Would the Cs Be WORSE With Pierce and Garnett?

[Mazingerz]

Yes; Considering that Doc Rivers would have remained if KG and PP were still on the team;

The Cs would be in limbo;

If BS were still hired, I don't know what would have happened; Wold PP and KG accept their roles as envisioned by BS? Would their personalities mesh well with BS?

Another interesting scenario would have been the trade with the Clippers netting us Deandre Jordan and Bledsoe plus 1 pick in exchange for Doc Rivers and KG;

We still would have hired BS, drafted K.O., gotten Faverani and Pressey; The lineup would have been:

PG: Crawfish/Rondo/Pressey
SG: Bledsoe/Bradley/Terry
SF: PP/Brandon Bass/C. Lee
PF: K.O./Sully
C:  KG/D. Jordan/Faverani

IMHO we still would be bounced off the first round;

[More Banners]

For some reason I can't see them coming off the bench behind Green and Sully, but they sh/would if they were still here.

Though KG would prob start at C, and that would be improvement, perhaps not as much as we all wish it would be.  I'm truly not sure Pierce would be much of an upgrade off the bench from Wallace, considering that the impact would b muted by coming off the bench for limited minutes.

I do think that they'd both be in better shape.  The offseason move probably didn't help anything.

[Celtics4ever]

Does it matter without them we didn't have all those picks...

[Eja117]

Yes. I think Doc would be running their knees into dust. The players would respond with minimal effort. We'd limp into the playoffs and get bumped by Miami in 6 games. Bill Simmons would call it like he sees it and Doc would throw a hissy fit

[moiso]

Couldn't help asking myself this question, seeing how badly the Nets are doing so far this year.

Imagine that the trades with the Nets and the Clippers never happened.

Imagine Doc Rivers is still the head coach, his heart only half in it because he knows this team can't win.

Imagine Jason Terry is still playing 25+ minutes a night with a leprechaun tattooed to his calf. 

Imagine Paul Pierce is still carrying way too much of an offensive load, taking shots away from Sullinger and Green.  Then he breaks his hand and we don't have a backup SF.

Imagine Garnett is still barking his way at the back of the defense, only his legs are gone so he has no jumpshot, and he's taking minutes away from guys who are less experienced and who will never be truly great, but who are simply better players now because they have the energy to play big minutes, hit shots consistently, and keep pace with younger opponents.


It's not a stretch, I think, to imagine that this team might actually have a worse record right now, especially when you consider the brutal November schedule.

KG would still be a major contributor COMING OFF THE BENCH. he just cannot play long minutes now due to age and his legs.

He has been playing backup minutes this year and hasn't been effective.

[Fafnir]

Not sure, depends on how much of their decline is chemistry pains with the current Nets team.

I do think KG would look better defensively next to Bass/Sullinger than Lopez/Blatche/Evans. But shooting under 40%, ouch.

[satch]

With Rondo this team is better than last year. Plus there is less pressure to constanly favor the veterans.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Couldn't help asking myself this question, seeing how badly the Nets are doing so far this year.

Imagine that the trades with the Nets and the Clippers never happened.

Imagine Doc Rivers is still the head coach, his heart only half in it because he knows this team can't win.

Imagine Jason Terry is still playing 25+ minutes a night with a leprechaun tattooed to his calf. 

Imagine Paul Pierce is still carrying way too much of an offensive load, taking shots away from Sullinger and Green.  Then he breaks his hand and we don't have a backup SF.

Imagine Garnett is still barking his way at the back of the defense, only his legs are gone so he has no jumpshot, and he's taking minutes away from guys who are less experienced and who will never be truly great, but who are simply better players now because they have the energy to play big minutes, hit shots consistently, and keep pace with younger opponents.


It's not a stretch, I think, to imagine that this team might actually have a worse record right now, especially when you consider the brutal November schedule.

KG would still be a major contributor COMING OFF THE BENCH. he just cannot play long minutes now due to age and his legs.

With Doc coaching this team, I sincerely doubt KG would ever come off the bench.  Same with Pierce.

I was not counting doc being the coach.

[BirdMchaleParish]

I could see us being 1 or 2 wins better. The team would be bolstered from last years team due to Sully being back but Pierce and Garnett would still have declined due to age. I think they would be playing better than they are now since the system would be the same. The Celtics would be playing Crawford, Oly, Fav, and Sully  less so it would hurt our future.

[guava_wrench]

I don't think the Celtics would be worse, but I believe they would be painful to watch. The main reason I wanted the trade was to not see the two of them fall apart and to not be disappointed by unmet hopes.

[gpap]

Another thing to keep in mind too is if Pierce and KG are back, then this team looks dramatically different on paper.

Obviously the Brooklyn deal doesn't happen and instead of going with guys like Crawford, Faverani, Pressy and Olynyk in key spots, Ainge likely lands a couple veteran players during the summer to help Pierce/KG go for another playoff run.

It would basically be another veteran team with probably better balance instead of the young team we have now.

That sounds nice, but this team would have had basically zero space to operate under the luxury tax.  So maybe they could add one player for ~3 million, but only if they were willing to pay the tax.

Also recall that Danny worked his magic adding "veteran talent" in the summer of 2012; Terry and Lee didn't really provide the expected boost.


I imagine that Crawford, Faverani, Olynyk, and Pressey would actually be precisely the guys the Celtics would be relying on.

Well don't forget (and Loose Cannon made mention of this) that they probably could've and would've worked out some sort of sign and trade deal with another team like Atlanta for Josh Smith or Utah for Paul Millsap.

In fact, if I recall correctly before the Doc to Clips and KG/Paul to Nets trades happened, Paul Millsap was the Celts first offseason target.

So we'd probably be seeing a similar team to last year which would include Pierce, KG, Rondo, either Millsap or J.Smith, Jeff Green, Lee, Terry and like mentioned, perhaps the Celts use their MLE on a guy like Elton Brand or Samuel Dalembert.

I do think if they ran it back with Paul and KG, then the likes of Bradley, Crawford, Bass, our 2013 draft pick and maybe even Sully would've been used in a deal for a Millsap or Smith.

So, we'd have more of a veteran team and less young guys than we have now.

Would we better or worse? REALLY tough to say.

Probably not significantly better, but we'd also have a more balanced roster than we have now.

[Sketch5]

I think with Doc as coach we would be close to the same. Maybe a little better. But similar to last season.

With Stevens as coach I think we would be a bit better. He has a style of system that KG and PP would do well in and not have to carry the team.

[Clench123]

We were terrible last year with both healthy KG and healthy Pierce.  Another year added to them with Rondo still not playing...we would've been atrocious without a doubt in my mind.  Not even Stevens would've been able to do anything about it.

[BASS_THUMPER]

hard to tell

but after perk

then ray left our chemistry was all jacked up

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Couldn't help asking myself this question, seeing how badly the Nets are doing so far this year.

Imagine that the trades with the Nets and the Clippers never happened.

Imagine Doc Rivers is still the head coach, his heart only half in it because he knows this team can't win.

Imagine Jason Terry is still playing 25+ minutes a night with a leprechaun tattooed to his calf. 

Imagine Paul Pierce is still carrying way too much of an offensive load, taking shots away from Sullinger and Green.  Then he breaks his hand and we don't have a backup SF.

Imagine Garnett is still barking his way at the back of the defense, only his legs are gone so he has no jumpshot, and he's taking minutes away from guys who are less experienced and who will never be truly great, but who are simply better players now because they have the energy to play big minutes, hit shots consistently, and keep pace with younger opponents.


It's not a stretch, I think, to imagine that this team might actually have a worse record right now, especially when you consider the brutal November schedule.

KG would still be a major contributor COMING OFF THE BENCH. he just cannot play long minutes now due to age and his legs.

He has been playing backup minutes this year and hasn't been effective.

Being in Brroklyn could be causing that or adding to it no?