Minutes distribution when KO returns from injury

[nickagneta]

Maybe Sunshine doesn't get any minutes. Let's face it, he's playing the worst basketball of every Celtic forward not name Wallace and:

C's record playing KO.. 4-10
C's record not playing KO...5-2.

And before you KO fans start getting all crazy, but sorry, he has shown promise in maybe 2 games all year. He's been a stiff otherwise, especially defensively and shooting the ball.

And let's not hear again how he's one of this year's best rookies because this year's group of rooks absolutely suck so that means very little

[jade88]

* Standing Ovation!*

[jdz101]

I'm more interested in the minutes distribution at guard when Rondo returns...who misses out? Courtney?

[jade88]

I'm more interested in the minutes distribution at guard when Rondo returns...who misses out? Courtney?

I think so. Craw is better offensively and Bradley is better defensively.

[PhoSita]

Maybe Sunshine doesn't get any minutes. Let's face it, he's playing the worst basketball of every Celtic forward not name Wallace and:

C's record playing KO.. 4-10
C's record not playing KO...5-2.

And before you KO fans start getting all crazy, but sorry, he has shown promise in maybe 2 games all year. He's been a stiff otherwise, especially defensively and shooting the ball.

And let's not hear again how he's one of this year's best rookies because this year's group of rooks absolutely suck so that means very little

Kelly did not have a large enough role on the team for the record when he was playing to mean much of anything about his value.

For me, it's as simple as that Kelly has a future with the team, and Humphries does not.  Kelly had his ups and downs, no doubt.  He didn't light the world on fire.  But the team was actually pretty good with him on the floor -- especially him and Sullinger playing together. 

He's earned a spot in the rotation and his development is more important than a slight chance that the Celtics will win more with Humphries playing those minutes.

[nickagneta]

Maybe Sunshine doesn't get any minutes. Let's face it, he's playing the worst basketball of every Celtic forward not name Wallace and:

C's record playing KO.. 4-10
C's record not playing KO...5-2.

And before you KO fans start getting all crazy, but sorry, he has shown promise in maybe 2 games all year. He's been a stiff otherwise, especially defensively and shooting the ball.

And let's not hear again how he's one of this year's best rookies because this year's group of rooks absolutely suck so that means very little

Kelly did not have a large enough role on the team for the record when he was playing to mean much of anything about his value.

But the team was actually pretty good with him on the floor -- especially him and Sullinger playing together. 

Dude played 24 MPG for 14 games. That's a large enough role to have either a very positive or very negative effect on any team for 14 games.

Also, stats such as +/-, on court/off court, PER and simple rating show Olynyk being the worst player on the team this year.

At this point he's earned nothing and with a two game lead in the division the goal should be to win the division while getting playing time to bad rookies for development and.............

Oh why the hell am I arguing with you, You and LB33 are a couple of the worst "tankers" on the site. All you want are losses and Wiggins.


Nevermind.

[Snakehead]

I hope it just goes back to how it was.  Hump is playing pretty well but we need to be playing our young players.

[PhoSita]

Oh why the hell am I arguing with you, You and LB33 are a couple of the worst "tankers" on the site. All you want are losses and Wiggins.


Nevermind.

Oh geeze, imagine having higher priorities than winning the Atlantic Division.


Seems to me you've been down on Kelly from the start and you look really hard for any reason to be able to say that he's a bust, a stiff, and not worthy of being in the rotation.

[RockinRyA]

I wasnt a big fan of us drafting him, but I was ready to give him a chance. Then he tore up the SL and got my hopes up. Then training camp and reg season came and he has yet to prove he can get his shots in the NBA. He has good IQ, good passer but now Im wondering if he can get it together.

[PhoSita]

I wasnt a big fan of us drafting him, but I was ready to give him a chance. Then he tore up the SL and got my hopes up. Then training camp and reg season came and he has yet to prove he can get his shots in the NBA. He has good IQ, good passer but now Im wondering if he can get it together.

I'd say he's gotten his shots, they just haven't been falling consistently.  The form looks good though, and the decision-making is there.  It's not like he's failing to get his shot off due to lack of size or something.

Considering that he started the season dealing with plantar fasciitis, I'd say we ought to give him time before proclaiming him incapable of making it in the league.

A lot of what's being said about Kelly reminds of things that were said about Bradley early in his career.  Unlike Bradley, though, Kelly has never really looked overwhelmed or out-of-control out there.

[Tr1boy]

Starting unit for now

Sully + Bass

Off the bench

Olynyk + Humphries/Faverani (depending who is hot, matchup adv)

Olynyk is a big part of the future. If increasing his minutes means we are losing more, than give him less playing time. But i doubt he plays poorly

[BballTim]

Maybe Sunshine doesn't get any minutes. Let's face it, he's playing the worst basketball of every Celtic forward not name Wallace and:

C's record playing KO.. 4-10
C's record not playing KO...5-2.

And before you KO fans start getting all crazy, but sorry, he has shown promise in maybe 2 games all year. He's been a stiff otherwise, especially defensively and shooting the ball.

And let's not hear again how he's one of this year's best rookies because this year's group of rooks absolutely suck so that means very little

  I don't think it's that unusual for bigs that aren't picked at the top of the draft to struggle somewhat when they're rookies, and that shouldn't necessarily keep them anchored to the bench. I would have a different opinion if the team had title aspirations but evaluating/developing him has to be something of a priority this year.

[nickagneta]

Maybe Sunshine doesn't get any minutes. Let's face it, he's playing the worst basketball of every Celtic forward not name Wallace and:

C's record playing KO.. 4-10
C's record not playing KO...5-2.

And before you KO fans start getting all crazy, but sorry, he has shown promise in maybe 2 games all year. He's been a stiff otherwise, especially defensively and shooting the ball.

And let's not hear again how he's one of this year's best rookies because this year's group of rooks absolutely suck so that means very little

  I don't think it's that unusual for bigs that aren't picked at the top of the draft to struggle somewhat when they're rookies, and that shouldn't necessarily keep them anchored to the bench. I would have a different opinion if the team had title aspirations but evaluating/developing him has to be something of a priority this year.

I would agree if this team was destined for the bottom of the league. They're not. The rest of the league sucks worse and is tanking harder than they are.

So if the playoff look like a strong possibility it is incumbent upon this team to continue to play their very best players and try to win. putting bad rookies developments to the background. Why?

Playoff revenue?

The Celtics are estimated to make somewhere between $1-1.75 million per playoff game. A six game series, even with a first round loss could generate $5 million.

Tell me what ownership would value more, developing a "complimentary player" or playing well enough to maybe get good enough as a team to get to a second round series and maybe add ass much as $7-10 million in extra cash.

Me, I want playoff basketball over watching stiff boy, the same way I would never want to see Bradley getting time over someone useful to winning his rookie year.

And yes, I don't like Olynyk. One poster seemed to like my quote on him so very much, its in his sig. Glad he loves genius because so far I am a lot more right than wrong.

[clover]

I wasnt a big fan of us drafting him, but I was ready to give him a chance. Then he tore up the SL and got my hopes up. Then training camp and reg season came and he has yet to prove he can get his shots in the NBA. He has good IQ, good passer but now Im wondering if he can get it together.

I'd say he's gotten his shots, they just haven't been falling consistently.  The form looks good though, and the decision-making is there.  It's not like he's failing to get his shot off due to lack of size or something.

Considering that he started the season dealing with plantar fasciitis, I'd say we ought to give him time before proclaiming him incapable of making it in the league.

A lot of what's being said about Kelly reminds of things that were said about Bradley early in his career.  Unlike Bradley, though, Kelly has never really looked overwhelmed or out-of-control out there.

KO's also a 7-footer who has only played just over a dozen NBA games in his career. Yeah, he still needs to get stronger and he's a heady player who is clearly overthinking his game as he processes all that he is learning.

I'd have loved for him to come out of the shoot playing like crazy, but he's clearly still getting acclimated. And there have been good signs of his holding his own defensively.

Wouldn't surprise me if both Bass and Humphries are moved in the next six weeks, Rondo isn't back in that time, and we see the team going through a new learning curve as the season progresses.

Better IMO to take their time bringing KO back and to showcase Bass and Humphries more through the next month. Only a week until midseason trading picks up and Humphries can go in a combination deal.

[PhoSita]

So if the playoff look like a strong possibility it is incumbent upon this team to continue to play their very best players and try to win. putting bad rookies developments to the background. Why?

Playoff revenue?

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And yes, I don't like Olynyk. One poster seemed to like my quote on him so very much, its in his sig. Glad he loves genius because so far I am a lot more right than wrong.

I'm glad to say that Wyc aren't so short-sighted that they value playoff revenue from a couple of home playoff games as highly as you seem to.


Also I find it interesting that you think you're so much better a talent evaluator than the overwhelming majority of experts (i.e. people who evaluate NBA talent for a living) who have spoken or written publicly about Olynyk.