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Re: If not Melo, then who?
« Reply #45 on: December 17, 2013, 09:30:45 PM »

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You see what Brads doing with this roster imagine if he had Melo at his expense and a legit big? Look out

Melo would do as he pleased and would be sitting on the bench because Stevens is a team ball guy not a let the volume scorer lose kind of guy.

Melo is the pyrite of the NBA.

Melo hasn't had a quality team assembled around him other than the Knicks last season-
Just not true. The problem is that Melo is a major flaw in his past teams, but his teammates get all the blame.

Melo has been on quite a good teams, but when the playoff cames, he was getting stuffed at the rim or charging guys to lose series.

One of Melo's biggest problems is his low basketball IQ. He has no instinct for how to get his team going. All he knows is launching inefficient shots or trying to barrel his way to the rim for looks he can't finish. This is disaster in the playoffs when the game gets more physical and he doesn't get to the line when he initiates that contact by running into people or when he plays the better defenses.

I'll give him credit -- he can destroy teams without a strong SF defender. But all the top teams in the east have SF that can force him to resort to really bad chucks, whether Lebron, George, or Deng.

Re: If not Melo, then who?
« Reply #46 on: December 17, 2013, 09:41:59 PM »

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Alex English, George Gervin, Allen Iverson, Adrian Dantley, Carmelo Anthony, etc. etc.

NBA has been littered with these type of "superstars" who are all about getting their points but did nothing to make their team mates better or overall teams great. They are the exact type of "superstars" you do NOT want on your team because they will never lead your team to a ring.

I would rather wait to see Sullinger or some future draft pick turn into a superstar or get multiple "stars" that can work in a team environment than to have a "superstar" like Carmelo Anthony.
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Re: If not Melo, then who?
« Reply #47 on: December 17, 2013, 09:43:40 PM »

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If not Melo then who?...

Maybe you can trade Humph, Bass, Lee and our two 2014 picks (#19 and #20) for a half season rental of Pau Gasol.  That way we can at least be a respectable playoff team.
This type of panic led the Knicks to sign Stoudamire. The answer is neither. Why would you mortgage the future to be a "repectable playoff team" for one year?

Re: If not Melo, then who?
« Reply #48 on: December 17, 2013, 10:42:51 PM »

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If not Melo then who?...

Maybe you can trade Humph, Bass, Lee and our two 2014 picks (#19 and #20) for a half season rental of Pau Gasol.  That way we can at least be a respectable playoff team.
This type of panic led the Knicks to sign Stoudamire. The answer is neither. Why would you mortgage the future to be a "repectable playoff team" for one year?
Because maybe you have a better shot gambling on a playoff run than you do gambling that your #19 and #20 picks end up anything more than Fab Melo and Jr Giddens.

Re: If not Melo, then who?
« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2013, 10:49:09 PM »

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If not Melo then who?...

Maybe you can trade Humph, Bass, Lee and our two 2014 picks (#19 and #20) for a half season rental of Pau Gasol.  That way we can at least be a respectable playoff team.
This type of panic led the Knicks to sign Stoudamire. The answer is neither. Why would you mortgage the future to be a "repectable playoff team" for one year?
Because maybe you have a better shot gambling on a playoff run than you do gambling that your #19 and #20 picks end up anything more than Fab Melo and Jr Giddens.

  Sounds like a weak draft class. A few good players at the top, but not much beyond that. Either way, if LA was going to get multiple draft picks for Gasol they'd have to take back Wallace instead of Humphries, and even the Danny might balk.


 

Re: If not Melo, then who?
« Reply #50 on: December 17, 2013, 11:38:01 PM »

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The east is horrible right now. Any team with a "star" on it should be in the playoff run. Right now the Knicks are 7-17 with Melo as their best player. That just about tells me all I need to know about him.
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Re: If not Melo, then who?
« Reply #51 on: December 18, 2013, 02:05:59 AM »

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You see what Brads doing with this roster imagine if he had Melo at his expense and a legit big? Look out

Melo would do as he pleased and would be sitting on the bench because Stevens is a team ball guy not a let the volume scorer lose kind of guy.

Melo is the pyrite of the NBA.

Melo hasn't had a quality team assembled around him other than the Knicks last season- and they had Felton and Shumpert starting for them with a mix of Kidd, Prigioni and Chris Copeland starting. Other than Chandler and Kidd, the rest of his team mates really haven't been stellar, and Chandler is not an offensive player.

I think what advocates for Melo are saying is that we need a guy who can score the ball because our best player is not a scorer which is a huge problem.
Melo is the leading scorer in the NBA-or is always competing with Durant for that title. That's an incredible talent- but it also puts an incredible amount of pressure on you come playoff time when you don't have any help.
They almost got the trio of Amare, Chandler and Carmelo but Amare got injured 50 games in with Melo and they were still working it out as a unit.

Essentially for Melo to succeed, I believe you'd have to put him at the power forward position for large portions to exploit his speed and size.
People love to call him a chucker and a hack that doesn't pass but he's had a depreciating Billups and Allen Iverson (even bigger ball hog) on his team as his help. They were both when he was much younger too. Remember Pierce when he was 27?

Give him some real All Star help in Rondo and another wing scorer like Jeff Green to take the pressure off and let him play. If we want a title shot before Rondo hits free agency there isn't too much choice.

I've sprouted this so many times, but this line up is a serious contender:

Rondo
Bradley
Green
Melo
Chandler (or Asik)

You either have Sully at the 4 or Melo at the 4 so Sully can be moved for a better shooting guard than Bradley, or a nice first round pick.
Or you keep Sully at the 4 and Melo at the 3 and let Melo play 4 against certain teams/matchups.

i never saw this till now
but
imho
a team of Rondo Bradley Melo Sully and Asik
with faverani and some pieces really can make some noise
as much as we have to give some ..old time regrets on those
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Re: If not Melo, then who?
« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2013, 02:07:25 AM »

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You see what Brads doing with this roster imagine if he had Melo at his expense and a legit big? Look out

Melo would do as he pleased and would be sitting on the bench because Stevens is a team ball guy not a let the volume scorer lose kind of guy.

Melo is the pyrite of the NBA.

Melo hasn't had a quality team assembled around him other than the Knicks last season- and they had Felton and Shumpert starting for them with a mix of Kidd, Prigioni and Chris Copeland starting. Other than Chandler and Kidd, the rest of his team mates really haven't been stellar, and Chandler is not an offensive player.

I think what advocates for Melo are saying is that we need a guy who can score the ball because our best player is not a scorer which is a huge problem.
Melo is the leading scorer in the NBA-or is always competing with Durant for that title. That's an incredible talent- but it also puts an incredible amount of pressure on you come playoff time when you don't have any help.
They almost got the trio of Amare, Chandler and Carmelo but Amare got injured 50 games in with Melo and they were still working it out as a unit.

Essentially for Melo to succeed, I believe you'd have to put him at the power forward position for large portions to exploit his speed and size.
People love to call him a chucker and a hack that doesn't pass but he's had a depreciating Billups and Allen Iverson (even bigger ball hog) on his team as his help. They were both when he was much younger too. Remember Pierce when he was 27?

Give him some real All Star help in Rondo and another wing scorer like Jeff Green to take the pressure off and let him play. If we want a title shot before Rondo hits free agency there isn't too much choice.

I've sprouted this so many times, but this line up is a serious contender:

Rondo
Bradley
Green
Melo
Chandler (or Asik)

You either have Sully at the 4 or Melo at the 4 so Sully can be moved for a better shooting guard than Bradley, or a nice first round pick.
Or you keep Sully at the 4 and Melo at the 3 and let Melo play 4 against certain teams/matchups.

i never saw this till now
but
imho
a team of Rondo Bradley Melo Sully and Asik
with faverani and some pieces really can make some noise
as much as we have to give some ..old time regrets on those

sorry to double post..specially when those pieces came from tons of first rounders
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Re: If not Melo, then who?
« Reply #53 on: December 18, 2013, 02:08:48 AM »

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The east is horrible right now. Any team with a "star" on it should be in the playoff run. Right now the Knicks are 7-17 with Melo as their best player. That just about tells me all I need to know about him.

It tells me that without a center will be almost imposible for any nba SF who tends to play PF
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Re: If not Melo, then who?
« Reply #54 on: December 18, 2013, 02:15:57 AM »

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The east is horrible right now. Any team with a "star" on it should be in the playoff run. Right now the Knicks are 7-17 with Melo as their best player. That just about tells me all I need to know about him.

It tells me that without a center will be almost imposible for any nba SF who tends to play PF
And no point guard. No single player can win it all without support

Re: If not Melo, then who?
« Reply #55 on: December 18, 2013, 06:45:14 AM »

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The east is horrible right now. Any team with a "star" on it should be in the playoff run. Right now the Knicks are 7-17 with Melo as their best player. That just about tells me all I need to know about him.

  How much more does it tell you than those good Denver teams that had him as their best player did?

Re: If not Melo, then who?
« Reply #56 on: December 18, 2013, 08:29:11 AM »

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The east is horrible right now. Any team with a "star" on it should be in the playoff run. Right now the Knicks are 7-17 with Melo as their best player. That just about tells me all I need to know about him.

It tells me that without a center will be almost imposible for any nba SF who tends to play PF
And no point guard. No single player can win it all without support

If you go out and get Melo and Asik this would actually be a top team in the East. Especially if they keep Sullinger and Bradley.

PG Rondo
SG Bradley
SF Melo
PF Sully
C.  Asik

Defense to go with scoring and passing. Sign me up.

Re: If not Melo, then who?
« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2013, 08:38:30 AM »

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The east is horrible right now. Any team with a "star" on it should be in the playoff run. Right now the Knicks are 7-17 with Melo as their best player. That just about tells me all I need to know about him.


So you were against getting KG when he was on that terrible T-Wolves team?



Re: If not Melo, then who?
« Reply #58 on: December 18, 2013, 08:44:04 AM »

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You see what Brads doing with this roster imagine if he had Melo at his expense and a legit big? Look out

Melo would do as he pleased and would be sitting on the bench because Stevens is a team ball guy not a let the volume scorer lose kind of guy.

Melo is the pyrite of the NBA.

Melo hasn't had a quality team assembled around him other than the Knicks last season- and they had Felton and Shumpert starting for them with a mix of Kidd, Prigioni and Chris Copeland starting. Other than Chandler and Kidd, the rest of his team mates really haven't been stellar, and Chandler is not an offensive player.

I think what advocates for Melo are saying is that we need a guy who can score the ball because our best player is not a scorer which is a huge problem.
Melo is the leading scorer in the NBA-or is always competing with Durant for that title. That's an incredible talent- but it also puts an incredible amount of pressure on you come playoff time when you don't have any help.
They almost got the trio of Amare, Chandler and Carmelo but Amare got injured 50 games in with Melo and they were still working it out as a unit.

Essentially for Melo to succeed, I believe you'd have to put him at the power forward position for large portions to exploit his speed and size.
People love to call him a chucker and a hack that doesn't pass but he's had a depreciating Billups and Allen Iverson (even bigger ball hog) on his team as his help. They were both when he was much younger too. Remember Pierce when he was 27?

Give him some real All Star help in Rondo and another wing scorer like Jeff Green to take the pressure off and let him play. If we want a title shot before Rondo hits free agency there isn't too much choice.

I've sprouted this so many times, but this line up is a serious contender:

Rondo
Bradley
Green
Melo
Chandler (or Asik)

You either have Sully at the 4 or Melo at the 4 so Sully can be moved for a better shooting guard than Bradley, or a nice first round pick.
Or you keep Sully at the 4 and Melo at the 3 and let Melo play 4 against certain teams/matchups.

i never saw this till now
but
imho
a team of Rondo Bradley Melo Sully and Asik
with faverani and some pieces really can make some noise
as much as we have to give some ..old time regrets on those

The only hard part is deciding if Avery Bradley is going to be a legitimate 3 point shooter and jumpshooter- because he MUST become a 40% three point shooter for this team to win it all.

You gotta have Melo, Green, Sully and Bradley all hitting the three ball with Asik fighting inside on pick and rolls.
Rondo would do wonders for Asik.

What people tend to forget is that guys like Melo and Asik have rarely played with pass first point guards.
The only time Melo did was with Chauncey on the back end of his prime, and they made the Western Conference finals.

Would be a very tough team and would stretch the floor.

Think of it as an Eastern conference version of San Antonio where instead of Duncan or Parker as our best players we have Melo and Rondo creating havoc penetrating and dishing to three point shooters.
Green is our Leonard and Asik is our rim protector.
Bench is solid with Sully and Craw.
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Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: If not Melo, then who?
« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2013, 11:54:38 AM »

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If not Melo then who?...

Maybe you can trade Humph, Bass, Lee and our two 2014 picks (#19 and #20) for a half season rental of Pau Gasol.  That way we can at least be a respectable playoff team.
This type of panic led the Knicks to sign Stoudamire. The answer is neither. Why would you mortgage the future to be a "repectable playoff team" for one year?
Because maybe you have a better shot gambling on a playoff run than you do gambling that your #19 and #20 picks end up anything more than Fab Melo and Jr Giddens.

You seriously going to bring up the pau gasol trade idea in a Melo thread?  give it up.  that idea already has its own thread.  the idea of either player in green makes me want to barf.   Melo is one dimensional and Pau Gasol is washed up.