Austin Rivers

[slamtheking]

rivers looks like a bit of a bust.  I could see Bradley for Rivers...  Boston probably wants to avoid paying Bradley. Rivers is young enough that he could still have a career.

at least you're consistent -- overrate players on other teams and undervalue the players on the C's.  Rivers wishes he was AB and appears very unlikely to even sniff AB's current playing level.  why would this ever be a sensible trade? 

[LarBrd33]

rivers looks like a bit of a bust.  I could see Bradley for Rivers...  Boston probably wants to avoid paying Bradley. Rivers is young enough that he could still have a career.

Lol. Sometimes I just can't. Please help me make it through trade season Lord. Just no. NO.

Well I mean at first glance it's a ridiculous trade.  Clearly Bradley is vastly superior to Rivers right now.  Rivers first 76 games have been nothing short of catastrophic. 

But Rivers was thought to be one of the best players in his draft class.  At one point he was pegged as a "future star".  He was a top 10 pick.  He's been dreadful... hence why he's available.  Generally, superstar young players who are playing like superstars can't be had for nickles.  You gotta take some risks and roll some dice.  Think of Rivers value as someone like Thomas Robinson or Derrick Williams... terrible starts to their career, but still have lingering value from their potential. Rivers is only 21 years old and someone probably worth taking a gamble on for the right price.   The draw of his "potential" probably will not fade for at least 2 more years.  And you have to pay for that kind of potential.  A year ago, the thought of trading a mediocre player like Bradley for a potential future star was a laughable concept.  Bradley has proven to be a capable young player though (with a ceiling that he's likely reached)... and Rivers has been awful.  The combination of those two situations makes such a deal plausible.   

Then when you consider the fact that Bradley is a restricted free agent this offseason and Boston probably has little interest in tying him up to big money... while Rivers is still on his rookie deal for 3 years, it makes a lot more sense.

I'm not saying Rivers is better than Bradley.  I'm saying that Rivers probably still has a higher ceiling than Bradley and Boston probably doesn't want to pay big money to a role player like Bradley.

[beklog]

If it's Austin Powers then its a deal

[LarBrd33]

rivers looks like a bit of a bust.  I could see Bradley for Rivers...  Boston probably wants to avoid paying Bradley. Rivers is young enough that he could still have a career.

at least you're consistent -- overrate players on other teams and undervalue the players on the C's.  Rivers wishes he was AB and appears very unlikely to even sniff AB's current playing level.  why would this ever be a sensible trade?

I don't think that's what I'm saying.  Bradley is a fine young roleplayer putting up solid numbers.   Rivers has been absolutely dreadful, but some circles still probably think he has the potential to become a great player. 

Maybe I'm over-guessing on Rivers trade value.   I think he's a big name who was thought to be a future superstar out of high school... and he's since been a massive failure.  Still, that "potential" flag stays with a young player for a long time.  You'd have to pay a price to get him.   Maybe I'm way off and the kid could be had for a 2nd round pick and a package of cigarettes, but my guess is a young role player like Avery Bradley (on the verge of a big paycheck) is a more plausible price.

[Kuberski33]

Those of you anxious to deal Bradley haven't been watching too carefully recently.  The better question to ask is how much they're willing to commit to in order to keep him here.

[Ogaju]

WHY would the Celtics want anything to do with a Rivers? He may need time off to watch his dad coach.

[SHAQATTACK]

Rivers an't worth a wooden nickel

He sucks there ... He is a huge bust........a zero .......nada......fab Melo

Don't want their draft mistake



Dream on tennie boppers.......Austin is failure .......get over it

Bradley is 5 ties better than Austin Rivers will ever be ......except in the minds of teenie fans

[PhoSita]

He's a third stringer at best.

[hwangjini_1]

I have not seen rivers play, so I ask all the posters who predict doom and despair for his future to explain why you think so? I have not seen a single stat or ounce of analysis in this thread and would welcome those to help me understand and learn more.

Thanks.

[SHAQATTACK]

I have not seen rivers play, so I ask all the posters who predict doom and despair for his future to explain why you think so? I have not seen a single stat or ounce of analysis in this thread and would welcome those to help me understand and learn more.

Thanks.

He sucks so bad.....he doesn't play.....your not likely to see much of him.

[LarBrd33]

Rivers an't worth a wooden nickel

He sucks there ... He is a huge bust........a zero .......nada......fab Melo

Don't want their draft mistake



Dream on tennie boppers.......Austin is failure .......get over it

Bradley is 5 ties better than Austin Rivers will ever be ......except in the minds of teenie fans

Is anyone disputing that Austin has been a failure?

So you think they will just him and we can sign him to our D-League team?  I still say there's a price to pay for a 21 year old failure with perceived potential.   If Bradley is too much of a price, what do you propose would make more sense?  Mashon Brooks and Phil Pressey? 

Do you think there is a GM in this league that would dump a Top 10 pick (with perceived star potential) 76 games into his young career for the likes of Marshon Brooks and Phil Pressey?

I never said I was personally interested in trading for Austin Rivers.  It was reported that the Celtics organization has interest in him.  Everyone in this thread seems unanimously against the idea.... aint no tennie boppers here.  I'm just guessing what the price would possibly be for Rivers if the Boston Celtics are legitimately interested in trading for him.

Ainge is all about buying low and selling high.

[Evantime34]

rivers looks like a bit of a bust.  I could see Bradley for Rivers...  Boston probably wants to avoid paying Bradley. Rivers is young enough that he could still have a career.

No way we would do that. The Pelicans are rumored to trade Rivers because they don't have time to play him. If they traded him it would be for a future pick or a player at a different position, not someone at the same position who needs to be paid next year.

As to saying he's a bust: he's what 20 years old and behind two $9 MM+ players. He is the type of player that it can't hurt to take a chance on.

[pokeKingCurtis]

rivers looks like a bit of a bust.  I could see Bradley for Rivers...  Boston probably wants to avoid paying Bradley. Rivers is young enough that he could still have a career.

No way we would do that. The Pelicans are rumored to trade Rivers because they don't have time to play him. If they traded him it would be for a future pick or a player at a different position, not someone at the same position who needs to be paid next year.

As to saying he's a bust: he's what 20 years old and behind two $9 MM+ players. He is the type of player that it can't hurt to take a chance on.

AB would look nice next to Tyreke and Eric Gordon and Jrue Holiday.

AB not handling the ball = twice the player PG AB is.

[LooseCannon]

But Rivers was thought to be one of the best players in his draft class.  At one point he was pegged as a "future star".  He was a top 10 pick.  He's been dreadful... hence why he's available.  Generally, superstar young players who are playing like superstars can't be had for nickles.  You gotta take some risks and roll some dice.  Think of Rivers value as someone like Thomas Robinson or Derrick Williams... terrible starts to their career, but still have lingering value from their potential. Rivers is only 21 years old and someone probably worth taking a gamble on for the right price.   The draw of his "potential" probably will not fade for at least 2 more years.  And you have to pay for that kind of potential.  A year ago, the thought of trading a mediocre player like Bradley for a potential future star was a laughable concept.  Bradley has proven to be a capable young player though (with a ceiling that he's likely reached)... and Rivers has been awful.  The combination of those two situations makes such a deal plausible.   

I'd compare him to Jimmer Fredette, a guy who some people loved and other people was ridiculous overrated and a likely draft bust.

To me, he looked like he could be an inefficient volume scorer who doesn't offer anything useful on defense, which is pretty much the type of player I want to avoid.

[LarBrd33]

rivers looks like a bit of a bust.  I could see Bradley for Rivers...  Boston probably wants to avoid paying Bradley. Rivers is young enough that he could still have a career.

No way we would do that. The Pelicans are rumored to trade Rivers because they don't have time to play him. If they traded him it would be for a future pick or a player at a different position, not someone at the same position who needs to be paid next year.

As to saying he's a bust: he's what 20 years old and behind two $9 MM+ players. He is the type of player that it can't hurt to take a chance on.

AB would look nice next to Tyreke and Eric Gordon and Jrue Holiday.

AB not handling the ball = twice the player PG AB is.

A Sherrod was the one who reported it today... said Ainge may have interest in Rivers and might be willing to give up a pick.

So maybe it would just be something like Brooks+Pressey (for financial reasons) + a 1st for Rivers.

But who knows... maybe Boston trades Jeff Green for Asik and then scrambles to find a SF.  Tyreke Evans is getting paid a lot of money to come off the bench and I've always heard Ainge was a fan...  Maybe you'd see something like Bass, Lee, Bradley and a pick for Evans and Rivers.  Then suddenly Boston's lineup is PG - Rondo, SG - Crawford/Rivers, SF - Evans, PF - Sully, C - Asik. 

Actually, that's awful.  I'm bored and have no idea what I'm talking about.