Challenge: Help Trade Boston Down the Standings

[saltlover]

Bass+Wallace+Lee

For

Stoudamire+Hardaway Jr.  (And maybe a pick in the very distant future).

Makes us worse and New York better, which has a double effect on the standings.  Also clears $15.8 million from the cap in the 2015 offseason.

EDIT:  Probably need to throw in MarShon as well to keep under the luxury tax this season.

[BballTim]

Trading Bass is probably the easiest way to lose more as it'd really disrupt our big man rotation.

He's  the veteran who the C's likely aren't keeping past his current deal (given Sullinger/Olynyk are PFs naturally)

  Depends on what happens. Humphries would get some of his minutes, Sully would get others. It might even out in the end. When Olynyk gets back we have a spare big, when Rondo gets back we have a spare guard. Losing Wallace could possibly hurt the most.

[Yb2]

I am in as long as we get some picks.  If I'm the Knicks, I'd be begging DA.

[Moranis]

Trade 1
Boston - Wallace, Bass, Lee
New York - Amare, Hardaway Jr.

Trade 2
Boston - Bennett, Waiters
Cleveland - Deng, Bradley (first try to keep him, but probably have to give him up)
Chicago - Green, Gee

Trade 3
Boston - MKG, Walker, Taylor, Portland 2014 1st (I'd shoot for adding Detroit's 1st, but I don't think they do it)
Charlotte - Rondo


New Roster = worst team in the league, but with a lot more young players and draft picks.

[JBcat]

I'll start off with the trade 3 team trade I proposed the in the Celtics/Bulls/and Knicks thread in which I got some positive feedback on.

Trade #1
Celtics get Amare (2 years left of his deal)
Knicks get Boozer and Wallace
Bulls get Humphries, Lee, and Shrumpert (clears enough salary room for the Bulls to re-sign Deng without going over the tax)
We could possibly get a first from either team or both (in Knicks case 2018 pick)

Trade #2
Trade Bass to Spurs for the expiring contracts Matt Bonner, De Colo, M. Thomas (maybe cut the latter 2 after trade) and a protected future first.  The Spurs are all in at this point, and could probably use some frontcourt depth. 

Trade #3
Trade Jeff Green at his highest value I think for T. Prince with 2 years left of his deal and we could get at least one first round pick back to us.

This might make us bad enough for a top 5 pick without totally gutting our team.  Our roster would look like this with possibly 3 or so more draft picks coming our way that Ainge can use as assets to keep or trade. 

Rondo, Crawford, Pressey.
Bradley, Brooks, Bogans
Prince
Sully, Amare, Bonner
KO, Fav

Have 3 open rosters that Ainge can fill out however he likes.   

[D.o.s.]

Four team trade:

Boston receives: A'mare, Bargs, rights to the worse between Denver's 2014 and NY's 2014.

Knicks receive: Rondo, Wallace, Bass, Lee.

Denver receives: Ian Mahimi, Avery Bradley.

Pacers receive: Andre Miller





...I just really want to see Andre Miller on the Pacers.

[gpap]

I don't understand the idea or need to want to see the Celtics trade down in the standings.

I really don't.

They're in first place in the Atlantic Division, let's enjoy it.

[BleedGreen1989]

I don't understand the idea or need to want to see the Celtics trade down in the standings.

I really don't.

They're in first place in the Atlantic Division, let's enjoy it.

This is more of an eye towards the future.

I'm not looking to give away talent to get worse, but if you can exchange future talent for present talent I think that's a good plan.

[dreamgreen]

I would never trade away good players for bad ones in hopes that we get a better one in the draft. To me that is saying every week someone hits the lottery, but we have to remember every week more people lose everything they have than people win the lottery.

I'm going to hold out hope that we don't make the playoffs and get a good pick without doing anything stupid (like trading Rondo for a bag of chips).

I agree with one of the other posters that getting rid of Bass would hurt our team the most IMO.

If we can keep Rondo, JG, Sully, KO and maybe AB I would prefer that.

Everyone else should be given away to make us worse, that I agree with.

Boston - Wallace, Bass, Lee
New York - Amare, Hardaway Jr.

That's a good start in the right direction.

[Rondohara]

Wonder if Houston would be up for Jeff Green and a future pick for Asik.

I wouldn't, Houston probably would. I doubt anybody will offer them something like that.

I don't want to see us going down the standings, but Lee, Wallace and Humphries for Amare makes sense. Have to play the money game sometimes. If they get signal this trade, it would be hard for us to say no. After that trade the Celtics would be pretty much "King of the Hill" on trade talks next season, with all the young talent a huge amount of picks and expirings to offer, we would just be waiting for THAT star(s) to get on the market to go and get him.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Wonder if Houston would be up for Jeff Green and a future pick for Asik.

I think they'd just do it just for Jeff Green. I think they might even throw in a second pick or something to do it.

They need a stretch 4. Howard more than covers JG's defensive deficiencies. JG is an amazing 3rd option.

[gpap]

I would never trade away good players for bad ones in hopes that we get a better one in the draft. To me that is saying every week someone hits the lottery, but we have to remember every week more people lose everything they have than people win the lottery.

I'm going to hold out hope that we don't make the playoffs and get a good pick without doing anything stupid (like trading Rondo for a bag of chips).

I agree with one of the other posters that getting rid of Bass would hurt our team the most IMO.

If we can keep Rondo, JG, Sully, KO and maybe AB I would prefer that.

Everyone else should be given away to make us worse, that I agree with.

Boston - Wallace, Bass, Lee
New York - Amare, Hardaway Jr.

That's a good start in the right direction.

Why would not want to see us in the playoffs? You just said yourself that banking on the lottery is a gamble. It's as much of a gamble to hope the team doesn't succeed this year, only so we can better next year with a draft pick which may or may not pan out.

Risk involved with that as well.

[oldtype]

Wonder if Houston would be up for Jeff Green and a future pick for Asik.

I think they'd just do it just for Jeff Green. I think they might even throw in a second pick or something to do it.

They need a stretch 4. Howard more than covers JG's defensive deficiencies. JG is an amazing 3rd option.

I'd be all over it for a straight swap. It's the perfect trade. We get terrible in the short term because we give away our main attacking threat and start Wallace at SF, but get a very good building block that fills up the hard to fill center position long term. Puts us in with a chance to get Wiggins/Parker/one of the other numerous wing prospects in the draft and instantly replace Green as well.

Green seems like a perfect complementary piece for Houston too.

[aporel#18]

I'll start off with the trade 3 team trade I proposed the in the Celtics/Bulls/and Knicks thread in which I got some positive feedback on.

Trade #1
Celtics get Amare (2 years left of his deal)
Knicks get Boozer and Wallace
Bulls get Humphries, Lee, and Shrumpert (clears enough salary room for the Bulls to re-sign Deng without going over the tax)
We could possibly get a first from either team or both (in Knicks case 2018 pick)

TP. I'd do that trade tomorrow if the Bulls are giving us the Charlotte first rounder, the Knicks should give a future pick to the Bulls if needed, as they're getting the best player in the trade. That way trade works for all three teams.

Then, after freeing 2 more roster spots and almost 5M in salaries, I'd take a deep breath and figure out what's next. You could sign Kendall Marshall and/or Jason Collins for cheap on multi-year contracts with only this year guaranteed. This way, you could have a July 10th - July 12th window to let unguaranteed contracts expire and use the Pierce Trade Exception if there's a good trade. That'd be great flexibility.

You could also make more trades, but this trade alone would make the Celtics worse, while helping New York's record and our young kids development. It's not like you have to sell every player, just have a better chance to a top 10 pick.

[BleedGreen1989]

I would never trade away good players for bad ones in hopes that we get a better one in the draft. To me that is saying every week someone hits the lottery, but we have to remember every week more people lose everything they have than people win the lottery.

I'm going to hold out hope that we don't make the playoffs and get a good pick without doing anything stupid (like trading Rondo for a bag of chips).

I agree with one of the other posters that getting rid of Bass would hurt our team the most IMO.

If we can keep Rondo, JG, Sully, KO and maybe AB I would prefer that.

Everyone else should be given away to make us worse, that I agree with.

Boston - Wallace, Bass, Lee
New York - Amare, Hardaway Jr.

That's a good start in the right direction.

It's not trading away good players for nothing in hopes of improving your lottery balls. I'm firmly against that and that's a good way to destroy your team. Danny don't play like dat (Homie Da Clown voice)

However, trading away players who are helping us win this season for players that will help us win past this season is a good plan and I imagine the direction Danny will take. While still getting equal "value" of course...