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So we don't actually have the Nets picks -- the Hawks do?
« on: December 18, 2013, 05:49:18 PM »

Online vjcsmoke

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I was looking into the Celtics future picks, and it looks like the Hawks have the right to swap with the Nets in 2014 and 2015.  So essentially even if the Nets win the lottery, the Hawks would swoop in and steal our prize.  Is this true??  Why did we make that deal, if we knew that was in place?

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Celtics.htm

Someone please explain it to me.  Because the Nets have been unexpectedly bad and the Celtics unexpectedly good.  I was hoping we could get into the lottery through the Nets, but now... draft plans aborted??
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2013, 05:51:01 PM »

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Yes.  That's common knowledge around here.

Right now our two picks are projected #19 (our own) and #20 (Hawks)

We get the crappiest of the Brooklyn/Atlanta picks. 
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2013, 05:52:27 PM »

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I'm not sure that anybody expected the Nets to be that bad this year.

The real prizes look to be the 2016 and 2018 picks, plus the Celtics right to swap with the Nets in 2017.  Those are still valuable assets.
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Re: So we don't actually have the Nets picks -- the Hawks do?
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2013, 06:00:10 PM »

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Doesn't matter anyways.  Brooklyn will make the playoffs.  Both our picks will be in the 15-25 range unless the leastern conference has a miraculous turnaround and we surprisingly fall out of the playoffs
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2013, 06:06:24 PM »

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Quote from: Roy H. on December 18, 2013, 05:52:27 PM
I'm not sure that anybody expected the Nets to be that bad this year.

The real prizes look to be the 2016 and 2018 picks, plus the Celtics right to swap with the Nets in 2017.  Those are still valuable assets.
All of these are unprotected. I'm still baffled how the Nets allowed us to practically draft from their spot for 3 years during which they'll likely not be very competitive.
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2013, 06:06:34 PM »

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Re: So we don't actually have the Nets picks -- the Hawks do?
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2013, 07:40:39 PM »

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Quote from: kozlodoev on December 18, 2013, 06:06:24 PM
Quote from: Roy H. on December 18, 2013, 05:52:27 PM
I'm not sure that anybody expected the Nets to be that bad this year.

The real prizes look to be the 2016 and 2018 picks, plus the Celtics right to swap with the Nets in 2017.  Those are still valuable assets.
All of these are unprotected. I'm still baffled how the Nets allowed us to practically draft from their spot for 3 years during which they'll likely not be very competitive.

Big time gamble for a very short period to win a championship; Prokhorov likes to make risks (his Russian football team has already won a European title);

if all this does not pan out, Billy King's head is on the table;
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2013, 08:20:14 PM »

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Quote from: Mazingerz on December 18, 2013, 07:40:39 PM
Quote from: kozlodoev on December 18, 2013, 06:06:24 PM
Quote from: Roy H. on December 18, 2013, 05:52:27 PM
I'm not sure that anybody expected the Nets to be that bad this year.

The real prizes look to be the 2016 and 2018 picks, plus the Celtics right to swap with the Nets in 2017.  Those are still valuable assets.
All of these are unprotected. I'm still baffled how the Nets allowed us to practically draft from their spot for 3 years during which they'll likely not be very competitive.

Big time gamble for a very short period to win a championship; Prokhorov likes to make risks (his Russian football team has already won a European title);

if all this does not pan out, Billy King's head is on the table;

These picks have very little value.  No way the nets rebuild under Prokhorov. Only way we get any value out of them is if they sustain a major injury.

Looks like Hump is the only real asset we got.
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2013, 08:30:51 PM »

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Quote from: LarBrd33 on December 18, 2013, 05:51:01 PM
Yes.  That's common knowledge around here.

Right now our two picks are projected #19 (our own) and #20 (Hawks)

We get the crappiest of the Brooklyn/Atlanta picks.

The 19th + 20th picks combined can probably allow us to move up to like 12th overall.  One of the teams that wasn't expecting to be as bad as they are (Lakers, Minn, Memphis) will all draft around there and they have cheap owners.  They may want two players on cheap contracts instead of one, or may do one of our players + the lower of our two picks for a pick in the low teens.  This is Danny's specialty, if anything
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2013, 08:33:32 PM »

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Quote from: Quetzalcoatl on December 18, 2013, 08:30:51 PM
Quote from: LarBrd33 on December 18, 2013, 05:51:01 PM
Yes.  That's common knowledge around here.

Right now our two picks are projected #19 (our own) and #20 (Hawks)

We get the crappiest of the Brooklyn/Atlanta picks.

The 19th + 20th picks combined can probably allow us to move up to like 12th overall.  One of the teams that wasn't expecting to be as bad as they are (Lakers, Minn, Memphis) will all draft around there and they have cheap owners.  They may want two players on cheap contracts instead of one, or may do one of our players + the lower of our two picks for a pick in the low teens.  This is Danny's specialty, if anything

I don't think I'd say that the Lakers have cheap owners.
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Re: So we don't actually have the Nets picks -- the Hawks do?
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2013, 08:43:38 PM »

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Quote from: D.o.s. on December 18, 2013, 08:33:32 PM
Quote from: Quetzalcoatl on December 18, 2013, 08:30:51 PM
Quote from: LarBrd33 on December 18, 2013, 05:51:01 PM
Yes.  That's common knowledge around here.

Right now our two picks are projected #19 (our own) and #20 (Hawks)

We get the crappiest of the Brooklyn/Atlanta picks.

The 19th + 20th picks combined can probably allow us to move up to like 12th overall.  One of the teams that wasn't expecting to be as bad as they are (Lakers, Minn, Memphis) will all draft around there and they have cheap owners.  They may want two players on cheap contracts instead of one, or may do one of our players + the lower of our two picks for a pick in the low teens.  This is Danny's specialty, if anything

I don't think I'd say that the Lakers have cheap owners.

Yeah I almost left them out, but they don't have a lot of money to play with right now
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2013, 10:34:23 PM »

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Quote from: vjcsmoke on December 18, 2013, 05:49:18 PM
I was looking into the Celtics future picks, and it looks like the Hawks have the right to swap with the Nets in 2014 and 2015.  So essentially even if the Nets win the lottery, the Hawks would swoop in and steal our prize.  Is this true??  Why did we make that deal, if we knew that was in place?

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Celtics.htm

Someone please explain it to me.  Because the Nets have been unexpectedly bad and the Celtics unexpectedly good.  I was hoping we could get into the lottery through the Nets, but now... draft plans aborted??

Can you please tell Chris Mannix this?  Apparently he wasn't aware of this, as he said "you can't give up that Brooklyn pick this year, as they may be lottery bound".  smh.  What an idiot!

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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2013, 06:08:17 PM »

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Quote from: Quetzalcoatl on December 18, 2013, 08:30:51 PM
The 19th + 20th picks combined can probably allow us to move up to like 12th overall.

My guess is that you're looking at being able to move up 2-4 spots, based on past draft day trades.

Usually, the trade is because you are in love with a specific player who you think is going to be taken by the team drafting 17th or 18th, so you try to leap-frog them by finding a team just ahead that doesn't feel strongly about any player who won't be available before the 20th pick rolls around.
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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2013, 06:25:04 PM »

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Quote from: Roy H. on December 18, 2013, 05:52:27 PM
I'm not sure that anybody expected the Nets to be that bad this year.

They have 9 wins and Box Score Geeks would have them at 11 wins through 25 games, using the pessimistic prediction.  If you chalk the difference up to unexpected levels of injury and variance due to small sample size, you could say they expected that the Nets could (not would) be this bad and this is the low end of the range of how Brooklyn would play.

They also predicted the Celtics with 39.4 wins and the 8th seed and gave the Hawks only a 10.7% chance of ending up in the lottery (30.7% for Brooklyn).
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Re: So we don't actually have the Nets picks -- the Hawks do?
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2013, 06:32:59 PM »

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Quote from: LooseCannon on December 19, 2013, 06:08:17 PM
Quote from: Quetzalcoatl on December 18, 2013, 08:30:51 PM
The 19th + 20th picks combined can probably allow us to move up to like 12th overall.

My guess is that you're looking at being able to move up 2-4 spots, based on past draft day trades.

Usually, the trade is because you are in love with a specific player who you think is going to be taken by the team drafting 17th or 18th, so you try to leap-frog them by finding a team just ahead that doesn't feel strongly about any player who won't be available before the 20th pick rolls around.

This isn't necessarily true. We moved up from #16 to #13 this year by only throwing in two 2nd round picks (really just one since we picked up Iverson for cash). It was even more impressive since we moved into the lottery.

It will be interesting to see what happens to our team by next draft day.
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