If the Asik trade happens, are "basically" rebuilt?

[ScoobyDoo]

Asik / Faverani / Iverson
Sully / Olynyk / Humphries
Green / Wallace
Bradley / Brooks / Bogans
Rondo / Crawford / Pressey

It seems like the foundation would be there with that starting unit.

Obvious to add talent to:

1. Mid level back up small forward - sharp shooter

2. 6' 5" back up two - 3 & D type - behind Bradley

3. Add another PF through the draft for depth

With that core group of players above we are not far away, maybe another move or two this off season, or sooner.

I'd also say that team above should be able to bang with anyone inside and the defense could be off the charts.

I honestly believe that team can also make a legitimate run this year if Rondo is able to be full throttle within a few months.

[LarBrd33]

Still have a massive gaping massive hole of "franchise player".  That's not Rondo.  Rondo is a 2nd or 3rd best player on a contender.

But we'd have some solid role players to surround a superstar with.. and tons of assets left to trade if/when a superstar becomes available.

[Who]

Still have a massive gaping massive hole of "franchise player".

Thinking about that lineup with Melo there instead of Sully ...

With Rondo pushing the ball and Melo and J.Green at the forward positions in an uptempo spaced offense, with Asik controlling the boards and protecting the basket helping Boston control the pace, along with the perimeter defense 1 through 4 ... that team would be awful difficult to contend with.

[Who]

Asik / Faverani
Sully / Olynyk / Humphries
Green / Wallace
Bradley
Rondo / Crawford

I think that starting five is quite strong. Looks like a 50 win type team to me if Sully keeps progressing and makes the leap from 16/8 starting PF to a 18-20ppg and 9-10rpg starting PF.

The defensive quality of that starting lineup would be very high. One of the best in the league. The rebounding from the bigs would be really strong. Not so good at SG + SF but Rondo's strong rebounding at PG could still make Boston a plus rebounding team on the perimeter as well as in the paint. A fairly mediocre offensive team to bit below average (15th-20th) offensive team but the strength of their defensive + rebounding backbone will be tough to contend with.

Danny Ainge would still have a lot of draft picks, cap flexibility and trade assets to trade to take the team to the next level.

Very happy with that foundation.

[CoachBo]

Still have a massive gaping massive hole of "franchise player".

Thinking about that lineup with Melo there instead of Sully ...

With Rondo pushing the ball and Melo and J.Green at the forward positions in an uptempo spaced offense, with Asik controlling the boards and protecting the basket helping Boston control the pace, along with the perimeter defense 1 through 4 ... that team would be awful difficult to contend with.

Agree in total with the two posters. Rebuilt? Not yet. Don't see the marquee scorer, and not quite enough depth. Still don't know what we're getting with Rondo, and whether he'll adapt his game to this group.

But ... a lot closer than anyone could have expected in the summer.

[BballTim]

Still have a massive gaping massive hole of "franchise player".  That's not Rondo.  Rondo is a 2nd or 3rd best player on a contender.

But we'd have some solid role players to surround a superstar with.. and tons of assets left to trade if/when a superstar becomes available.

  With solid players at all 5 positions it really lessens what you need from the star player you're bringing in. It's not like he's trying to carry players like Derek Fisher and Luke Walton in the starting lineup. That lineup, if healthy, should be a solid playoff team. We'd still have 8 upcoming draft picks and a solid starter to trade for that one player we'd need.

[PhoSita]

Rebuilt into a team that will win 45-50 games and give us an entertaining series against the Pacers or Heat in the second round for a few seasons straight?

Sure.

[PhoSita]

Still have a massive gaping massive hole of "franchise player".  That's not Rondo.  Rondo is a 2nd or 3rd best player on a contender.

But we'd have some solid role players to surround a superstar with.. and tons of assets left to trade if/when a superstar becomes available.

  With solid players at all 5 positions it really lessens what you need from the star player you're bringing in. It's not like he's trying to carry players like Derek Fisher and Luke Walton in the starting lineup. That lineup, if healthy, should be a solid playoff team. We'd still have 8 upcoming draft picks and a solid starter to trade for that one player we'd need.

I dunno.  We would still have trade assets like you say, but our salary situation would be pretty maxed out, especially when you consider what we'll have to pay to keep Sullinger and Rondo in a couple of years.

Exchange Bradley for a player like Thompson or Beal.  Exchange Green for a player like Leonard, or maybe H. Barnes if he turns into a star.  Exchange Sullinger for Kevin Love.

One of those upgrades might be plausible.  Not sure.

[SHAQATTACK]

Asik / Faverani
Sully / Olynyk / Humphries
Green / Wallace
Bradley
Rondo / Crawford

I think that starting five is quite strong. Looks like a 50 win type team to me if Sully keeps progressing and makes the leap from 16/8 starting PF to a 18-20ppg and 9-10rpg starting PF.

The defensive quality of that starting lineup would be very high. One of the best in the league. The rebounding from the bigs would be really strong. Not so good at SG + SF but Rondo's strong rebounding at PG could still make Boston a plus rebounding team on the perimeter as well as in the paint. A fairly mediocre offensive team to bit below average (15th-20th) offensive team but the strength of their defensive + rebounding backbone will be tough to contend with.

Danny Ainge would still have a lot of draft picks, cap flexibility and trade assets to trade to take the team to the next level.

Very happy with that foundation.

Agree.......with our good coach ......and future picks l..........pretty nice single season turnaround

[LarBrd33]

I think everyone is underestimating how bad our offense will be when you remove Bass and Crawford (both excellent shooters) and replace them with Rondo and Asik (both poor offensive players).  Rondo can pass the ball like a boss, but he needs someone to pass the ball too.   Bradley, Sully and Green are fine players, but I'd guess we'd need an elite scorer to really do much.  This wouldn't be a 50 win team... Could be a 41 win team though.  This year that would be enough for a high seed in the playoffs. 

It would be a really good defensive team, but you'd kinda need someone like Melo dropping 30 a night if you hoped to make any noise.

[Jailan34]

I think everyone is underestimating how bad our offense will be when you remove Bass and Crawford (both excellent shooters) and replace them with Rondo and Asik (both poor offensive players).  Rondo can pass the ball like a boss, but he needs someone to pass the ball too.   Bradley, Sully and Green are fine players, but I'd guess we'd need an elite scorer to really do much.  This wouldn't be a 50 win team... Could be a 41 win team though.  This year that would be enough for a high seed in the playoffs. 

It would be a really good defensive team, but you'd kinda need someone like Melo dropping 30 a night if you hoped to make any noise.

Which is why this deal confuses me so much, it doesn't really do much of anything except set us up for another deal.

Of course this entire season has confused me so it shouldn't surprise me that much I guess, just wish I knew what the plan was for this team, because right now it feels an awful lot like treading water in the middle of a terrible conference.

[guava_wrench]

Still have a massive gaping massive hole of "franchise player".

Thinking about that lineup with Melo there instead of Sully ...

With Rondo pushing the ball and Melo and J.Green at the forward positions in an uptempo spaced offense, with Asik controlling the boards and protecting the basket helping Boston control the pace, along with the perimeter defense 1 through 4 ... that team would be awful difficult to contend with.

Until Melo starts taking over every play with a 3pt line iso where he receives the ball and then waits for the defender comes and then tries to break him down before releasing a low percentage shot.

If Stevens can get through to Melo, sure. If teams can just load up on the moves they know Melo will do, we are doomed in the playoffs while paying him $24m.

[celtic -_- pride]

no.

[Celtics4ever]

but you'd kinda need someone like Melo dropping 30 a night if you hoped to make any noise

Trouble is he gives up a lot of points too so it's moot.

[PhoSita]

I think everyone is underestimating how bad our offense will be when you remove Bass and Crawford (both excellent shooters) and replace them with Rondo and Asik (both poor offensive players).  Rondo can pass the ball like a boss, but he needs someone to pass the ball too.   Bradley, Sully and Green are fine players, but I'd guess we'd need an elite scorer to really do much.  This wouldn't be a 50 win team... Could be a 41 win team though.  This year that would be enough for a high seed in the playoffs. 

It would be a really good defensive team, but you'd kinda need someone like Melo dropping 30 a night if you hoped to make any noise.

Yeah, I had this thought too.

Asik is a great defensive player, and a great rebounder.  Those are nice things.

But do you think adding him to this team makes the team better offensively?  At best it's probably break even.  This team isn't exactly great offensively as it is.


Elite defensively with a poor to mediocre offense -- sounds like the Bucks from a few years ago.