Is Rose the most overrated MVP in league history?

[Vox_Populi]

Nash had elite numbers to go along with the team wins in a much tougher conference. Rose in his MVP year doesn't come close to Nash in his MVP years.

How were Rose's numbers not elite? He finished top 10 in points, PER and WS for the season. Incidentally, all three of those numbers that season were higher than Nash's for either of his MVP seasons. And as for the tougher conference, you could also argue that Nash also had a better team outside of his large effect on their performance.

[Fan from VT]

Not most, but yes, overrated. Nash is most, because he rode his situation to the MVP twice.

Every few years the MVP suffers from the Boredom/"Surprise" vote, and since it's a media award and the media lvoes variety and storylines, yes, they give it to less deserving guys every so often. Not unique to Bastketball.

Happened to Nash too; not really at that level of player, especially if defense counts (which it does, turns out).

[LarBrd33]

He was definitely a top 15 player that year.

He was definitely better than a top 15 player that year. In a Lebron-less world, nobody bats an eye at Rose winning that MVP. He was the best player on the best regular season team, and a top-5 player in the league. I agree that Rose didn't deserve the MVP, and that personally Howard or Durant looked like better choices, but I think 'most overrated MVP' is high-order hyperbole. Derrick Rose was a revelation that year, and the clear best player and emotional leader of the best (regular season) team in basketball.

I think there's something to be said for it though. Being the Most Overrated MVP isn't a terrible title. You're still an MVP.

It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things but think about this: There has never been an NBA MVP that hasn't made the HOF. Iverson might be the first and people are pretty split on him. But no one disagrees that his MVP season was legit dominance.

Does anyone think Rose will make the Hall? I just don't think his prime dominance talent is in the same league of other MVPs. Not Nash, not AI, not Dirk.

I think there is a fair argument to be made that on a talent level, Rose is the worst NBA MVP in history. Overrated is a subjective term. But on a talent level, he just doesn't match up to other NBA MVPs.

Phenomenal point.  At this pace, I don't see Rose making the hall-of-fame...even despite that fluke season.

[Onslaught]

Allen Iverson

[Jailan34]

I've always thought Rose only won that MVP because of the ESPN hype train and the hate for Lebron coming off "the decision". Rose is a great player, and had a great season, but his numbers didn't scream MVP to me, I mean 25-7-4 is good, but Paul Pierce has had similar years and he's never started an all star game or been first team all nba.

[Moranis]

I've always thought Rose only won that MVP because of the ESPN hype train and the hate for Lebron coming off "the decision". Rose is a great player, and had a great season, but his numbers didn't scream MVP to me, I mean 25-7-4 is good, but Paul Pierce has had similar years and he's never started an all star game or been first team all nba.

He also wasn't the main cog of a 62 win team either.

[moiso]

I agree that Rose is a little overrated.  I was just thinking earlier today how Rose is supposed to be some kind of savior for Chicago but Westbrook kind of flies under the radar and is the better player of the two.

[indeedproceed]

He was definitely a top 15 player that year.

He was definitely better than a top 15 player that year. In a Lebron-less world, nobody bats an eye at Rose winning that MVP. He was the best player on the best regular season team, and a top-5 player in the league. I agree that Rose didn't deserve the MVP, and that personally Howard or Durant looked like better choices, but I think 'most overrated MVP' is high-order hyperbole. Derrick Rose was a revelation that year, and the clear best player and emotional leader of the best (regular season) team in basketball.

I think there's something to be said for it though. Being the Most Overrated MVP isn't a terrible title. You're still an MVP.

It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things but think about this: There has never been an NBA MVP that hasn't made the HOF. Iverson might be the first and people are pretty split on him. But no one disagrees that his MVP season was legit dominance.

Does anyone think Rose will make the Hall? I just don't think his prime dominance talent is in the same league of other MVPs. Not Nash, not AI, not Dirk.

I think there is a fair argument to be made that on a talent level, Rose is the worst NBA MVP in history. Overrated is a subjective term. But on a talent level, he just doesn't match up to other NBA MVPs.

Phenomenal point.  At this pace, I don't see Rose making the hall-of-fame...even despite that fluke season.

Fluke season is a mischaracterization because it implies he couldn't have done it again. He was on his way in 11-12 until he got hurt.

And him not making the HOF (which is pretty probable considering the latest injury) is more of a fluke than his season. In the same way Brandon Roy would've been a likely HOF'er had he stayed healthy, if Derrick Rose's knees hadn't went, the guy could've bought his ticket 10 years early and people would've agreed with him.

[BballTim]

Bogus. MVP is regular season, not the playoffs. Rose was the best player (and only scoring option) on a 62 win team and made the superstar leap at an outstandingly young age.

If you're the most visible difference between 62 wins and 45, I'd say that you're probably pretty valuable. MVP very rarely goes to the best player, and LeBron abdicated the award that year by bailing on Cleveland (who had won 66 games with James as the best player--and eventual MVP) to go to Miami to play with Bosh and Wade. Numbers have little to do with it--especially when those guys had a tough time figuring out how to play together at first. From a story perspective (and these awards are always given to the best player married to the best story), it's hard to beat the hometown kid becoming a superstar and near single-handedly dragging his team into title contention.

Is it right to assume that you're equally down on Steve Nash's MVP's?

For the record, I don't buy in to the idea of overrated MVP's, since there isn't (and never has been) a clear criteria for the award.


edit: I should add that I agree with your other idea--he could have a similar career to Stevie Franchise, although I think that Rose is a better player.

And really, the Injury Robbed Hall Of Fame starts with guys like Penny, T-Mac, and Grant Hill. Rose's case is much weaker.

I'll give you that Rose was the best scorer on that team.  It was a loaded team that had the best defense in the league.  Rose had one of the worst defensive ratings of any player on the Bulls that year. 

The Bulls have lost more personnel than just Rose these last couple years.  They have remained competitive. 

Rose was a darn good player.  He was definitely a top 15 player that year.  I'm just saying that LeBron was the clear MVP that year... and there were a few others who I think were more important to their team's success than Derrick Rose.  You could have made an argument for Durant.  Similar stats, lead his team to 55 wins and took them just as far in the playoffs.  You take Durant off that OKC team, it probably doesn't make the playoffs.  You take Rose off that Chicago team... their defense remains elite and they still make the playoffs. 

I think we'll look back on it as a fluke year more than anything.

  LeBron shouldn't have won the MVP that year. The Heat lost all those close games because they couldn't score when they needed to, in fact they really didn't have a particular go-to player that season. If anything Howard should have. And add Dirk to the overrated list.

[BballTim]

He was definitely a top 15 player that year.

He was definitely better than a top 15 player that year. In a Lebron-less world, nobody bats an eye at Rose winning that MVP. He was the best player on the best regular season team, and a top-5 player in the league. I agree that Rose didn't deserve the MVP, and that personally Howard or Durant looked like better choices, but I think 'most overrated MVP' is high-order hyperbole. Derrick Rose was a revelation that year, and the clear best player and emotional leader of the best (regular season) team in basketball.

I think there's something to be said for it though. Being the Most Overrated MVP isn't a terrible title. You're still an MVP.

It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things but think about this: There has never been an NBA MVP that hasn't made the HOF. Iverson might be the first and people are pretty split on him. But no one disagrees that his MVP season was legit dominance.

Does anyone think Rose will make the Hall? I just don't think his prime dominance talent is in the same league of other MVPs. Not Nash, not AI, not Dirk.

I think there is a fair argument to be made that on a talent level, Rose is the worst NBA MVP in history. Overrated is a subjective term. But on a talent level, he just doesn't match up to other NBA MVPs.

Phenomenal point.  At this pace, I don't see Rose making the hall-of-fame...even despite that fluke season.

  I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find any former MVPs not in the hall, or any players who averaged 20+ points and 6+ assists over their careers. I'm not a Rose fan, and he wasn't my choice for MVP, but it's unlikely he'd miss the hall if he's healthy going forward.

[D.o.s.]

To branch off of Tim's point--Rose's MVP makes it more likely he ends up in the Hall of Fame, not less.

[wdleehi]

Allen Iverson

2nd.

[Clench123]

Allen Iverson

2nd.

Please explain how Allen Iverson is an overrated MVP

[D.o.s.]

Allen Iverson

2nd.

Please explain how Allen Iverson is an overrated MVP

I think they're saying that he's the most overrated player to win an MVP.

Which is a fair opinion, even though I vehemently disagree with it.

[fairweatherfan]

Bob Pettit was a stiff.

...not really, but go look up Bob Pettit just to prove me wrong.  Man was a baller.

I'd actually say - sorry guys - Bob Cousy for worst.  Either Rose (so far) or McAdoo 2nd.  Overrated is really tough because I have no idea how guys were "rated".  I guess young Wilt?