Jeff Green couldn't even be the FOURTH best player on a championship team.

[yoursweatersux]

For some reason, Jeff Green [JG] always ends up in the middle of those silly "Could he be x player on a championship team?" discussions. Well, I decided to put that question to the actual test.

I decided to compare Jeff Green's wp48 to the wp48 of players on teams that have actually won the championship over the past several years.

To be a nice guy to Jeff and give him the benefit of the doubt, I've decided to only use his wp48 over the last 3 seasons (which omits is absolutely abysmal rookie year). As a result, JG clocks in at .107.

Furthermore, I decided only to count the wp48 of players that played statistically significant minutes and made an actual contribution. Accordingly, guys like Ian Mahimni did not make the cut. Lastly, I decided to cut Green even more slack by leaving off the list guys who only were marginally better or had fluke seasons.

Here are the results:
Players from the 2013 Heat that were better than JG
Lebron James
Dwayne Wade
Ray Allen
Chris Bosh
Chris Andersen
Mario Chalmers
Shane Battier

The 2013 Spurs (runners-up, but robbed from victory by a Ray Allen 3)
Parker
Splitter
Duncan
Ginobili
Leonard
Green
Bonner

2012 Heat
Basically the same story as 2013.

2011 Mavericks
Chandler
Nowitzki
Marion
Kidd

2010 Lakers
Kobe
Bynum
Gasol
Odom

2008 Celtics
KG
Pierce
Allen
Posey
Rondo
Perkins

The list goes on, but I think the point has been made. Based on my review of history, JG could be a fringe 5th option on a contending team (at best).

[PhoSita]

So if Green joined the Heat, he couldn't be the 4th best player on a championship team?

I like WS and WS/48 as general indicators of value, but I don't think it's fair to say that all of the guys you listed were better than Green is.

Any competent starter can be the 4th best player on a really good team.

[D.o.s.]

Based on my review of history, JG could be a fringe 5th option on a contending team (at best).

Well this part of your post is inarguable.

Based on my review of history, I should've worn warmer socks this morning.

[celticsclay]

When the list includes Bonner, a 35 year old Battier and a 34 year old Christ Anderson as better than Green it is hard to have a reasonable discussion. Do you honestly think those guys were better players than Green last year or this year?

[Eddie20]

When the list includes Bonner, a 35 year old Battier and a 34 year old Christ Anderson as better than Green it is hard to have a reasonable discussion. Do you honestly think those guys were better players than Green last year or this year?

Yes, of course they are. Switch teams and either Battier or Andersen would exceed Green's 43 points vs Miami last season. Forget last month's buzzer beater, with either Battier or Andersen we pound Miami by double digits.

C's Blog...where wp48, per, plus/minus, and any other metrics system formula pounds common sense into submission.

[Fafnir]

Common sense really shouldn't rely on 1 game and 1 shot respectively.

Though I can't say I think the OP's analysis is very good.

[Eddie20]

Common sense really shouldn't rely on 1 game and 1 shot respectively.

Though I can't say I think the OP's analysis is very good.

Just giving a couple of examples on 2 of the last 3 matchups between the players compared by the OP.  Green is better than both and it's not even close.

[mmmmm]

This post tells me more about your methodology than it does about Green or any of the players listed.

[celticsclay]

Common sense really shouldn't rely on 1 game and 1 shot respectively.

Though I can't say I think the OP's analysis is very good.

Just giving a couple of examples on 2 of the last 3 matchups between the players compared by the OP.  Green is better than both and it's not even close.

Also, this probably doesn't warrant any more additional research cause the players clearly are not comparable to Green, but in case you were curious in the playoffs last year Bonner averaged 13.5 minutes, 4 points and 2 rebounds. Even the most Apathetic Green on his worst nights puts up those kind of numbers, in addition to his far superior defense and athleticism

[jc3celticsphan]

people have no legit reasons to why they just throw out some crazy numbers and compare him to other players. knowing that this is the first time hes been a number 1 or 2 option, his role is diffrent on this team compared to any other season hes played

what doesnt anyone get about that

When the list includes Bonner, a 35 year old Battier and a 34 year old Christ Anderson as better than Green it is hard to have a reasonable discussion. Do you honestly think those guys were better players than Green last year or this year?

Yes, of course they are. Switch teams and either Battier or Andersen would exceed Green's 43 points vs Miami last season. Forget last month's buzzer beater, with either Battier or Andersen we pound Miami by double digits.

C's Blog...where wp48, per, plus/minus, and any other metrics system formula pounds common sense into submission.

i need some of that purple stuff you be smokin

battier and anderson scoring 43... they would never. i dont think either has ever reached 30 points in their career this is amusing the talent level is not even close

battier is known for being a lockdown defender why didnt he shut him down he sapose to be a better player or why didnt birdman stop him from finishing in the paint......

[Sketch5]

Of course the guys on the championship teams has better win numbers, the teams had winning seasons. Celtics have been a barley over .500 win team the last few seasons.

It's kinda B.S. to compare players on winning teams vs players on losing.

I say Green could be the 3rd best player on a championship team, not because of dumb numbers, but what he can do to fill in for what the other two can't do well.
 

[Eddie20]

people have no legit reasons to why they just throw out some crazy numbers and compare him to other players. knowing that this is the first time hes been a number 1 or 2 option, his role is diffrent on this team compared to any other season hes played

what doesnt anyone get about that

When the list includes Bonner, a 35 year old Battier and a 34 year old Christ Anderson as better than Green it is hard to have a reasonable discussion. Do you honestly think those guys were better players than Green last year or this year?

Yes, of course they are. Switch teams and either Battier or Andersen would exceed Green's 43 points vs Miami last season. Forget last month's buzzer beater, with either Battier or Andersen we pound Miami by double digits.

C's Blog...where wp48, per, plus/minus, and any other metrics system formula pounds common sense into submission.

i need some of that purple stuff you be smokin

battier and anderson scoring 43... they would never. i dont think either has ever reached 30 points in their career this is amusing the talent level is not even close

battier is known for being a lockdown defender why didnt he shut him down he sapose to be a better player or why didnt birdman stop him from finishing in the paint......

I thought the part I put in bold would indicate my sarcasm.

[PhoSita]

This post tells me more about your methodology than it does about Green or any of the players listed.

Yup

[GreenWarrior]

Ahhh stats...

[aporel#18]

I'd love to have Jeff Green as the 6th or 7th best player of a Celtic Championship team. Even as the human victory cigar.

But I've enjoyed D.o.s, Eddie20's and most responses in the thread.

You shouldn't take any statistic to the extreme, and as Sketch5 has pointed win shares don't translate from a team to another.

And even then, you shouldn't take seriously that BS labeling of players as "go-to-guy" "#1" "#2" et al. This is a team game, and you should be paying more attention to what this Celtics are doing on the court and less to stats. Team Ball is what takes you to victory, and that's true for every championship team since Shaq.