Is Bass tradeable?

[action781]

Bass + Courtney Lee for Danny Granger (expiring)? 

Bass and Lee seem like players that would fit in well in that system.  It doesn't appear there are minutes available for Bass to play there right now, but it would provide Indy with a lot of flexibility in case of injury or needing extra pieces in a trade.

It only makes sense if the celtics have a particular free agent or 2 they are targeting this offseason.  Demarcus Cousins?  Greg Monroe if this detroit experiment doesn't work?

[action781]

Bass and Lee to San Antonio for Diaw, Bonner, and De Colo (all expiring)?

Again, only if we have a FA we are targeting this offseason.

[JBcat]

I think he is very tradeable, and I think we can be very flexible with what we can back in return.

I don't think we necessarily need to shoot for expiring contracts in return.   This is most likely a multi year rebuilding process for us so I don't think cap space is that important for us next summer.  I don't think if we traded for an expiring in a Bass deal we would have enough cap room to be major players anyway. 

If we are patient when on 12/15 teams can then combine players that were signed over the summer through the trade deadline, we could possibly have a few more options especially if some injuries pile up around the league.

Another thing to consider is what is Bass's competition from other bad teams trying to offload a PF with a similar size contract and skillset.   If Orlando falls apart BBD might be on the market.   Same with Channing Frye, Thaddeous Young, Amir Johnson, JJ Hickson, and Chuck Hayes.   However right now Bass is probably the top player from this group along with Young. 

I do like a couple ideas people have mentioned like the Asik idea.  The other is Bass for Ariza, however we are taking more money back in that trade that I think pushes us the luxury tax.  Maybe someone like Bass & Brooks for Ariza and a protected pick.  However Ariza is playing so well for them right now, and Porter isn't playing.  Maybe put this in our back pocket for now. 

A trade I just tried in the NBA trade machine is Stoudemire for Humphries, Bass, and Lee.   This helps NY a ton for not only being competitive the next couple years, but also freeing up cap space for next season.   Since this is an unbalanced trade in NY's favor with Stoudemire basically almost finished, and I realize NY doesn't have any picks to trade until 2018, I would ask for that 2018 pick unprotected, maybe the right to swap picks in 2019, and see if we can squeeze another pick out of them.   That would cover us for about 6 years with chances to land lottery picks. 

Another one I came up with is Bass to SA for Bonner, Joseph, and Baynes.  Basically dead weight for SA, and improves their team with Duncan on his last legs.  We should at least get a protected future pick out of this deal.

[jambr380]

Bass + Courtney Lee for Danny Granger (expiring)? 

Bass and Lee seem like players that would fit in well in that system.  It doesn't appear there are minutes available for Bass to play there right now, but it would provide Indy with a lot of flexibility in case of injury or needing extra pieces in a trade.

It only makes sense if the celtics have a particular free agent or 2 they are targeting this offseason.  Demarcus Cousins?  Greg Monroe if this detroit experiment doesn't work?

Yeah, I am not desperate to move Bass unless we have a plan  in mind. All the responses on here are talking about his efficient offense and exceptional defense. Why wouldn't we want a player like that? If guys like Monroe or Cousins are on our radar, then yeah, obviously we should try to clear as much cap space as possible, but Bass is earning his paycheck and is a great veteran to have around all of the younger big guys.

[Celtics18]

If Brandon Bass gets traded, it will because Danny finds a deal where he gets back a young, developing player who he thinks can be an integral part of the long-term future in return.

I don't see Brandon being traded away just to dump his salary.  His deal is actually very reasonable for his value and production, far from being an "albatross" of any sort. 

[snively]

It is hard to find trades that matchup well for Bass.

There are a fair few teams who are rebuilding and then another number of teams this season that are set to have cap space next summer. I think they are hard sells to give up Bass.

I think teams like Houston (J.Lin), Denver (Hickson), LA Clippers (J.Crawford) could be willing to give up players on contracts of similar or longer length.

Finding teams with expiring contracts or quality players that Boston want long term is hard to do. Celtics rebuilding process rules out (long term) most older players as well as most PFs (Sully, Olynyk) and PGs (Rondo).

Not an indictment on Bass. Just difficult to come up with good trade scenarios.

I think Miami's a great target - Bass is perfect for them.  His combination of mid-range shooting, free throw shooting, paint finishing on offense and quickness, bulk and switching ability defensively would be great for them.  They could finally get away from playing the washed-up Haslem, or relying so heavily on going with lightweights like Battier and Lewis at the 4.

Bass for Joel Anthony, James Jones and a pick.

[nickagneta]

If there are two veterans I want on this team to bring forward with the youth movement that will occur over the next couple years, its Bass and Rondo. Anyone else, including Green, Lee, Bradley, Wallace, Crawford, Bogans, Brooks if they are traded, so be it. But I like the attitude, defensive intensity, leadership and overall game of Rondo and Bass.

Yeah,Bass is no superstar, but he embodies and embraces that defensive hustle and mindset that being a Celtic is all about and I would love to see him influencing young Celtics for years to come.

That's probably a minority decision, but it is mine.

[Snakehead]

If there are two veterans I want on this team to bring forward with the youth movement that will occur over the next couple years, its Bass and Rondo. Anyone else, including Green, Lee, Bradley, Wallace, Crawford, Bogans, Brooks if they are traded, so be it. But I like the attitude, defensive intensity, leadership and overall game of Rondo and Bass.

Yeah,Bass is no superstar, but he embodies and embraces that defensive hustle and mindset that being a Celtic is all about and I would love to see him influencing young Celtics for years to come.

That's probably a minority decision, but it is mine.

I don't disagree.  If the offer is good I'd probably take it but I don't sell him for less than value or anything.  I really like Bass too.  I think he's underrated by Celtics fans sometimes.  Especially for his salary.  He is a good complementary player who isn't expensive, and yes he hustles and plays hard.  Never a bad thing to have.

[LooseCannon]

I wonder if New York would take Bass for Bargnani.

Sounds like Bargnani has been playing badly for the Knicks so far. Infuriating fans with his lack of defense + rebounding and has been streaky offensively. If the Knicks have a bad run while Tyson Chandler is out injured (Bargnani at center, Melo at PF, gone very small), would Knicks consider moving on from this Bargnani experiment?

Knicks concern and reason for acquiring Bargnani was to add another big man alongside Tyson Chandler to matchup better against teams like the Indiana Pacers. Bass doesn't have the same shooting range but he has good range and he gives them another big body to throw up against D-West.

Pretty big difference in salary. Bargnani earning $11mil. Need to throw Jordan Crawford and MarShon Brooks into the deal also to make it work.

There are two problems with the idea of trading for Bargnani.

One, is that Bargnani is quite simply horrible, possibly the worst starter in the NBA.

Two, the Knicks gave up all their remaining tradeable draft picks to get Bargnani, meaning that they don't have any assets that a team would ask for as the price for taking Bargnani (who I assume will not exercise his ETO and instead take the $11.5m he is due in 2014-2015).

I would not trade Gerald Wallace straight up for Bargnani.  That is how worthless I think Bargnani is.

[snively]

If there are two veterans I want on this team to bring forward with the youth movement that will occur over the next couple years, its Bass and Rondo. Anyone else, including Green, Lee, Bradley, Wallace, Crawford, Bogans, Brooks if they are traded, so be it. But I like the attitude, defensive intensity, leadership and overall game of Rondo and Bass.

Yeah,Bass is no superstar, but he embodies and embraces that defensive hustle and mindset that being a Celtic is all about and I would love to see him influencing young Celtics for years to come.

That's probably a minority decision, but it is mine.

I think Bass' defense, while useful, has too many holes for him to qualify for this kind of integral role.  He has very bright moments in one-on-one coverage, but he makes some of the worst defensive decisions on the team as well.

He frequently gambles for steals, over-blitzes the pick and roll, falls asleep defending the perimeter, and completely neglects the defensive boards whenever the 5 moves to contest a shot.

Bradley and Wallace are much better defensive role models IMO.

[celtic -_- pride]

any player on a Danny ainge squad is tradeable

[LooseCannon]

any player on a Danny ainge squad is tradeable

The question is which players are tradeable without having to give up any draft picks or take back any bad contracts.

[snively]

I would not trade Gerald Wallace straight up for Bargnani.  That is how worthless I think Bargnani is.

Really?  I'd do that deal without thinking twice. That would be great for us.

[KJR]

No way you trade Bass unless you get back superior value right now.

He's arguably been the best player on the team so far.  His defense and leadership have taken a step up.  He also seems to be making better decisions on offense.

If you trade him for less value, the message you're sending to the rest of the team is that we don't want to be good.  This year is just a waste.

It actually would discourage Sullinger and Olynyk and hurt (rather than help) their development.

Some fans have speculated that we don't want to win ... but nobody related to the team has ever said or implied that.

Getting a pick for Rivers and hiring Stevens was an upgrade.

Getting multiple picks and players for Pierce and KG was an upgrade.  All the young players will develop better without looking over their shoulders.

I loved having KG and Pierce on the team, but it was time to move on.

The team is arguably just as good as it would have been with them.

No move the team has made signals to me that they wanted to be bad or to tank.  Instead, I think they've been trying to get better.

We were a .500 team last year.  I'm not sure we're appreciably worse this year.  When Rondo comes back we might be about the same.

I'd let this team play it out.  They're actually more fun to watch than last year's team.

I wouldn't trade anyone other than 11-14 (Pressey, Bogans, Brooks, Humphries) unless you get back superior value now.

Anything else makes no sense in my opinion.  It would just be pointlessly destructive to this year's team without actually making the team better in the future.

We've all said we'd get better by drafting value, developing value, and trading for value.  Not too many people have said we'd get better by freeing up a whole lot of salary and then luring big money free agents to Boston.

The team so far has outperformed my expectations.  No need to move Bass or any rotation player unless you improve the team now.  Plenty of time to revisit this in February and June.

[action781]

If there are two veterans I want on this team to bring forward with the youth movement that will occur over the next couple years, its Bass and Rondo. Anyone else, including Green, Lee, Bradley, Wallace, Crawford, Bogans, Brooks if they are traded, so be it. But I like the attitude, defensive intensity, leadership and overall game of Rondo and Bass.

Yeah,Bass is no superstar, but he embodies and embraces that defensive hustle and mindset that being a Celtic is all about and I would love to see him influencing young Celtics for years to come.

That's probably a minority decision, but it is mine.

I'm with you here nick.  I think similarly of Bradley as well, especially because there's something about his presence that has seemed to elevate Rondo's effort to another level in the past.

I think Bass' defense, while useful, has too many holes for him to qualify for this kind of integral role.  He has very bright moments in one-on-one coverage, but he makes some of the worst defensive decisions on the team as well.

He frequently gambles for steals, over-blitzes the pick and roll, falls asleep defending the perimeter, and completely neglects the defensive boards whenever the 5 moves to contest a shot.

Aside from the neglecting of defensive boards, I just don't see the rest of those holes that you mention.  Nobody plays perfect defense 100% of the time.