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Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2013, 11:00:08 PM »

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 A Good Point. Let's take it further. Correct me if I'm wrong before that Ainge first round picks that we kept are, Marcus Banks and Perkins, Big Al, Tony Allen And Delonte Again Same draft, Gerald Green, Rondo, And oh yeah my man JR Giddens.

 1 Stud
 1 20 and 10 guy
 Tony Rock solid asset
 Delonte above average player
 Perk solid center
 And two busts.
 
 So this should be factored into your recent 75% success rate.
 

Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2013, 11:03:37 PM »

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really tough question... in the c's situation, i think i might trade 4 picks for a top-3 chance. the c's already have some nice solid young players and prospects, but what we really need is that grade-A cornerstone player. the odds of getting such a player increase exponentially when picking early in the draft. those players can occasionally be found later (pierce 10th, dirk 10, nash 15, kobe 13), but most of the true franchise players come earlier. and that's not to say that there aren't plenty of all-stars to be found deeper in the draft, because there are. but most titles are won by a team with at least one of the top-5 or top-10 players in the league. that's a player that dominates his position almost every night. right now the c's don't really have that player.

Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2013, 12:08:13 AM »

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If Boston lands Wiggins, Parker or Randle with a top 3 pick... how would you feel about giving up that potential superstar for 4 future picks that might be in the 20-30 range?  You cool with it?

Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2013, 12:50:23 AM »

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If Boston lands Wiggins, Parker or Randle with a top 3 pick... how would you feel about giving up that potential superstar for 4 future picks that might be in the 20-30 range?  You cool with it?

Absolutely.  You always trade quantity for quality in the NBA.

Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2013, 01:09:55 AM »

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Nobody??? I beg to differ. You know how many scouts are drooling over Parker right now. There is a reason this draft is the best since Lebron's class. And a reason last years was a bad class. I know Parker, Randle are sure fire multiple all stars.   
You....know?  No, you suspect, you hope, you have reason to believe, you may even have a strong pre-sentiment...but you don't have a time machine.

Unless you've seen the future, you're just guessing.  There are a lot of sure-fire prospects that haven't panned out.  Some of them didn't make it, some of them just had bad luck.  In the bad luck category are players like Oden, Derrick Rose (missing two seasons and counting...), Yao Ming (in the league nine years, played more than 60 games in only 4 of them, missed one year completely),  Jay Williams (taken at number 2), Shaun Livingston (at number 4 -both Duke guys), and a fellow by the name of Len Bias.   It happens that consensus top of the draft players don't always pan out as HoF studs.

Drooling Scouts do make mistakes.  At the time, Emeka Okafor was actually endorsed by a lot of people in the know as a better choice for the #1 pick over Dwight Howard. 

I'm curious - have you seen Parker, Randle, or Wiggins  play a full game? 

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Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2013, 01:13:54 AM »

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really tough question... in the c's situation, i think i might trade 4 picks for a top-3 chance. the c's already have some nice solid young players and prospects, but what we really need is that grade-A cornerstone player. the odds of getting such a player increase exponentially when picking early in the draft. those players can occasionally be found later (pierce 10th, dirk 10, nash 15, kobe 13), but most of the true franchise players come earlier. and that's not to say that there aren't plenty of all-stars to be found deeper in the draft, because there are. but most titles are won by a team with at least one of the top-5 or top-10 players in the league. that's a player that dominates his position almost every night. right now the c's don't really have that player.

No it's not. 4 mid round picks for a top 3 pick should be the easiest decision ever made.
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« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2013, 04:05:12 AM »

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If Boston lands Wiggins, Parker or Randle with a top 3 pick... how would you feel about giving up that potential superstar for 4 future picks that might be in the 20-30 range?  You cool with it?

Absolutely.  You always trade quantity for quality in the NBA.
I'm not sure if you misinterpreted me or if I'm misinterpreting you.

I'm asking for people to flip it around.  Imagine Boston bottomed out and landed a Top 3 pick in the lotto and took Jabari Parker.  Would you be happy if Danny Ainge then trading Jabari Parker for 4 future draft picks that could end up in the 20-30 range? 

My guess is you'd be pretty mad about it.  So that should answer any question about whether or not you would or could give up 4 future picks for a Top 3 in this draft.  Not happenin.

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« Reply #37 on: December 06, 2013, 04:48:49 AM »

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It would probably only be possible to make a trade for #3 if we had a pick around #5 ourselves. So the trade would probably not be four picks for one straight up, but rather like climbing a ladder with each of the four picks. And still rather unlikely in 2014.

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« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2013, 06:19:46 AM »

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Nobody??? I beg to differ. You know how many scouts are drooling over Parker right now. There is a reason this draft is the best since Lebron's class. And a reason last years was a bad class. I know Parker, Randle are sure fire multiple all stars.   
You....know?  No, you suspect, you hope, you have reason to believe, you may even have a strong pre-sentiment...but you don't have a time machine.

Unless you've seen the future, you're just guessing.  There are a lot of sure-fire prospects that haven't panned out.  Some of them didn't make it, some of them just had bad luck.  In the bad luck category are players like Oden, Derrick Rose (missing two seasons and counting...), Yao Ming (in the league nine years, played more than 60 games in only 4 of them, missed one year completely),  Jay Williams (taken at number 2), Shaun Livingston (at number 4 -both Duke guys), and a fellow by the name of Len Bias.   It happens that consensus top of the draft players don't always pan out as HoF studs.

Drooling Scouts do make mistakes.  At the time, Emeka Okafor was actually endorsed by a lot of people in the know as a better choice for the #1 pick over Dwight Howard. 

I'm curious - have you seen Parker, Randle, or Wiggins  play a full game?

 Yes Section I've seen all of them play this year. And I love Parker and Randle Wiggins I'm more unsure of. Smart is just a beast for a guard as well.

Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2013, 06:21:49 AM »

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If Boston lands Wiggins, Parker or Randle with a top 3 pick... how would you feel about giving up that potential superstar for 4 future picks that might be in the 20-30 range?  You cool with it?

Absolutely.  You always trade quantity for quality in the NBA.
I'm not sure if you misinterpreted me or if I'm misinterpreting you.

I'm asking for people to flip it around.  Imagine Boston bottomed out and landed a Top 3 pick in the lotto and took Jabari Parker.  Would you be happy if Danny Ainge then trading Jabari Parker for 4 future draft picks that could end up in the 20-30 range? 

My guess is you'd be pretty mad about it.  So that should answer any question about whether or not you would or could give up 4 future picks for a Top 3 in this draft.  Not happenin.
But it wouldn't be 4 future picks, because no team is making that trade without both of Boston's 2014 picks.  So the trade would include 2 current picks, one of which is almost definitely going to be in the lottery.
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Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #40 on: December 06, 2013, 06:36:55 AM »

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Numbers can't explain everything. Of course you'd trade the house for a chance to get an MVP caliber player on paper, but trades aren't made on paper, they're made by people with a lot of different motivations.

First of all, if you are the GM with the top 3 pick you want to maximize the pick's value, right? But you also want to keep your job... so you aren't looking at it in an objective way. If you trade the pick you can get a lot of criticism not only if the player picked there is great, but also with the next 15 players or so... how do you feel about it? Also, you know you could pick the next Sam Bowie, Greg Oden or Darko, but you feel you can make it and draft the next Jordan, Durant or whoever. The risk perception of trading the top 3 pick is bigger, by a lot.

On the other side, if you're trading 4 unprotected picks (the other side will ask for them, as they see themselves risking a lot) you are focused on a player who will be available when you pick. It's one thing if you're getting #1 pick, and very different if it's #3, because as you go down on your draft board, you're less certain to make it right. Also, you need a lot of confidence and job security to take that gamble: you only have a chance to strike gold, if you screw it you're exposed. Danny seems like a guy who would take that risk, but if he traded 4 first rounders to pick the next Derrick Williams, Ben Gordon or you name it, he better make another KG trade.

I think it's very unlikely, and I'm fine with that. It's still very soon, but if you look at mock drafts, there are a lot of great prospects outside the lottery and even in the 2nd round. We shouldn't put our eggs on the 2014 Draft top 3 when everyone is buying into it. Sell high, buy on the cheap. Danny's drafting is quite good, and I'm sure he'd strike gold with that top 3 pick, but I'd still keep the 4 first rounders and get the flexibility and the chance to draft the next Rondo/Marc Gasol year in and year out.

Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #41 on: December 06, 2013, 08:27:06 AM »

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I think some people for get we have 9 first rounders to play with in the next 5 drafts. If we gave up 4 we still have 5 to play with as long as they don't get use in other trades.

For Parker I'd do it in a heart beat. Wiggins may have more upside according to some people, but he could very well be a Vice Carter type player. Wiggins is a beast. Randle is good, but we have Sully, and KO could be good as well.

If you do both of this years, our 2 picks this year if at least one of them is in the lotto. Our pick in 2016 ad Brooklyn's in 2018 or ours, we could flip picks as well. 

Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #42 on: December 06, 2013, 08:51:19 AM »

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It would depend on the picks involved and which players are on the board when the pick we trade for is up.
it's not just top 3 that are projected as super players but top 5 with Smart and Exum projected to go in the draft.

for example, supposing the East rights itself and C's fall into the lottery as expected instead of winning the East, they could have a pick around 7 or 8 this year on their own and say another pick around 17/18 from the Hawks/Nets situation. 
Those picks together should net the C's either a move up to 5 or a potential all-star and solid role player for the team.
Say the C's were to add in the Clips first from next year, another solid draft is speculated, which could swing from late teens to mid-20's barring an implosion on that team.  that pick thrown in should move the C's up to at least 3 or 4 in this draft. 

in this scenario, giving up a 4th pick or even a 3rd pick is questionable.  As much as I like the top 3 players, the next 2 on the list are projected all-stars as well. 

on the other hand, if the C's make the playoffs and get an even worse pick from the Nets/Hawks, then I think the 4 pick situation may be a possibility if there's some protection on the picks in future drafts.