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Re: We are a Dominant two guard away from being title contenders
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2013, 10:44:28 AM »

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We very well could be a dominant SG away from being contenders. Unfortunately, a dominant SG is realllllllllllly hard to come by.

Re: We are a Dominant two guard away from being title contenders
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2013, 11:05:32 AM »

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If Jordan Crawford continues to protect the ball and shoot like he has been, the solution is in-house.

Dion Waiters is a few years away from being more useful than Crawford or Bradley. Right now, he is a net minus with a lot of promise.

Dominant 2-guards are rare birds. Many of the best ones right now, like Butler, Green, Iguodala, Sefolosha, are 3+D heavy players, and not creators like Harden, Kobe, or Wade. Courtney Lee actually holds his own when compared to that first group.

What we really need in order to be a contender is a guard or a small forward who can get a good shot, when required, one-on-one. Late in games when the referees swallow their whistles, defenses hold like crazy off the ball and brutalize post-up players. Crawford is presently our best answer for that, but he's definitely not the go-to option that Paul Pierce was.

Re: We are a Dominant two guard away from being title contenders
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2013, 11:09:41 AM »

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If Jordan Crawford continues to protect the ball and shoot like he has been, the solution is in-house.

Dion Waiters is a few years away from being more useful than Crawford or Bradley. Right now, he is a net minus with a lot of promise.

Dominant 2-guards are rare birds. Many of the best ones right now, like Butler, Green, Iguodala, Sefolosha, are 3+D heavy players, and not creators like Harden, Kobe, or Wade. Courtney Lee actually holds his own when compared to that first group.

What we really need in order to be a contender is a guard or a small forward who can get a good shot, when required, one-on-one. Late in games when the referees swallow their whistles, defenses hold like crazy off the ball and brutalize post-up players. Crawford is presently our best answer for that, but he's definitely not the go-to option that Paul Pierce was.


The Celtics need a better number 1 option then Crawford.  Crawford is a offensive G to spark off the bench.

Re: We are a Dominant two guard away from being title contenders
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2013, 11:13:54 AM »

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 I love Avery. But the wiser part of me knows he's the weak link in our starting five after the Asik trade goes down.

 
Are you kidding?  Avery has all star potential and is only 23.

Personally I dont go that far with Bradley. I think Bradley would be a greater asset for us if he came off the bench playing before a star SG.

Aflallo is what comes to mind as the best "potentially feasible" option (I think Orlando will be shopping him for picks, assets, and cap space.)

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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2013, 11:14:16 AM »

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 I love Avery. But the wiser part of me knows he's the weak link in our starting five after the Asik trade goes down.

I kinda feel like Green is the weakest link. I mean we'll see if his game is buoyed a bit by the return of Rondo but he's been underwhelming to say the least. He has talent and he has a salary that is moveable so I think inevitably he could end up getting traded. I actually like the confidence and assertiveness that Bradley has shown me at the offensive end. He's still not a very good ballhandler and he has tunnel vision off picks but generally I trust him to at least try to make a play when his team needs one.
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Re: We are a Dominant two guard away from being title contenders
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2013, 11:14:43 AM »

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If Jordan Crawford continues to protect the ball and shoot like he has been, the solution is in-house.

Dion Waiters is a few years away from being more useful than Crawford or Bradley. Right now, he is a net minus with a lot of promise.

Dominant 2-guards are rare birds. Many of the best ones right now, like Butler, Green, Iguodala, Sefolosha, are 3+D heavy players, and not creators like Harden, Kobe, or Wade. Courtney Lee actually holds his own when compared to that first group.

What we really need in order to be a contender is a guard or a small forward who can get a good shot, when required, one-on-one. Late in games when the referees swallow their whistles, defenses hold like crazy off the ball and brutalize post-up players. Crawford is presently our best answer for that, but he's definitely not the go-to option that Paul Pierce was.


The Celtics need a better number 1 option then Crawford.  Crawford is a offensive G to spark off the bench.

Agreed.


I know none of you guys have ever seen this postulated anywhere before ever, but maybe we should consider Carmelo Anthony.
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Re: We are a Dominant two guard away from being title contenders
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2013, 11:16:33 AM »

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If Jordan Crawford continues to protect the ball and shoot like he has been, the solution is in-house.

Dion Waiters is a few years away from being more useful than Crawford or Bradley. Right now, he is a net minus with a lot of promise.

Dominant 2-guards are rare birds. Many of the best ones right now, like Butler, Green, Iguodala, Sefolosha, are 3+D heavy players, and not creators like Harden, Kobe, or Wade. Courtney Lee actually holds his own when compared to that first group.

What we really need in order to be a contender is a guard or a small forward who can get a good shot, when required, one-on-one. Late in games when the referees swallow their whistles, defenses hold like crazy off the ball and brutalize post-up players. Crawford is presently our best answer for that, but he's definitely not the go-to option that Paul Pierce was.


The Celtics need a better number 1 option then Crawford.  Crawford is a offensive G to spark off the bench.

Agreed.


I know none of you guys have ever seen this postulated anywhere before ever, but maybe we should consider Carmelo Anthony.


Melo would be a good upgrade at SF that would help this team.



I just don't think it is very likely.

Re: We are a Dominant two guard away from being title contenders
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2013, 11:21:14 AM »

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If Jordan Crawford continues to protect the ball and shoot like he has been, the solution is in-house.

Dion Waiters is a few years away from being more useful than Crawford or Bradley. Right now, he is a net minus with a lot of promise.

Dominant 2-guards are rare birds. Many of the best ones right now, like Butler, Green, Iguodala, Sefolosha, are 3+D heavy players, and not creators like Harden, Kobe, or Wade. Courtney Lee actually holds his own when compared to that first group.

What we really need in order to be a contender is a guard or a small forward who can get a good shot, when required, one-on-one. Late in games when the referees swallow their whistles, defenses hold like crazy off the ball and brutalize post-up players. Crawford is presently our best answer for that, but he's definitely not the go-to option that Paul Pierce was.


The Celtics need a better number 1 option then Crawford.  Crawford is a offensive G to spark off the bench.

Agreed.


I know none of you guys have ever seen this postulated anywhere before ever, but maybe we should consider Carmelo Anthony.

Ha! Tommy point for a pitch-perfect delivery on that one.

Re: We are a Dominant two guard away from being title contenders
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2013, 11:23:54 AM »

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If you want to talk about gettable 2-guards with the potential to be top 5 at their position, mclemore is higher on my list than waiters. I also think that the Kings can be had; I'm not as sure about the Cavs

Re: We are a Dominant two guard away from being title contenders
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2013, 11:36:43 AM »

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I think we can get by with the 2 guards we have.  My concern is more toward an interior defender. We have the most trouble with physical big men (i.e. the big guys from Orlando, MInn, Detroit....

With Rondo and a very solid big...That puts us at a 3 seed. Now we still have chips to take us to the next level.

Re: We are a Dominant two guard away from being title contenders
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2013, 12:27:44 PM »

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A lot think AB is that guy.   I don't, he has improved but I think he is not a dominant SG on offense.

Re: We are a Dominant two guard away from being title contenders
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2013, 01:36:18 PM »

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marshon brooks!!!!

Re: We are a Dominant two guard away from being title contenders
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2013, 01:39:00 PM »

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Like Kobe or Jordan?  Or mid-2000s Wade?
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Re: We are a Dominant two guard away from being title contenders
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2013, 06:42:23 PM »

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Honestly we could use a talent upgrade at every position. Everybody on the roster now has some huge hole in their game. I'm not trying to bash the team, rather hold them up to a championship standard. All of these guys, including Rondo, COULD start on a contender but only if they were surrounded by 2-3 more complete players.

It's almost like people forgot we lost three hall-of-famers in the last two years. You can't replace them with guys who would be lucky just to make an all star team and expect a new banner in the rafters.

Re: We are a Dominant two guard away from being title contenders
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2013, 07:00:26 PM »

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Honestly we could use a talent upgrade at every position. Everybody on the roster now has some huge hole in their game. I'm not trying to bash the team, rather hold them up to a championship standard. All of these guys, including Rondo, COULD start on a contender but only if they were surrounded by 2-3 more complete players.

It's almost like people forgot we lost three hall-of-famers in the last two years. You can't replace them with guys who would be lucky just to make an all star team and expect a new banner in the rafters.

  None of those guys have been playing at a HOF level recently. And by recently I mean at least a few years.