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Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2013, 05:11:39 PM »

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No.  I'd only trade a package like that for a proven NBA All Star.  4 picks is to much to gamble.  Not every player will turn out.

I.E. 2 future first's for Kevin Love

Back in the Oden draft, we're you willing to trade 4 first rounders for Oden at #1 overall ?

Again, bad gamble on just 1 asset who's unproven.

Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2013, 05:39:37 PM »

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 Oden is a bad example. Terrible injury history, you wouldn't trade multiple picks for Sully because of his back pre draft.

 Would you trade 4 picks for Durant? Yes. Lebron Yes. Carmelo Pre-Draft Yes. Randle, Wiggins, Parker, Yes. I'm not sold on Wiggins yet. He's got the rest of the year to change my mind.

Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2013, 05:41:25 PM »

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We would other teams won't.   That number one can really be good, four first rounders later in the draft is a huge crap shoot.   The number is risky but much less so.

Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2013, 05:55:06 PM »

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If we are talking about trading 9, 18, LAC 1st, and 2016 1st for #3 then I don't think I'd do it.  I mean nbadraft.net currently has Noah Venloh at 9 and Dario Saric at 18 (but Aaron Gordon is at 17).  I mean those seem like pretty solid players, not to mention you have no idea what picks or whom would be available with the other 2 picks.  I get that Wiggins, Parker, Randle, and even Embiid look like studs, but that is a lot to give up for one totally unproven player.
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Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2013, 06:29:04 PM »

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 Oden is a bad example. Terrible injury history, you wouldn't trade multiple picks for Sully because of his back pre draft.

 Would you trade 4 picks for Durant? Yes. Lebron Yes. Carmelo Pre-Draft Yes. Randle, Wiggins, Parker, Yes. I'm not sold on Wiggins yet. He's got the rest of the year to change my mind.

It's always great when you know the future. So sure, 4 picks looks great for Durant right now.  Why wasn't he picked ahead of Oden at the time ?  Why was Oden the consensus #1 pick by most GM's ?

Nobody, and I mean nobody knows what Parker, Randle, and the rest will do.  Just like if you re-drafted right now, nobody would hesitate to jump on Rondo in his draft at #1 or #2 instead of letting him fall to #21.

Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2013, 06:35:30 PM »

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I guess another question would be, who would you trade 4 first round picks for? I understand not wanting to trade for a player who is unknown (although I would still do it), but are there any current players on who we could use those picks? If there is any team in the nba who has spare picks, it's the Celtics.

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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2013, 07:08:15 PM »

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It all depends on which 4 picks.

Our 2 picks this year plus the LAC 2015 pick and a lottery protected pick between 2016-18? Yeah I'd do that.

But by the same logic why would another terrible team pass up on a 2014 top 3 pick for 4 future (most likely) non top 5 picks?

If you're bad enough to warrant a top 3 pick you need to go after the player who could be your future franchise cornerstone. And if you happen to be an ok team that has the ping pong balls fall your way, why fight fate? Take the the highly touted prospects and hope you have the next Durant/LeBron/Kobe

Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2013, 07:56:07 PM »

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Trade four first round picks to move up the top three and get chance to draft a potential Superstar?

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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2013, 08:06:32 PM »

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Awfully risky, Pick wrong and your dead.

Just ask Detroit about the Darko pick that experts KNEW he was the next great foreign player, or Portland about Oden that experts KNEW he was the next Shaq. One bad pick and your done. Some GMs might do it. Smart ones like Danny won't


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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2013, 08:21:38 PM »

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Awfully risky, Pick wrong and your dead.

Just ask Detroit about the Darko pick that experts KNEW he was the next great foreign player, or Portland about Oden that experts KNEW he was the next Shaq. One bad pick and your done. Some GMs might do it. Smart ones like Danny won't

To be fair with Oden, he was the next big thing (not Shaq) until injuries hit him. Unlike Darko, Greg was just unlucky with injuries. But we saw what Oden can do in his small, somewhat 80% stint, and he was very solid. Imagine a healthy Oden and he developed well, the Blazers probably would be contenders since 2009. (another What if?)

I think this is a risk Danny, as smart as he is, should be willing to take. Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker and Julius Randle is already looking like at worst (at worst) NBA starters and at best, the next crop of Superstars. It's also a very good risk in a sense that we have PLENTY of first rounders, nine for the next 5 years. As Vince McMahon said, "you take calculated risks". I think we can afford gambling 4 of those for the potential those three has.
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Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2013, 08:24:47 PM »

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Awfully risky, Pick wrong and your dead.

Just ask Detroit about the Darko pick that experts KNEW he was the next great foreign player, or Portland about Oden that experts KNEW he was the next Shaq. One bad pick and your done. Some GMs might do it. Smart ones like Danny won't
Yup, or you could get an Andrew Bogut level guy.

Nice player, but all those picks would cripple you going forward.

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« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2013, 08:55:25 PM »

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Yes 100%
Danny would find a way to make it 3 picks + Brooks and Crawford (signed to extensions) hehe
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Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2013, 09:13:05 PM »

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 Oden is a bad example. Terrible injury history, you wouldn't trade multiple picks for Sully because of his back pre draft.

 Would you trade 4 picks for Durant? Yes. Lebron Yes. Carmelo Pre-Draft Yes. Randle, Wiggins, Parker, Yes. I'm not sold on Wiggins yet. He's got the rest of the year to change my mind.

It's always great when you know the future. So sure, 4 picks looks great for Durant right now.  Why wasn't he picked ahead of Oden at the time ?  Why was Oden the consensus #1 pick by most GM's ?

Nobody, and I mean nobody knows what Parker, Randle, and the rest will do.  Just like if you re-drafted right now, nobody would hesitate to jump on Rondo in his draft at #1 or #2 instead of letting him fall to #21.

Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2013, 09:16:35 PM »

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 Oden is a bad example. Terrible injury history, you wouldn't trade multiple picks for Sully because of his back pre draft.

 Would you trade 4 picks for Durant? Yes. Lebron Yes. Carmelo Pre-Draft Yes. Randle, Wiggins, Parker, Yes. I'm not sold on Wiggins yet. He's got the rest of the year to change my mind.

It's always great when you know the future. So sure, 4 picks looks great for Durant right now.  Why wasn't he picked ahead of Oden at the time ?  Why was Oden the consensus #1 pick by most GM's ?

Nobody, and I mean nobody knows what Parker, Randle, and the rest will do.  Just like if you re-drafted right now, nobody would hesitate to jump on Rondo in his draft at #1 or #2 instead of letting him fall to #21.

 Nobody??? I beg to differ. You know how many scouts are drooling over Parker right now. There is a reason this draft is the best since Lebron's class. And a reason last years was a bad class. I know Parker, Randle are sure fire multiple all stars.   

Re: Would you trade four first rounders for a top three pick.
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2013, 09:35:43 PM »

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I would think about it, but then I'd say no.

Why?

This season we got Olynyk with what - the 13th pick?  He's a 7 footer with excellent passing skills, excellent hands, excellent foot work, an inside-outside offensive game (even if he's struggled so far) and he's also so far been a better rebounder than expected (about 10 per 36 minutes).  He is a guy who would add some value to any potential trade, yet even if we kept him he would probably become a very solid starter for years to come.

Last season we chose Sullinger and Fab with picks up around the 20s.  Sullinger was a gamble because of his back, but right now he's starting to look like one of the top 5 or players of that draft and is arguably our second best (at the very least third best) player.  Another guy who would add significant value to the Celtics either in a trade or on the court. 

Fab was a gamble and everybody knew it, but Danny took a chance on a 7 foot, 260 pound big man with decent mobility and excellent shot-blocking skills.  Fab never worked out (at least not yet) and so that was somewhat of a wasted pick.

Before this Danny chose Bradley with a pick which was (from memory) in the teens.  Bradley has turned out to be an extremely athletic guard with elite defensive skills.  While he's not yet a big asset on offense, he does contribute there (13 PPG on around 44% shooting) and he's rebounding pretty well too.  Another young guy who could add significant value to any trade, and who is also a good asset on the court.

That's four guys who have been selected between 10 and 25, and three of those four guys look like they will add significant value to the team either a trade asset or a roster asset.  If we combined all three of those guys in a trade, we probably get a pretty good player in return.

Lets say those picks were all last season, and we traded all four of them for the #2 pick, and in return we got Robinson.  Robinson was predicted by most to be one of the most surefire players in that draft, yet he's turned out a bit of a dissapointment...it would be fair to argue that Sully is the better player right now.   A combination of Sully, Bradley, Fab and Olynyk would be infinately more valuable than just Robinson.

Ultimately it would depend on how high the picks are.  If every one of those four picks was likely to be in the 25-30 range then I'd be much more likely to do it...but even then it's a gamble.  If those picks are spread between 10 and 25 (10, 15, 20, 25) then there is a very high chance that you would get one or two very good starting players out of those four picks, and there's even a decent chance you'll pick up a future All-Star (think Boozer, Arenas) with one of those picks.  In order to get more value from your top 3 pick then from those four first-rounders combined, you would pretty much have to get a bonafide All Star out of that top 3 pick.  Any less and you have got the worst end of the deal.

Now, even if you don't get an All Star from one of your 4 first rounders, you will probably get at least two solid starters and one capable rotation playerout of that.  You cold probably trade those three guys and get a borderline (Josh Smith, Monta Ellis, etc) or potential future All-Star (Bledsoe, etc) without much trouble.  Just more options there.