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Re: Is Bass tradeable?
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2013, 08:36:13 AM »

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I have to say, he's been playing hard, consistently, and executing well, while being aggressive on both ends.

A team that can afford him and wants to win should have interest at some point.  He's improved quite a bit since being here on both ends.  hahah we traded BBD for him!

We just have a logjam, but he really seems like a good player to have.  Just need someone to make a decent offer.  It's okay for Sully and KO to get some more run before he goes, though.

I'll go with easily tradable, but teams probably want him for nothing.

Re: Is Bass tradeable?
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2013, 08:46:47 AM »

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He could be traded, of course, some teams load up for a playoff run.  Whether it happens or not is another matter.

Re: Is Bass tradeable?
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2013, 09:58:06 AM »

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Nope = paid too much money. Won't be tradeable until next summer unless C's take a bad contract back.

I disagree.

As noted, Bass has been playing very well and his contract is not awful. Is he overpaid? Slightly, but not enough to scare away teams near the deadline in need of front court depth.

Obviously nobody will know until a deal does go down, if one does.
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Re: Is Bass tradeable?
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2013, 10:05:42 AM »

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He's a hardworker and an easy 2pts if you feed him the ball on his sweet spot... he earned enough credibility that his defender will guard him and will space up the paint for a possible cut...

Memphis might want him as a backup for ZBo, maybe the can send back TA to us :)
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Re: Is Bass tradeable?
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2013, 10:15:44 AM »

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Bass is a great backup PF he can shoot,defend and this year he's showing better moves in the post.

Re: Is Bass tradeable?
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2013, 10:21:33 AM »

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It's not what Bass needs to do. 

You probably need a playoff team to have their starting or #1 backup power forward suffer a season-ending injury, necessitating a trade for a replacement.  That team will need to have appropriately-sized contracts that will allow the Celtics to avoid dipping into the luxury tax.

Imagine something like Jerebko and Villanueva both tearing their ACLs for Detroit, then Bass and Crawford (need to keep the Celtics out of luxury tax) for Villanueva's expiring contract and a second round pick.

You probably need that injury to occur on a team that strongly prefers a first-round playoff exit to a likely end of the lottery pick with a longshot at a top three pick.

What about a borderline playoff team who just needs some vet depth on the bench?  Like for example... the Pelicans.  I think they are a playoff team.  Anthony Davis is the 2nd coming of Kevin Garnett.  They are getting good production out of Holiday and Eric Gordon.  Ryan Anderson should be back soon.   Meanwhile, they have Tyreke Evans on their bench making like 11 mil a year for the next 4 years?  Could a Bass + Lee for Evans deal make sense if Boston wanted to take a risk on a long-term deal? 

I still think any Bass trade would be simply a salary dump for an expiring contract.

The Pelicans have a four-big rotation of Ryan Anderson, Anthony Davis, Jason Smith, and Greg Stiemsma.  You should be looking for teams with fewer dependable bigs.  Or waiting for Smith or Stiemsma to be injured and out for the season. 

I don't think they are trading Evans anytime soon.  They negotiated the trade for Holiday before they acquired Evans.  They wanted both of those players and it's way too early for buyer's remorse.  If they try to move anyone, it will be Gordon, but they seem to want a three-guard rotation for now.

Any trade that would be classified as a salary dump will involve the Celtics sending out a draft pick or taking on a longer contract for a worse player.
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Re: Is Bass tradeable?
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2013, 10:30:59 AM »

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I think he has definite value is not overpaid. I keep thinking that some sort of deal that sends Lee and Bass to Houston for Asik will make a lot of sense for both teams. Bass's defense has been especially good, particularly according to the analytics.

"Bass is allowing a minuscule 0.528 points per play (28 points on 53 possessions), according to individual defensive data logged by Synergy Sports. Consider this: Of players with more than 40 possessions defended entering Thursday’s action, Bass ranked first in the NBA at that mark (out of 120 qualifiers). What’s more, opponents are scoring on a mere 22.6 percent of total possessions again him, the best mark in the league by nearly 3 percent."

He's a great addition for a contender. He's got big playoff experience - guarding Lebron and Carmelo, no less!

I have been thinking that some sort of Bass to Houston for Asik would be the best for both teams. Asik is not being utilized even close to what he can do because of Howard, and that team would be better with a Bass type coming off the bench--he can score and defend as an undersized PF. And next to Howard, his size is not so much of an issue.

Asik would be a phenomenal addition to our team as a starting center. We need a consistent rebounding Big who can finish around the rim, and he can do that. I like Fav, but I would take Asik in a heartbeat if he was available.
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Re: Is Bass tradeable?
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2013, 10:33:11 AM »

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It is hard to find trades that matchup well for Bass.

There are a fair few teams who are rebuilding and then another number of teams this season that are set to have cap space next summer. I think they are hard sells to give up Bass.

I think teams like Houston (J.Lin), Denver (Hickson), LA Clippers (J.Crawford) could be willing to give up players on contracts of similar or longer length.

Finding teams with expiring contracts or quality players that Boston want long term is hard to do. Celtics rebuilding process rules out (long term) most older players as well as most PFs (Sully, Olynyk) and PGs (Rondo).

Not an indictment on Bass. Just difficult to come up with good trade scenarios.

Re: Is Bass tradeable?
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2013, 10:39:52 AM »

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I have to believe that Washington is right up there among potential trade partners.
They don't have any big expiring contracts, do they?

They have several to offer.

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/wizards.jsp

Ariza; Vesely + Singleton. Seraphin and Booker are heading into RFA status, so technically, they are expiring as well.

I do like this Washington trade idea.

I think a Bass for Vesely + Booker could make good sense. Washington would be taking on a little extra salary and are close to the luxury tax threshold but I think they still stay below it here. If not, maybe eat another contract which Boston pays someone else to take.

Bass would work well with Nene/Gortat plus Washington would keep Seraphin as 4th big. Still have depth up front and at SF with Ariza, Webster and Porter. And for Boston -- strictly a salary dump.

They signed Al Harrington in the off-season but he hasn't been playing well. I think they give him more time to try and get right after his long injury layoff ... but if Harrington continues to struggle, you could see Washington doing this.

Re: Is Bass tradeable?
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2013, 10:40:41 AM »

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I have to believe that Washington is right up there among potential trade partners.
They don't have any big expiring contracts, do they?

I'll take Ariza for Bass if Wiz are okay with it.

They get solid frontcourt depth and it opens up a spot for Porter and Martell Webster, who they overpaid a bit.
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Re: Is Bass tradeable?
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2013, 10:44:58 AM »

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I have to believe that Washington is right up there among potential trade partners.
They don't have any big expiring contracts, do they?

They have several to offer.

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/wizards.jsp

Ariza; Vesely + Singleton. Seraphin and Booker are heading into RFA status, so technically, they are expiring as well.

I do like this Washington trade idea.

I think a Bass for Vesely + Booker could make good sense. Washington would be taking on a little extra salary and are close to the luxury tax threshold but I think they still stay below it here. If not, maybe eat another contract which Boston pays someone else to take.

Bass would work well with Nene/Gortat plus Washington would keep Seraphin as 4th big. Still have depth up front and at SF with Ariza, Webster and Porter. And for Boston -- strictly a salary dump.

They signed Al Harrington in the off-season but he hasn't been playing well. I think they give him more time to try and get right after his long injury layoff ... but if Harrington continues to struggle, you could see Washington doing this.

Harrington broke out of his slump last night with 14 points, 4-6 from 3pt land. They really like his ability to spread the floor with his 3pt shooting, so I don't see them going out of their way to trade for Bass.

Re: Is Bass tradeable?
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2013, 10:56:51 AM »

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I wonder if New York would take Bass for Bargnani.

Sounds like Bargnani has been playing badly for the Knicks so far. Infuriating fans with his lack of defense + rebounding and has been streaky offensively. If the Knicks have a bad run while Tyson Chandler is out injured (Bargnani at center, Melo at PF, gone very small), would Knicks consider moving on from this Bargnani experiment?

Knicks concern and reason for acquiring Bargnani was to add another big man alongside Tyson Chandler to matchup better against teams like the Indiana Pacers. Bass doesn't have the same shooting range but he has good range and he gives them another big body to throw up against D-West.

Pretty big difference in salary. Bargnani earning $11mil. Need to throw Jordan Crawford and MarShon Brooks into the deal also to make it work.

Re: Is Bass tradeable?
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2013, 11:11:58 AM »

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Nope = paid too much money. Won't be tradeable until next summer unless C's take a bad contract back.

If you think Bass is overpaid I'd love to hear what you have to say about a whole lot of NBA contracts.

Bass earns his salary.  You don't get competent bigs for that cheap.
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Re: Is Bass tradeable?
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2013, 11:21:27 AM »

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I wonder if New York would take Bass for Bargnani.

Sounds like Bargnani has been playing badly for the Knicks so far. Infuriating fans with his lack of defense + rebounding and has been streaky offensively. If the Knicks have a bad run while Tyson Chandler is out injured (Bargnani at center, Melo at PF, gone very small), would Knicks consider moving on from this Bargnani experiment?

Knicks concern and reason for acquiring Bargnani was to add another big man alongside Tyson Chandler to matchup better against teams like the Indiana Pacers. Bass doesn't have the same shooting range but he has good range and he gives them another big body to throw up against D-West.

Pretty big difference in salary. Bargnani earning $11mil. Need to throw Jordan Crawford and MarShon Brooks into the deal also to make it work.

Much rather have Bass.

Why does Boston do this?
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Re: Is Bass tradeable?
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2013, 11:23:25 AM »

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I wonder if New York would take Bass for Bargnani.

Sounds like Bargnani has been playing badly for the Knicks so far. Infuriating fans with his lack of defense + rebounding and has been streaky offensively. If the Knicks have a bad run while Tyson Chandler is out injured (Bargnani at center, Melo at PF, gone very small), would Knicks consider moving on from this Bargnani experiment?

Knicks concern and reason for acquiring Bargnani was to add another big man alongside Tyson Chandler to matchup better against teams like the Indiana Pacers. Bass doesn't have the same shooting range but he has good range and he gives them another big body to throw up against D-West.

Pretty big difference in salary. Bargnani earning $11mil. Need to throw Jordan Crawford and MarShon Brooks into the deal also to make it work.

Much rather have Bass.

Why does Boston do this?

Salary dump. Bargnani is expiring, right? If not, nevermind.