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Who will have a worse record than the Celtics this season?

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Re: Who will finish behind the Celtics this season?
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2013, 01:05:07 AM »

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And why do we need the worst record to get the top pick? Last time I checked, it's a lottery. As long as we're one of the bottom 7 teams in the league (which is guaranteed), we have a pretty good chance at a top 3 pick.

The seventh worst team has a little under a 13% chance at a top three pick.  I wouldn't call that "pretty good" odds.
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Re: Who will finish behind the Celtics this season?
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2013, 01:22:47 AM »

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do the Jazz really have no talent? i feel like with there coaching staff they will make adjustments and improve and simply be to good to finish bottom 4

I'm not convinced that Kanter and Favors will ever be much more than average players.  And their bench is just horrible.
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Re: Who will finish behind the Celtics this season?
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2013, 03:14:23 AM »

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Re: Who will finish behind the Celtics this season?
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2013, 05:29:06 AM »

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I don't know.  It doesn't look good.  There are a ton of teams tanking this year and we might be just good enough to avoid an elite prospect.... not good enough to make any noise in the playoffs.  We're headed towards NBA hell.  Perpetual mediocrity.  Last time this happened was during the Pierce/Walker era.  A decade of borderline relevance.

come on... this team isn't mediocre, it's clearly a lottery team. Good/bad enough to a 32/50 record and a top 10 pick. I expected them to look worse than they are, and I'm happy to see they're fighting and getting good lessons while losing games.

We don't know the trades that Danny will make, and they'll probably mean more losses. But with Rondo back and the team learning the system, you can expect them to play .400 ball during the year, maybe .350. Factor in our bad Draft lottery luck, and you have a long shot at a top 5 pick. Still possible, but unlikely.

This season is not only about tanking (Danny set up the roster to get a lottery pick, period). There's also the young kids development, which is working out fine, and the showcase of our quality vets in order to rebuild their trade value. I think tanking/developing/showcasing season is following the plan, even better than expected.

Getting Wiggins/Parker/Randle... would be great, but you can't put all your eggs in the future potential superstar basket. Basketball is a team game, not every superstar got to win it all. Danny Ainge has lots of options, and the next 18 months or so will be the start of the next Celtics dinasty. In Danny we trust.

Re: Who will finish behind the Celtics this season?
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2013, 08:09:48 AM »

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do the Jazz really have no talent? i feel like with there coaching staff they will make adjustments and improve and simply be to good to finish bottom 4

I think the Jazz are similar to us in some ways, a couple of unproven and underdeveloped big men who are still growing and a wing that is good but maybe not great. The other thing is that they have no high level PG. At least we have one, he's just injured.

They may pick in the top 3 three of this draft and the next, but we have a lot more building blocks going forward. Our bench is role players and rookies, but we have much more talent.. Not to mention a pile of attractive draft picks.
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Re: Who will finish behind the Celtics this season?
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2013, 08:11:13 AM »

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The three almost guarantees are Orlando, Utah and Philly.
From there on out as it currently looks we are about the 5th worst team overall in my opinion- with Sacramento slightly worse than us.
Milwaulkee and Sacramento appear to be bad but Milwaulkee's roster is pretty closely matched with ours- I'd say we have the worse team  if Rondo is not on the floor, they've had a particularly terrible start and their coach looks like he might be gone- unless they're tanking which could be a serious reality.
I think the Suns are better than us at the moment and I think Detroit and the Cavaliers are better teams than us- talent wise.
It just depends how hard these other teams tank, and how quickly they can adjust to their new coaches and team mates etc.
Other than Rondo returning I can't see us getting much better- I see Green scoring slightly more and Crawford crashing and burning at some stage.
What would be great if Sully can crack the 15 points and 8-10 rebounds mark as a sophore. I think he can.

Basically we are right on track for Ainge to trade a few of our players at All Star break that are bad, yet considered good on our crummy squad. ie Lee, Wallace, Crawford, Hump etc which will see us regress to the bottom 4 of the pack pretty much guaranteed. I just don't think Rondo can be effective on such a pathetic team- he just can't score enough night in and night out. If he does take things into his own hands and goes to full throttle playoff mode-I can see another Derrick Rose injury scenario because Rondo's game is so rough and tumble. He just takes so many hits and falls and he'll have even less space to work with now because we don't have anyone spreading the floor like he's had his whole career. Our 3 point % is just garbage.(bottom 3 in the NBA after 15 games when I last checked).

Only way we don't finish bottom 6 is if Rondo comes back earlier than expected and finds a way to score more by January, or Jeff Green finds some mojo or starts taking an anti depressant to wake his ass up.
I think by the time Rondo's healthy, every asset will have been dangled and some pieces will move.

I'd expect to see at least Humphries and Crawford gone. Only way Crawford stays is if Ainge's plan is to keep him over free agency, sign him to a cheap deal and then let him get more burn in the 14-15 season if we plan on 'stinking', before trading him while he value is high. More likely he trades him now because I can't see his value getting much higher.

So yeah. There are 4 teams I would say are worse than us, even without Rondo- but any of those teams can beat us on any given night. Orlando, Utah, Philly,Sacramento and maybe the Bobcats.
As the season develops and team defenses become more disciplined, and we take more 15 foot jumpshots as our weapon of choice, the losses should start piling up- it's just not winning basketball.

Either way we'll have a very good shot at a top 3 pick, if Rondo's at 75% maybe top 5 but I can't see him increasing our win % that much until he's fully recovered.

I'll be happy if we can:
*develop Sully into a  15/10 machine
*get Rondo back to 100% by seasons end and either
a) keep him and get a top 5 pick to help him rebuild this franchise via a trade (ie LaMarcus Aldridge) or draft a stud if we get really lucky and get a top 3 pick.
b) trade him for another top lottery pick, combine that with our own pick and try an OKC style ground up build.
* get some kind of return for Bradley, or sign him to a value contract as a long term 6th man or back up combo guard.
*get some picks for our half decent assets like Bass, and our junk like Hump's expiring deal.

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Re: Who will finish behind the Celtics this season?
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2013, 08:17:35 AM »

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I don't know.  It doesn't look good.  There are a ton of teams tanking this year and we might be just good enough to avoid an elite prospect.... not good enough to make any noise in the playoffs.  We're headed towards NBA hell.  Perpetual mediocrity.  Last time this happened was during the Pierce/Walker era.  A decade of borderline relevance.

I'm worried too, Lar.

For a meaningful rebuild, the C's need to pick in the top 7, which means they should be in the top 4 for ping pong balls, though higher would be better. Danny may be able to trade up a few notches to get the 6th or 7th pick, especially if they have an Atlanta pick just out of the lottery, but merely settling for two mid-1st rounders is not an option, IMO.

He talks down the quality of the draft at the top whenever he's asked about it, so he may be gearing up to move up already.

Still, I'm hoping he can find a home for Humphries, Crawford, and/or Bass by the time Rondo returns.

Re: Who will finish behind the Celtics this season?
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2013, 08:39:31 AM »

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I don't know.  It doesn't look good.  There are a ton of teams tanking this year and we might be just good enough to avoid an elite prospect.... not good enough to make any noise in the playoffs.  We're headed towards NBA hell.  Perpetual mediocrity.  Last time this happened was during the Pierce/Walker era.  A decade of borderline relevance.

I'm worried too, Lar.

For a meaningful rebuild, the C's need to pick in the top 7, which means they should be in the top 4 for ping pong balls, though higher would be better. Danny may be able to trade up a few notches to get the 6th or 7th pick, especially if they have an Atlanta pick just out of the lottery, but merely settling for two mid-1st rounders is not an option, IMO.

He talks down the quality of the draft at the top whenever he's asked about it, so he may be gearing up to move up already.

Still, I'm hoping he can find a home for Humphries, Crawford, and/or Bass by the time Rondo returns.
Dont forget Bogans and Brooks who are there for salary filler if we need them.

Mediocrity is definitely a place we dont want to be. Our two picks need to be a to 8 and a top 15 at worst to get a couple of decent players. AT least one needs to be and impact player if not an All Star by his 2-3 season.

A guy like Selden for example at number 10 would be a decent if unspecatular pick up. He is a nice player and we can use an upgrade at SG but is he really an impact player?
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Re: Who will finish behind the Celtics this season?
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2013, 09:55:48 AM »

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Our 3 point % is just garbage.(bottom 3 in the NBA after 15 games when I last checked).

Go Celtics!

33%, 20th in the league as of today.  Certainly not great, but approaching respectability. 
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C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Who will finish behind the Celtics this season?
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2013, 04:11:02 PM »

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Our 3 point % is just garbage.(bottom 3 in the NBA after 15 games when I last checked).

Go Celtics!

33%, 20th in the league as of today.  Certainly not great, but approaching respectability.

Yeah it's gone up slightly after the Bobcats where Crawford caught fire and 35% against Memphis. I'm worried about J. Craw and Wallace coming back down to the 30% or below. Fingers crossed.

So in a short sample size we are, out of 30 teams in the NBA...

20th in 3 pointers
24th in points per game
23rd in rebounds per game
8th in points allowed
30th in assists per game

2nd in FG% :)

long season ahead so we should give it till the end of next month to be fair I guess.
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Re: Who will finish behind the Celtics this season?
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2013, 04:51:11 PM »

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Milwaukee looks pretty bad so far as does the Jazz..i still think 76'ers will fall hard..right now I think Celtics will have 6th or 7th worst record in the nba
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Re: Who will finish behind the Celtics this season?
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2013, 03:17:06 PM »

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I would say Milwaukee and Utah are clearly the worst teams in the league. The Kings SHOULD be much better record-wise than us but their extreme lack of leadership and understanding of the game will keep them right with us.

I think Cleveland is another team right there with us because of their internal issues. Phoenix is a bit better but they could go through a slump and finish right there as well in my opinion.

Re: Who will finish behind the Celtics this season?
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2013, 04:32:16 PM »

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I still see the C's ending up with a record somewhere between 7th and 10th worst in the league.

Re: Who will finish behind the Celtics this season?
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2013, 04:35:58 PM »

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I'd feel pretty confident in betting that at least two out of Cleveland, Washington, New York, Detroit, Toronto, and Charlotte will finish with worse records than the Celtics.  I'm not sure which two, but I can't imagine all of those teams avoiding things going or remaining bad.  Toronto is a bit of a dark horse since I can see them being the team that makes the surprising tanking/rebuilding trade that shocks some people.
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Re: Who will finish behind the Celtics this season?
« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2013, 10:06:54 PM »

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Our 3 point % is just garbage.(bottom 3 in the NBA after 15 games when I last checked).

Go Celtics!

33%, 20th in the league as of today.  Certainly not great, but approaching respectability.

Yeah it's gone up slightly after the Bobcats where Crawford caught fire and 35% against Memphis. I'm worried about J. Craw and Wallace coming back down to the 30% or below. Fingers crossed.

So in a short sample size we are, out of 30 teams in the NBA...

20th in 3 pointers
24th in points per game
23rd in rebounds per game
8th in points allowed
30th in assists per game

2nd in FG% :)

long season ahead so we should give it till the end of next month to be fair I guess.

That 3 point percentage went up a little after tonight.  I say, let those bigs keep shooting 'em. 

The D staying strong, as well. 

What a great win tonight.  I don't think we've been looking like a bottom five team lately.  The Cavs sure did, though. 
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PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson