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Re: Prediction: Avery, Jordan and Brandon are gone before the trade deadline.
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2013, 01:41:43 AM »

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Bass will not be traded this year, unless some crazy GM from some other team overpays. We'll stay with Bass until next year, when his value in the trade market should be much higher.
I can see Danny trading AB or JC if a decent offer appears.
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Re: Prediction: Avery, Jordan and Brandon are gone before the trade deadline.
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2013, 02:17:34 AM »

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Isn't Crawford, picked eight slots after AB in the 2010 draft, a restricted FA, with a qualifying offer of $3.2m next year? 

Tanking and getting a high pick is one way to rebuild.  Another is to draft or acquire talented players picked alter in the draft and develop them.  That's what the Cs are doing with AB and Crawford.  I don't see either one of them getting a big money offer from another.   More likely, the Cs will decide to pay at elast one of them  something int he $5m range for a few years, and hopefully get a lot of value out of the deal when the player develops further.  AB just turned 23 and Craw 25.  Still plenty of time to develop.

Bass is a luxury.  If Ainge can get something for him and not take back objectionable money, he should.  The Cs must develop either Sully or KO into at least a notch below all star level, so they both need to eat up minutes. 

Maybe Bass can be the bait to shed Wallace.  If Houston is serious about winning a title,maybe they can go Asik and Lin for Bass, Wallace and Crawford.  Both Asik and Lin have nightmarish deals next season, at $15m each, but Boston would be getting a 27 year old center who can lead the league in rebounding, and also protect the rim. Lin is a horrible fit, especially at $15m, but since they'd be paying Wallace and Bass $17m in '15 and $19m in '16, paying Lin big money one year for the chance to re-up Asik in the summer of '15 for around $11m/year instead of paying Bass and Wallace is a win. 

Asik, Fav
Sully, KO
Green
AB, Lee
Rondo, Lin

plus 2 draft picks in the loaded 2014 draft is a good rebuild. Hopefully, Ainge does an Ainge and snags a keeper like he did with Sully or hits a grand slam like he did with Rondo. 

That deal is great for Houston moneywise in 2015, but does lock up some caproom for the summer of 2015. Talentwise, it gives them a PF who can space the floor, has playoff experience at a high level, and also can move over and cover the Lebrons/Melo types in the playoffs if needed.  In Wallace, they're overpaying a scrappy glue guy, but Wallace is a battler and would help their defense greatly, especially when they're trying to slow Durant in the playoffs.  Crawford, if he plays like he has so far this season, is a good one-two punch with Beverely at PG.   Plus he can fill it up if needed.  Houston does a trade like this if they're truly in win now mode.   

Houston can just make the safe play and trade Asik for Thad Young,  but they don't shed the Lin 2015 $15m deal they now hate.     
 

Houston records your call about this trade, and plays it on live radio as a prank call.

They want to shed salary with Asik, they don't want to take back Bass and Wallace when Lin and Asik would be far better pieces come playoff time. They have Brooks already and Lin is better than Crawford.
I like your breakdown but I can't see us making sideways moves like this. I think we may go after a guy like Asik if we do get a star somehow, but we couldn't mortgage so much of our cap on 2 guys so quickly.
Just doesn't make any sense when there are other options out there for them either.

I think the question is, why would Ainge take back ASik and Lin's contracts when he's trying to clear the salary space of Wallace, Bass, Lee and Humphries now?
They are 2 players that make us slightly better but still terrible, keeping us stuck further in no man's land.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2013, 07:29:30 AM by chambers »
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Re: Prediction: Avery, Jordan and Brandon are gone before the trade deadline.
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2013, 02:53:38 AM »

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Isn't Crawford, picked eight slots after AB in the 2010 draft, a restricted FA, with a qualifying offer of $3.2m next year?
 

Yeah, you're right. I thought he was restricted but didn't bother researching it when someone here said otherwise.

Oops, scratch that. Apparently he is an unrestricted free agent. Ainge didn't pick up a 5th year option on his deal before the season. Apparently we do hold his bird rights which means we can pay him a little more?

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/11/12/jordan-crawford-earning-kudos-for-his-unselfish-play-with-celtics/mCbHtZznpR5vSWmuzXYCcL/story.html
« Last Edit: December 15, 2013, 03:27:08 AM by obnoxiousmime »

Re: Prediction: Avery, Jordan and Brandon are gone before the trade deadline.
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2013, 05:54:42 AM »

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Isn't Crawford, picked eight slots after AB in the 2010 draft, a restricted FA, with a qualifying offer of $3.2m next year?
 

Yeah, you're right. I thought he was restricted but didn't bother researching it when someone here said otherwise.

Oops, scratch that. Apparently he is an unrestricted free agent. Ainge didn't pick up a 5th year option on his deal before the season. Apparently we do hold his bird rights which means we can pay him a little more?

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/11/12/jordan-crawford-earning-kudos-for-his-unselfish-play-with-celtics/mCbHtZznpR5vSWmuzXYCcL/story.html

if crawford is unrestricted after this season, the odds are that he is getting traded by the deadline.  the fact that rondo comes back next month to swallow all of his minutes just tips the odds of crawford getting traded to even more likely.

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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2013, 06:06:29 AM »

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Isn't Crawford, picked eight slots after AB in the 2010 draft, a restricted FA, with a qualifying offer of $3.2m next year?
 

Yeah, you're right. I thought he was restricted but didn't bother researching it when someone here said otherwise.

Oops, scratch that. Apparently he is an unrestricted free agent. Ainge didn't pick up a 5th year option on his deal before the season. Apparently we do hold his bird rights which means we can pay him a little more?

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/11/12/jordan-crawford-earning-kudos-for-his-unselfish-play-with-celtics/mCbHtZznpR5vSWmuzXYCcL/story.html

if crawford is unrestricted after this season, the odds are that he is getting traded by the deadline.  the fact that rondo comes back next month to swallow all of his minutes just tips the odds of crawford getting traded to even more likely.
Not really if he plays nicely behind Rondo and is effective bet he goes nowhere.
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Re: Prediction: Avery, Jordan and Brandon are gone before the trade deadline.
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2013, 06:13:55 AM »

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Bass will not be traded this year, unless some crazy GM from some other team overpays. We'll stay with Bass until next year, when his value in the trade market should be much higher.
I can see Danny trading AB or JC if a decent offer appears.

with the way bass is playing right now, i dont see why a GM who is sincerely trying to win a championship doesnt trade off an expiring and a pick for bass to get them over the top. 6 mill per year isnt that bad.

or he could get traded for a disgruntled player ala jordan crawford last year, or when nate robinson got traded here because dantoni couldnt stand him. or a player who has gone through a slump and/or fallen out of the rotation like derrick williams did in minny/not living up to expectations (watch michael kidd-gilchrist). or a team that realizes a championship aint coming to them any time soon so they sell off their assets to rebuild like danny did for us this summer, or like maybe the knicks will do at the deadline (watch tyson chandler)

you could totally be right though. only time will tell. i just think bass' value cant get much higher than it already is, to wait would be risky because he could get injured or go through a slump, and his value would fall.

the celtics as currently constructed are meant to develop players into tradeable assets to get big names. bass is now officially a tradeable asset due to how much people are raving about his defense, and regardless, he is having a pretty good year so far.

i would be shocked if he wasnt moved in some type of deal by the deadline. also it clears space to give sully, olynyk, faverani, and whoever humphries gets traded for to develop. develop. develop. draft, deal, develop - done.

Re: Prediction: Avery, Jordan and Brandon are gone before the trade deadline.
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2013, 06:20:01 AM »

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Isn't Crawford, picked eight slots after AB in the 2010 draft, a restricted FA, with a qualifying offer of $3.2m next year?
 

Yeah, you're right. I thought he was restricted but didn't bother researching it when someone here said otherwise.

Oops, scratch that. Apparently he is an unrestricted free agent. Ainge didn't pick up a 5th year option on his deal before the season. Apparently we do hold his bird rights which means we can pay him a little more?

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/11/12/jordan-crawford-earning-kudos-for-his-unselfish-play-with-celtics/mCbHtZznpR5vSWmuzXYCcL/story.html

if crawford is unrestricted after this season, the odds are that he is getting traded by the deadline.  the fact that rondo comes back next month to swallow all of his minutes just tips the odds of crawford getting traded to even more likely.
Not really if he plays nicely behind Rondo and is effective bet he goes nowhere.

the answer to the question of if crawford gets traded is simply, once rondo comes back, does crawfords value go even higher, or does it get lower?  if it gets lower, danny will trade him. if it gets higher or stays the same, then keeping him may happen. i just think rondo will outshine him and crawford will lose some of his shiny sparkling trade value.

all in all though its danny ainge - he's so unpredictable regarding the construction of deals - i bet he doesnt even know whats going to happen.

Re: Prediction: Avery, Jordan and Brandon are gone before the trade deadline.
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2013, 06:01:30 PM »

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with the way bass is playing right now, i dont see why a GM who is sincerely trying to win a championship doesnt trade off an expiring and a pick for bass to get them over the top. 6 mill per year isnt that bad.

or he could get traded for a disgruntled player ala jordan crawford last year, or when nate robinson got traded here because dantoni couldnt stand him. or a player who has gone through a slump and/or fallen out of the rotation like derrick williams did in minny/not living up to expectations (watch michael kidd-gilchrist). or a team that realizes a championship aint coming to them any time soon so they sell off their assets to rebuild like danny did for us this summer, or like maybe the knicks will do at the deadline (watch tyson chandler)

you could totally be right though. only time will tell. i just think bass' value cant get much higher than it already is, to wait would be risky because he could get injured or go through a slump, and his value would fall.

the celtics as currently constructed are meant to develop players into tradeable assets to get big names. bass is now officially a tradeable asset due to how much people are raving about his defense, and regardless, he is having a pretty good year so far.

i would be shocked if he wasnt moved in some type of deal by the deadline. also it clears space to give sully, olynyk, faverani, and whoever humphries gets traded for to develop. develop. develop. draft, deal, develop - done.

Well I really don't see a good offer for Bass right now, but if it comes I'm sure Danny will trade him (and he should).
I don't think Bass will enter in a slump(injuries are always possible), and I definitely see that his expiring next year having more value. Using a more long term thinking approach the probability that something better will come by waiting that extra year is very good and the risk of it going bad is very low.
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Re: Prediction: Avery, Jordan and Brandon are gone before the trade deadline.
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2013, 06:24:12 PM »

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Lol no way all those guys are gone maybe one is moved at best
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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2013, 06:33:04 PM »

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Bass definitely has positive trade value now. Been putting up starter numbers this year and has proven pedigree defending top players in the playoffs. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't move before the deadline.


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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2013, 06:49:19 PM »

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I think it will be rondo that's gone.
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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2013, 07:08:10 PM »

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I think it will be rondo that's gone.

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« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2013, 08:12:01 PM »

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a bunch of guys will be gone just a matter of when.
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