Trade idea with CLE

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  I'm generally pretty high on Irving but his play hasn't been that great this year. Has he been injured? If he's going to lead the Celts to the playoffs shouldn't the Cavs be doing better than they are?

You try playing in Mike Brown's offense -- guy is dead meat.

By the way, no chance Cleveland trades Irving for Rondo. None.

[Smitty77]

Irving has really had an underwhelming year thus far.  He is currently at ONLY a 17.2 efficiency rating according to ESPN.

I am NOT as enthralled with him as most.

I bet Rondo will be around a +17 in his first 2 weeks back from a torn ACL!!!!

You all realize that Rondo is around a +23 player and around a +30 in the playoffs, right??

What has Kyrie done in the playoffs or in the NCAA tourney for that matter?  NOTHING!!!!

Smitty77

[Fafnir]

Just the ages of Kryie/Rondo make such a swap appealing for Boston. Kyrie's play this year worries me, as does his overall lack of growth as a PG and creator for his team. Rondo has his ACL so both sides would be quesy about it.

Of course I wouldn't make such a trade till I knew where the C's first round pick is. If we get in the top 3 via the lottery then I'm not trading any of them for Irving alone, let alone + Rondo.

[BballTim]

  I'm generally pretty high on Irving but his play hasn't been that great this year. Has he been injured? If he's going to lead the Celts to the playoffs shouldn't the Cavs be doing better than they are?

You try playing in Mike Brown's offense -- guy is dead meat.

By the way, no chance Cleveland trades Irving for Rondo. None.

  Fine with me.

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Just the ages of Kryie/Rondo make such a swap appealing for Boston. Kyrie's play this year worries me, as does his overall lack of growth as a PG and creator for his team. Rondo has his ACL so both sides would be quesy about it.

Of course I wouldn't make such a trade till I knew where the C's first round pick is. If we get in the top 3 via the lottery then I'm not trading any of them for Irving alone, let alone + Rondo.

Very fair point re: the draft -- didn't see the pick part. I just think it's not real to think of Rondo in these scenarios, short of including a high pick. Example of what i'm talking about (via ESPN chat):


Joe (NY): What kind of deals would you expect to be available for Rondo?

Chad Ford: Totally depends on how he looks when he gets back on the court. If it's the old Rondo, I think Ainge may be able to get another young player or draft pick for him. He's not going to get a star, but that's OK. Ainge is looking for assets. I know Ainge and company keep saying they won't trade Rondo, but if they get a good offer, I'm pretty sure he's gone. You have to say that to keep up his trade value.

[BballTim]

Just the ages of Kryie/Rondo make such a swap appealing for Boston. Kyrie's play this year worries me, as does his overall lack of growth as a PG and creator for his team. Rondo has his ACL so both sides would be quesy about it.

Of course I wouldn't make such a trade till I knew where the C's first round pick is. If we get in the top 3 via the lottery then I'm not trading any of them for Irving alone, let alone + Rondo.

Very fair point re: the draft -- didn't see the pick part. I just think it's not real to think of Rondo in these scenarios, short of including a high pick. Example of what i'm talking about (via ESPN chat):


Joe (NY): What kind of deals would you expect to be available for Rondo?

Chad Ford: Totally depends on how he looks when he gets back on the court. If it's the old Rondo, I think Ainge may be able to get another young player or draft pick for him. He's not going to get a star, but that's OK. Ainge is looking for assets. I know Ainge and company keep saying they won't trade Rondo, but if they get a good offer, I'm pretty sure he's gone. You have to say that to keep up his trade value.

  There was an article in the Herald recently that quoted another nba GM saying pretty much the opposite of what Ford said.

[Moranis]

Trade will never happen from Cleveland's perspective.  I think a far more likely trade is one centered on Waiters and Bradley.

How about this 3 team trade?

Chicago - Green, Gee
Boston - Bennett, Waiters
Cleveland - Deng, Bradley

Boston gets younger talented players who are locked up longer at cheaper dollars.

Chicago gets more long term certainty and better depth and flexibility (Green can play some at PF, while Deng can't and Gee is a respectable backup).

Cleveland gets a lot better this year and actually gains more cap space this summer (if they don't keep Deng or Bradley).

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Just the ages of Kryie/Rondo make such a swap appealing for Boston. Kyrie's play this year worries me, as does his overall lack of growth as a PG and creator for his team. Rondo has his ACL so both sides would be quesy about it.

Of course I wouldn't make such a trade till I knew where the C's first round pick is. If we get in the top 3 via the lottery then I'm not trading any of them for Irving alone, let alone + Rondo.

Very fair point re: the draft -- didn't see the pick part. I just think it's not real to think of Rondo in these scenarios, short of including a high pick. Example of what i'm talking about (via ESPN chat):


Joe (NY): What kind of deals would you expect to be available for Rondo?

Chad Ford: Totally depends on how he looks when he gets back on the court. If it's the old Rondo, I think Ainge may be able to get another young player or draft pick for him. He's not going to get a star, but that's OK. Ainge is looking for assets. I know Ainge and company keep saying they won't trade Rondo, but if they get a good offer, I'm pretty sure he's gone. You have to say that to keep up his trade value.

  There was an article in the Herald recently that quoted another nba GM saying pretty much the opposite of what Ford said.

It's nice of Flip Saunders to help Ainge boost Rondo's trade value -- he's not trading for Rondo anyway. It doesn't make Chad Ford wrong (if they trade Rondo), no matter how much you love Rondo.

This is where the thread goes Rondo-homer. I'm out.

[LooseCannon]

A more realistic target from Cleveland I'd keep an eye on is Varajeo.

I think he'd be PERFECT for the Celtics right now. HIm and Sully would be great together.

And yes, I would give up Olynyk for him.

Not sure why the Cavs would trade Varejao unless he had an injury that had him projected as being out for 12 months.

[BballTim]

Just the ages of Kryie/Rondo make such a swap appealing for Boston. Kyrie's play this year worries me, as does his overall lack of growth as a PG and creator for his team. Rondo has his ACL so both sides would be quesy about it.

Of course I wouldn't make such a trade till I knew where the C's first round pick is. If we get in the top 3 via the lottery then I'm not trading any of them for Irving alone, let alone + Rondo.

Very fair point re: the draft -- didn't see the pick part. I just think it's not real to think of Rondo in these scenarios, short of including a high pick. Example of what i'm talking about (via ESPN chat):


Joe (NY): What kind of deals would you expect to be available for Rondo?

Chad Ford: Totally depends on how he looks when he gets back on the court. If it's the old Rondo, I think Ainge may be able to get another young player or draft pick for him. He's not going to get a star, but that's OK. Ainge is looking for assets. I know Ainge and company keep saying they won't trade Rondo, but if they get a good offer, I'm pretty sure he's gone. You have to say that to keep up his trade value.

  There was an article in the Herald recently that quoted another nba GM saying pretty much the opposite of what Ford said.

It's nice of Flip Saunders to help Ainge boost Rondo's trade value -- he's not trading for Rondo anyway. It doesn't make Chad Ford wrong (if they trade Rondo), no matter how much you love Rondo.

This is where the thread goes Rondo-homer. I'm out.

  You're going to claim that GMs deliberately boost the trade value of players on other teams and then drop out of the conversation? Bummer.

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Just the ages of Kryie/Rondo make such a swap appealing for Boston. Kyrie's play this year worries me, as does his overall lack of growth as a PG and creator for his team. Rondo has his ACL so both sides would be quesy about it.

Of course I wouldn't make such a trade till I knew where the C's first round pick is. If we get in the top 3 via the lottery then I'm not trading any of them for Irving alone, let alone + Rondo.

Very fair point re: the draft -- didn't see the pick part. I just think it's not real to think of Rondo in these scenarios, short of including a high pick. Example of what i'm talking about (via ESPN chat):


Joe (NY): What kind of deals would you expect to be available for Rondo?

Chad Ford: Totally depends on how he looks when he gets back on the court. If it's the old Rondo, I think Ainge may be able to get another young player or draft pick for him. He's not going to get a star, but that's OK. Ainge is looking for assets. I know Ainge and company keep saying they won't trade Rondo, but if they get a good offer, I'm pretty sure he's gone. You have to say that to keep up his trade value.

  There was an article in the Herald recently that quoted another nba GM saying pretty much the opposite of what Ford said.

It's nice of Flip Saunders to help Ainge boost Rondo's trade value -- he's not trading for Rondo anyway. It doesn't make Chad Ford wrong (if they trade Rondo), no matter how much you love Rondo.

This is where the thread goes Rondo-homer. I'm out.

  You're going to claim that GMs deliberately boost the trade value of players on other teams and then drop out of the conversation? Bummer.

I don't do naive. and - shocker - you crushed another thread (7 hours gone) with your relentless rondo fetish. no one wants to hear it.

[BballTim]

Just the ages of Kryie/Rondo make such a swap appealing for Boston. Kyrie's play this year worries me, as does his overall lack of growth as a PG and creator for his team. Rondo has his ACL so both sides would be quesy about it.

Of course I wouldn't make such a trade till I knew where the C's first round pick is. If we get in the top 3 via the lottery then I'm not trading any of them for Irving alone, let alone + Rondo.

Very fair point re: the draft -- didn't see the pick part. I just think it's not real to think of Rondo in these scenarios, short of including a high pick. Example of what i'm talking about (via ESPN chat):


Joe (NY): What kind of deals would you expect to be available for Rondo?

Chad Ford: Totally depends on how he looks when he gets back on the court. If it's the old Rondo, I think Ainge may be able to get another young player or draft pick for him. He's not going to get a star, but that's OK. Ainge is looking for assets. I know Ainge and company keep saying they won't trade Rondo, but if they get a good offer, I'm pretty sure he's gone. You have to say that to keep up his trade value.

  There was an article in the Herald recently that quoted another nba GM saying pretty much the opposite of what Ford said.

It's nice of Flip Saunders to help Ainge boost Rondo's trade value -- he's not trading for Rondo anyway. It doesn't make Chad Ford wrong (if they trade Rondo), no matter how much you love Rondo.

This is where the thread goes Rondo-homer. I'm out.

  You're going to claim that GMs deliberately boost the trade value of players on other teams and then drop out of the conversation? Bummer.

I don't do naive. and - shocker - you crushed another thread (7 hours gone) with your relentless rondo fetish. no one wants to hear it.

  Yes, it can be quite vexing when people disagree with your opinion.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

One the bigger Rondo fans here. Even if it were Cleveland sending the 2014 (unprotected) 1st and filler, in form of a legit young prospect, I would still hesitate.

[CLE]

Thanks for all the replies...Seems pretty similar with the CLE forums responses, everyone thinks CLE is getting the bad end.

Here's why I would do it as a Cavs fan (btw I love Kyrie but this team isn't going anywhere as is)

We give up arguably a top 5 pg and get arguably a top 5 pg when healthy.  We also get a first round pick which when paired with ours in a trade, may be able to turn into a top 5 pick (we might get one with ours alone).  Then grab Parker/Wiggins/Randle.

Basically (if all works out) trading Kyrie for Rondo + Parker/Wiggins/Randle 

[D.o.s.]

I think the biggest problem, from the Cav's perspective, is that the team isn't a Rondo away from being an elite team, and since Irving is almost seven years younger than Rondo, the window is open much longer if you have Irving on your team.

From a Celtics perspective, this should be a no-brainer--especially because with a healthy Irving there's no way this club's draft pick should be in the lottery.