My asik trade idea :D

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lg8s97r

HOU gives us Asik and they get Bass and Shumpert plus a pick

Knicks give up and and want to be the new Boston celtics lol and trade shump and melo and get crawford green and Hump and a GOOD pick or 2. Gives them a huge expiring and 2 solid players and some picks.

Boston gives up crawford, bass, green, hump and picks. The picks will hurt to lose as well as the green ironman and crawfish but rebuild complete for a few years and hopefully we can hang on to nets 2017 pick....when carmelo fizzes out prly lol

lineup: rondo, bradley, melo, sully, asik
bench: pressy, lee, brooks, KO, Fav, wallace

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I really just don't get how anyone could think a Melo trade would go down without someone like Sullinger being involved.  KG didn't get done without Al Jefferson, Melo didn't get done without Gallinari, Chris Paul didn't get done without Eric Gordon.

The Knicks probably aren't trading away their best player to "rebuild" with a 27-year-old Jeff Green and Jordan Crawford.  It's just not likely to happen.

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I really just don't get how anyone could think a Melo trade would go down without someone like Sullinger being involved.  KG didn't get done without Al Jefferson, Melo didn't get done without Gallinari, Chris Paul didn't get done without Eric Gordon.

The Knicks probably aren't trading away their best player to "rebuild" with a 27-year-old Jeff Green and Jordan Crawford.  It's just not likely to happen.

And thats where the picks come in give Houston one of the two we have this year and give knicks the other PLUS give the knicks one of the future nets picks....Melo could easily  walk away and the knicks would have nothing........absolutely nothing but peace

[Endless Paradise]

I really just don't get how anyone could think a Melo trade would go down without someone like Sullinger being involved.  KG didn't get done without Al Jefferson, Melo didn't get done without Gallinari, Chris Paul didn't get done without Eric Gordon.

The Knicks probably aren't trading away their best player to "rebuild" with a 27-year-old Jeff Green and Jordan Crawford.  It's just not likely to happen.

And thats where the picks come in give Houston one of the two we have this year and give knicks the other PLUS give the knicks one of the future nets picks....Melo could easily  walk away and the knicks would have nothing........absolutely nothing but peace

The whole "walking away without getting anything" angle applied when Melo was traded from Denver, Dwight got traded from Orlando, and CP3 got traded from New Orleans - yet those teams still got back really promising, young prospects.  I guarantee you that if the Knicks made Melo available, Boston would be far from the only team in the running, so there's no way the Celtics would get away with lowballing the Knicks when other teams would certainly field better offers.

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I really just don't get how anyone could think a Melo trade would go down without someone like Sullinger being involved.  KG didn't get done without Al Jefferson, Melo didn't get done without Gallinari, Chris Paul didn't get done without Eric Gordon.

The Knicks probably aren't trading away their best player to "rebuild" with a 27-year-old Jeff Green and Jordan Crawford.  It's just not likely to happen.

And thats where the picks come in give Houston one of the two we have this year and give knicks the other PLUS give the knicks one of the future nets picks....Melo could easily  walk away and the knicks would have nothing........absolutely nothing but peace

The whole "walking away without getting anything" angle applied when Melo was traded from Denver, Dwight got traded from Orlando, and CP3 got traded from New Orleans - yet those teams still got back really promising, young prospects.  I guarantee you that if the Knicks made Melo available, Boston would be far from the only team in the running, so there's no way the Celtics would get away with lowballing the Knicks when other teams would certainly field better offers.

I disagree I don't think green, two first rounders and a huge expiring is a low ball. Green is better than any of the talent gained by those teams u mention except for jefferson possibly but throw in 2 firsts and easily better especially if one of those is a future nets pick....then they also have an expiring at end of season....or now some good trade chips in hump craw green and picksto use this year

[Endless Paradise]

I really just don't get how anyone could think a Melo trade would go down without someone like Sullinger being involved.  KG didn't get done without Al Jefferson, Melo didn't get done without Gallinari, Chris Paul didn't get done without Eric Gordon.

The Knicks probably aren't trading away their best player to "rebuild" with a 27-year-old Jeff Green and Jordan Crawford.  It's just not likely to happen.

And thats where the picks come in give Houston one of the two we have this year and give knicks the other PLUS give the knicks one of the future nets picks....Melo could easily  walk away and the knicks would have nothing........absolutely nothing but peace

The whole "walking away without getting anything" angle applied when Melo was traded from Denver, Dwight got traded from Orlando, and CP3 got traded from New Orleans - yet those teams still got back really promising, young prospects.  I guarantee you that if the Knicks made Melo available, Boston would be far from the only team in the running, so there's no way the Celtics would get away with lowballing the Knicks when other teams would certainly field better offers.

I disagree I don't think green, two first rounders and a huge expiring is a low ball. Green is better than any of the talent gained by those teams u mention except for jefferson possibly but throw in 2 firsts and easily better especially if one of those is a future nets pick....then they also have an expiring at end of season....or now some good trade chips in hump craw green and picksto use this year

Green's not a prospect at this point; he's a complimentary player you add to a team to strengthen it.  He's not a guy you rebuild around.  Those guys I mentioned were all envisioned to have high ceilings at the time they were traded and were viewed as potential franchise pieces.

All of those trades came with multiple first rounders, too, so that's a moot point.

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I really just don't get how anyone could think a Melo trade would go down without someone like Sullinger being involved.  KG didn't get done without Al Jefferson, Melo didn't get done without Gallinari, Chris Paul didn't get done without Eric Gordon.

The Knicks probably aren't trading away their best player to "rebuild" with a 27-year-old Jeff Green and Jordan Crawford.  It's just not likely to happen.

And thats where the picks come in give Houston one of the two we have this year and give knicks the other PLUS give the knicks one of the future nets picks....Melo could easily  walk away and the knicks would have nothing........absolutely nothing but peace

The whole "walking away without getting anything" angle applied when Melo was traded from Denver, Dwight got traded from Orlando, and CP3 got traded from New Orleans - yet those teams still got back really promising, young prospects.  I guarantee you that if the Knicks made Melo available, Boston would be far from the only team in the running, so there's no way the Celtics would get away with lowballing the Knicks when other teams would certainly field better offers.

I disagree I don't think green, two first rounders and a huge expiring is a low ball. Green is better than any of the talent gained by those teams u mention except for jefferson possibly but throw in 2 firsts and easily better especially if one of those is a future nets pick....then they also have an expiring at end of season....or now some good trade chips in hump craw green and picksto use this year

Green's not a prospect at this point; he's a complimentary player you add to a team to strengthen it.  He's not a guy you rebuild around.  Those guys I mentioned were all envisioned to have high ceilings at the time they were traded and were viewed as potential franchise pieces.

All of those trades came with multiple first rounders, too, so that's a moot point.

~Chris Paul (26 yrs old) for Kaman, Gordan, Aminu and 1 first round pick (Minn 2012)

~KG (31yrs old) for Al Jefferson, Gomes and Tellafair and 2 first round picks (Minn and Bostons)

~ Melo(26 yrs old), Billups, Anthony carter, Balkman and shelden williams for  Gallo, Mozgov, Wilson Chandler and raymond felton a first round pick (knicks 2014...kinda funny lol.... and 2 2nd rnd picks)

now my idea is  Melo(29 yrs old)  and Shump for Green, Crawford, Humphries, Celtics 2014 protected first rnd pick, Nets future first round pick.  I think these picks are more valuable than any of the picks used in those trades. Also jeff green is a young 27 only been in league 5 yrs...really 4...and has a new heart!  While we are trading for an older 29 Melo...old bc he has been in league for 10 years, never averaging less than 30 mins a game for any of those 10 years....he has played a lot of minutes. I do ont think this a low ball by all means.....those other trades might be slightly better but not by much if at all.

Also, Other teams might not be as interested in Melo bc of the minutes he has played and style of play (chucker ball hog)

Ultimately....the knicks need to trade Melo and try something else....seriously where are they going now....no draft picks, slightly overrated Melo who while is pretty good ha no real help at this point, the coach is well.....i will leave that alone.... i mean they have no future except for hoping hardaway jr blossoms into Kobe and amari becomes a robot with all new parts and tyspon chandler wears a steel suit to stay healthy.

Green, hump, crawfish, and 2 first rounders is a future....they have flexibility to trade, draft, there is wiggle room........could other teams offer more....maybe but is there anybody that in love with Melo?? I assume most think the same as me......he is pretty good but has negatives chucker ball hog....he is no KG nor Chris paul thats for sure

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I really just don't get how anyone could think a Melo trade would go down without someone like Sullinger being involved.  KG didn't get done without Al Jefferson, Melo didn't get done without Gallinari, Chris Paul didn't get done without Eric Gordon.

The Knicks probably aren't trading away their best player to "rebuild" with a 27-year-old Jeff Green and Jordan Crawford.  It's just not likely to happen.

And thats where the picks come in give Houston one of the two we have this year and give knicks the other PLUS give the knicks one of the future nets picks....Melo could easily  walk away and the knicks would have nothing........absolutely nothing but peace

The whole "walking away without getting anything" angle applied when Melo was traded from Denver, Dwight got traded from Orlando, and CP3 got traded from New Orleans - yet those teams still got back really promising, young prospects.  I guarantee you that if the Knicks made Melo available, Boston would be far from the only team in the running, so there's no way the Celtics would get away with lowballing the Knicks when other teams would certainly field better offers.

I disagree I don't think green, two first rounders and a huge expiring is a low ball. Green is better than any of the talent gained by those teams u mention except for jefferson possibly but throw in 2 firsts and easily better especially if one of those is a future nets pick....then they also have an expiring at end of season....or now some good trade chips in hump craw green and picksto use this year

Green's not a prospect at this point; he's a complimentary player you add to a team to strengthen it.  He's not a guy you rebuild around.  Those guys I mentioned were all envisioned to have high ceilings at the time they were traded and were viewed as potential franchise pieces.

All of those trades came with multiple first rounders, too, so that's a moot point.

~Chris Paul (26 yrs old) for Kaman, Gordan, Aminu and 1 first round pick (Minn 2012)

~KG (31yrs old) for Al Jefferson, Gomes and Tellafair and 2 first round picks (Minn and Bostons)

~ Melo(26 yrs old), Billups, Anthony carter, Balkman and shelden williams for  Gallo, Mozgov, Wilson Chandler and raymond felton a first round pick (knicks 2014...kinda funny lol.... and 2 2nd rnd picks)

now my idea is  Melo(29 yrs old)  and Shump for Green, Crawford, Humphries, Celtics 2014 protected first rnd pick, Nets future first round pick.  I think these picks are more valuable than any of the picks used in those trades. Also jeff green is a young 27 only been in league 5 yrs...really 4...and has a new heart!  While we are trading for an older 29 Melo...old bc he has been in league for 10 years, never averaging less than 30 mins a game for any of those 10 years....he has played a lot of minutes. I do ont think this a low ball by all means.....those other trades might be slightly better but not by much if at all.

Also, Other teams might not be as interested in Melo bc of the minutes he has played and style of play (chucker ball hog)

Ultimately....the knicks need to trade Melo and try something else....seriously where are they going now....no draft picks, slightly overrated Melo who while is pretty good ha no real help at this point, the coach is well.....i will leave that alone.... i mean they have no future except for hoping hardaway jr blossoms into Kobe and amari becomes a robot with all new parts and tyspon chandler wears a steel suit to stay healthy.

Green, hump, crawfish, and 2 first rounders is a future....they have flexibility to trade, draft, there is wiggle room........could other teams offer more....maybe but is there anybody that in love with Melo?? I assume most think the same as me......he is pretty good but has negatives chucker ball hog....he is no KG nor Chris paul thats for sure

Chris Paul trade: the Minnesota draft pick was considered insanely valuable at the time (remember, it eventually turned into Anthony Davis) and it was one of the points of contention in the on-again, off-again trade talks between the Hornets and the Clippers.  The Hornets wanted both Bledsoe and the pick, but the Clippers were only willing to part with one or the other.  Gordon was still on a rookie deal, too, so with Kaman's expiring, there was tons of cap space for the Hornets to give Gordon a test run and see if he were worth committing to.

KG trade: many Celtics fans considered Jefferson untouchable; the Boston Herald ran a poll where most people shot down the idea of trading Jefferson for even Garnett.  He was just coming off a season where he averaged a double-double and was also in the last year of his rookie deal, just like Gordon.  That + Theo Ratliff's expiring = time to test drive Jefferson.

Melo trade: Gallinari and Chandler were on rookie deals, with Chandler's expiring and another year left on Gallo's.  Just like with Gordon and Jefferson, that allowed the Nuggets to play those guys and see if they had any future with the team with minimal effect on their finances.  Felton was traded in the midst of probably his best season as a professional basketball player.  Also, Denver got to dump Chauncey Billups' contract on the Knicks (which was eventually amnestied by New York), providing even more cap relief.

The deal you're proposing gives the Knicks some immediate cap relief with the contracts of Humphries and Crawford, but it doesn't give them any real guy to experiment with building around.  Green may have only been in the league since 2007, but he's still 27 years old - if he has not suddenly turned into "the guy" on this Celtics team, there's no reason for the Knicks to believe he'll be "the guy" for them.  He's a complimentary player; there's nothing wrong with that, but he's not the guy you rebuild around, particularly when he's got about $27 million owed to him and 3 years left on his contract.  I stressed those rookie deals above because: a) they're relatively cheap and b) they were expiring or soon-to-be - that's not the case with Green.  Instead, the Knicks would be financially committed to a 27-year-old player who's probably going to ultimately be a role player more so than than anything else - is that the wisest thing to do when you're rebuilding?  If they're going to trade Melo, they shouldn't be doing so for anything less than a promising, young player who makes both financial and logical sense.  Green's just not that guy.

As far as Melo's trade value: there was a market for Josh Smith, Brandon Jennings, Al Jefferson, and Dwight Howard - even after his terrible past two years in Orlando and Los Angeles that, depending on your view, ruined two franchises in the present.  There will be a market for Melo - that much is certain.

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Green may have only been in the league since 2007, but he's still 27 years old - if he has not suddenly turned into "the guy" on this Celtics team, there's no reason for the Knicks to believe he'll be "the guy" for them.

They traded for Bargnani.  There is no reason to believe that the Knicks are incapable of doing things that you think are stupid.  They are a desperate team that is bad at talent evaluation.  They are quite capable of convincing themselves that a player just needs a change of circumstances to elevate his game and that New York is the place that will make it so.

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Green may have only been in the league since 2007, but he's still 27 years old - if he has not suddenly turned into "the guy" on this Celtics team, there's no reason for the Knicks to believe he'll be "the guy" for them.

They traded for Bargnani.  There is no reason to believe that the Knicks are incapable of doing things that you think are stupid.  They are a desperate team that is bad at talent evaluation.  They are quite capable of convincing themselves that a player just needs a change of circumstances to elevate his game and that New York is the place that will make it so.

Haha, true.  But that was done in some misguided attempt to keep Melo.  The ultimate goal for the Knicks is for Melo to stay in New York; even with how stupid James Dolan is as far as basketball decisions, the Knicks know marketability.  I can't see them giving up on Carmelo Anthony for Jeff Green.  Melo sells tickets and merchandise; Green's name doesn't have that kind of cachet.

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I def agree green is not the guy nor will he be...if I did I wouldn't suggest trading him....imo the Knicks shouldn't trade to get the guy but to rebuild and acquire assets and pieces like danny has done...then trade or draft or sign the guy....the knicks don't really have a core or a solid team to add just one guy. They are weak at pg and sg...so so at pf decent at c and set in sf with melo....they need to clean out the closet and start fresh. Thus trade melo for a very tradable assets......expiring contracts. Good role and complimentary players and picks. Then trade chandler bargs shump too get some younger talent and draft picks.....just my thoughts lol but since sounds like no asik deal no need for all this knick and melo talk.....we r back to being 2 players away from elite....go to wing guy and a center......

Endless Paradise altho  we disagree on this subject thanks for the good debate and solid job of makin me realize why I'm not a gm and why I love this blog. Where we can come up with ideas and spend all day on here instead of working hahaha TP for you sir!

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Certainly, this was a good discussion.  TP for you, too.

[Celtics4ever]

Melo ain't coming here.  Thank God of it too.

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I really just don't get how anyone could think a Melo trade would go down without someone like Sullinger being involved.  KG didn't get done without Al Jefferson, Melo didn't get done without Gallinari, Chris Paul didn't get done without Eric Gordon.

The Knicks probably aren't trading away their best player to "rebuild" with a 27-year-old Jeff Green and Jordan Crawford.  It's just not likely to happen.

And thats where the picks come in give Houston one of the two we have this year and give knicks the other PLUS give the knicks one of the future nets picks....Melo could easily  walk away and the knicks would have nothing........absolutely nothing but peace

The whole "walking away without getting anything" angle applied when Melo was traded from Denver, Dwight got traded from Orlando, and CP3 got traded from New Orleans - yet those teams still got back really promising, young prospects.  I guarantee you that if the Knicks made Melo available, Boston would be far from the only team in the running, so there's no way the Celtics would get away with lowballing the Knicks when other teams would certainly field better offers.

I disagree I don't think green, two first rounders and a huge expiring is a low ball. Green is better than any of the talent gained by those teams u mention except for jefferson possibly but throw in 2 firsts and easily better especially if one of those is a future nets pick....then they also have an expiring at end of season....or now some good trade chips in hump craw green and picksto use this year

In fairness to Masai Ujiri, he fleeced Dolan during the Melo trade. Dolan really wanted Melo, and he sent a boatload of players and picks (which the nuggets are still enjoying) for a diva player. Dolan is not a bright NBA person, he frequently overrules his GM and front office to get his way.