lasts through the season), I don't view Sullinger as Jefferson's equal.

As for why Gomes was a starter -- plenty here view Bass as a prototypical backup PF anyhow, and Bass and Gomes were pretty similar in their primes. They're the same player.

In many ways Gerald Green at that time was less exposed as a bust than Bradley is now. Green's lack of playing time and his sport center highlight dunks from his short minutes kept up the interest in his potential, whereas Bradley has played a ton of minutes and it's pretty clear he is what he is at this point, and undersized SG with terrible ball handling and passing skills who excels only at pressuring the ball.

  Green was a bust, Bradley isn't.

Right now, Gerald Green on the Suns, a better team than the celtics and a legit playoff team in the West, looks better than Bradley does, and their average stats look identical:

Bradley: 13.8 points, 4.2 rbs, 1.3 assists, 38% 3pt shooter, 45% FG shooter

Green:   13.2 points, 2.9 rbs, 1.4 assists, 39% 3pt shooter, 44% FG shooter

Anyway, Green was not at all considered a bust when we traded him to the T-wolves, his flaws were hidden enough, unlike Bradley who's flaws are very evident.

   Green was on 4 teams in 4 years and then out of the nba for about 3 seasons. His flaws may have been hidden to you but not to everyone. People are talking about how much Bradley will make in his next contract, when Green was at that stage of his career people were discussing whether he had a future in the league or not. He's also not really a threat to make any all-defense teams, which is worth considering if you're comparing the two players.

[Neurotic Guy]

Green was pretty much past the "highly touted prospect" stage when he was traded, and Gomes was a starter mainly due to injuries. They weren't starter material.

Green had just finished his sophomore year, which was the first time he got nontrivial playing time. Perhaps Celtics fans had come to their senses (I certainly didn't expect him to be much of a player), but he still had value around the league. And even if Bradley is arguably a better player right now than Green would ever be (provided his performance lasts through the season), I don't view Sullinger as Jefferson's equal.

As for why Gomes was a starter -- plenty here view Bass as a prototypical backup PF anyhow, and Bass and Gomes were pretty similar in their primes. They're the same player.

In many ways Gerald Green at that time was less exposed as a bust than Bradley is now. Green's lack of playing time and his sport center highlight dunks from his short minutes kept up the interest in his potential, whereas Bradley has played a ton of minutes and it's pretty clear he is what he is at this point, and undersized SG with terrible ball handling and passing skills who excels only at pressuring the ball.

  Green was a bust, Bradley isn't.

Right now, Gerald Green on the Suns, a better team than the celtics and a legit playoff team in the West, looks better than Bradley does, and their average stats look identical:

Bradley: 13.8 points, 4.2 rbs, 1.3 assists, 38% 3pt shooter, 45% FG shooter

Green:   13.2 points, 2.9 rbs, 1.4 assists, 39% 3pt shooter, 44% FG shooter

Anyway, Green was not at all considered a bust when we traded him to the T-wolves, his flaws were hidden enough, unlike Bradley who's flaws are very evident.

are we really comparing bradley and green? ok, let's go to it.

in comparing green and bradley, why include team w/l as an indicator of their individual stats/ability? would you say bradley, based on those stats, is better than green should the celtics have a better w/l record? let's keep oranges and oranges together here.

first in comparing these two players, it might be informative to factor in their ages and nba time. how many years has green been in the nba compared to bradley? (hint:7 to 4) their ages are  23 for bradley and 27 for green. when viewing the bradley/green stats above this makes a difference in evaluating the players performance.

for example, in his 4th year, green averaged 5.2 points and 1.4 rbs. maybe we should compare them year by year to gauge levels of development and performance?

green's shtick/calling card is offense. it is pretty much all he does, and it took him 7 years to reach the level you give above. yet, bradley who is clearly a defense-first player matches roughly green's output on offense after 4 years. 

next...what about defense? can we factor that into our comparison as well? if we do, i think bradley pulls ahead easily, while having roughly comparable offensive stats at a younger age than green.

bonus point time!... and just for fun, let's discuss how a 6'2" sg (that's bradley for those of you keeping score at home) rebounds versus a sg/sf who is 6'8" (and yes, that means green.)

drum roll please..... green = 2.9 rbs/game versus bradley's 4.2 rbs/game.

Very convincing.  To add a small bit of fuel to your argument, Green is actually 28 and this is his 9th season.
 
Bradley is easily out-playing Green career-wise to this point.

[manl_lui]

Green was pretty much past the "highly touted prospect" stage when he was traded, and Gomes was a starter mainly due to injuries. They weren't starter material.

Green had just finished his sophomore year, which was the first time he got nontrivial playing time. Perhaps Celtics fans had come to their senses (I certainly didn't expect him to be much of a player), but he still had value around the league. And even if Bradley is arguably a better player right now than Green would ever be (provided his performance lasts through the season), I don't view Sullinger as Jefferson's equal.

As for why Gomes was a starter -- plenty here view Bass as a prototypical backup PF anyhow, and Bass and Gomes were pretty similar in their primes. They're the same player.

In many ways Gerald Green at that time was less exposed as a bust than Bradley is now. Green's lack of playing time and his sport center highlight dunks from his short minutes kept up the interest in his potential, whereas Bradley has played a ton of minutes and it's pretty clear he is what he is at this point, and undersized SG with terrible ball handling and passing skills who excels only at pressuring the ball.

  Green was a bust, Bradley isn't.

Right now, Gerald Green on the Suns, a better team than the celtics and a legit playoff team in the West, looks better than Bradley does, and their average stats look identical:

Bradley: 13.8 points, 4.2 rbs, 1.3 assists, 38% 3pt shooter, 45% FG shooter

Green:   13.2 points, 2.9 rbs, 1.4 assists, 39% 3pt shooter, 44% FG shooter

Anyway, Green was not at all considered a bust when we traded him to the T-wolves, his flaws were hidden enough, unlike Bradley who's flaws are very evident.

are we really comparing bradley and green? ok, let's go to it.

in comparing green and bradley, why include team w/l as an indicator of their individual stats/ability? would you say bradley, based on those stats, is better than green should the celtics have a better w/l record? let's keep oranges and oranges together here.

first in comparing these two players, it might be informative to factor in their ages and nba time. how many years has green been in the nba compared to bradley? (hint:7 to 4) their ages are  23 for bradley and 27 for green. when viewing the bradley/green stats above this makes a difference in evaluating the players performance.

for example, in his 4th year, green averaged 5.2 points and 1.4 rbs. maybe we should compare them year by year to gauge levels of development and performance?

green's shtick/calling card is offense. it is pretty much all he does, and it took him 7 years to reach the level you give above. yet, bradley who is clearly a defense-first player matches roughly green's output on offense after 4 years. 

next...what about defense? can we factor that into our comparison as well? if we do, i think bradley pulls ahead easily, while having roughly comparable offensive stats at a younger age than green.

bonus point time!... and just for fun, let's discuss how a 6'2" sg (that's bradley for those of you keeping score at home) rebounds versus a sg/sf who is 6'8" (and yes, that means green.)

drum roll please..... green = 2.9 rbs/game versus bradley's 4.2 rbs/game.

Very convincing.  To add a small bit of fuel to your argument, Green is actually 28 and this is his 9th season.
 
Bradley is easily out-playing Green career-wise to this point.

this is Green's 9th season? Could've sworn he was drafted in 07, which makes this his 7th season.

But I do agree that Bradley is certainly doing better career wise vs Green in his 4th year. Offense yes, but he definitely beats Green by a landslide in terms of defense.

[kozlodoev]

this is Green's 9th season? Could've sworn he was drafted in 07, which makes this his 7th season.

But I do agree that Bradley is certainly doing better career wise vs Green in his 4th year. Offense yes, but he definitely beats Green by a landslide in terms of defense.

Green was drafted in '05.

Regardless, comparing his current production to Bradley's current production is a bit silly. In his third season, Green barely got off the bench of a horrible Timberwolves team, and shot less than .350 from the field.

[manl_lui]

this is Green's 9th season? Could've sworn he was drafted in 07, which makes this his 7th season.

But I do agree that Bradley is certainly doing better career wise vs Green in his 4th year. Offense yes, but he definitely beats Green by a landslide in terms of defense.

Green was drafted in '05.

Regardless, comparing his current production to Bradley's current production is a bit silly. In his third season, Green barely got off the bench of a horrible Timberwolves team, and shot less than .350 from the field.

OOOO So sorry, I was totally thinking Jeff Green. Now I know you're talking about Gerald Green

sorry about the confusion :-p

[More Banners]

Started this idea elsewhere, but...

Could we bring in Pau Gasol and Granger (and hopefully Asik) and make a run for the heck of it?

Rondo/Crawford/Pressey
Lee/Brooks
Granger/Lee/Player X
Gasol/Sully
Asik/KO/Vitor

Hump, Wallace, 1st for Gasol

Green, Bogans, 1st for Granger

Bass, Bradley, 1st for Asik (what the heck)

A title?  Anything is possible.