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Re: Wallace is NOT HAPPY about not starting
« Reply #75 on: November 07, 2013, 01:20:26 PM »

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For pete's sake, Jordan Crawford starts.
Yes, and he beat Wallace for the starting spot fair and square.

Yep, we looked much better as a team with Crawford starting last night. For once this year we looked like a legit NBA team.

And as much as I don't like Bass, and I REALY don't like Bass, I have to admit Stevens has managed to get to him and make him a better player already this year on both ends of the floor.
Crawford takes some of the most awful shots I've seen, both in terms of form, and in terms of shot selection. But he can and does get people involved. He won't be confused for a great PG, but he's a tolerable stop-gap solution. Consider this: he's shooting .500 with a 3 to 1 AST/TO ratio.

Wallace couldn't score, couldn't distribute very well, and his (declining) physical gifts were largely nullified when he was matched against faster players. He has one assist less than Crawford on the season, and 12(!) more turnovers.

The only thing I don't like about Bass is that he's not a great rebounder, which pretty much requires that we pair him with an above average rebound in order to get good results. Otherwise, he's pretty good offensively and defensively -- I don't think it has much to do with Stevens, it's just more noticeable when he's higher up the totem pole.
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Re: Wallace is NOT HAPPY about not starting
« Reply #76 on: November 07, 2013, 01:22:17 PM »

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For pete's sake, Jordan Crawford starts.
Yes, and he beat Wallace for the starting spot fair and square.

Yep, we looked much better as a team with Crawford starting last night. For once this year we looked like a legit NBA team.

And as much as I don't like Bass, and I REALY don't like Bass, I have to admit Stevens has managed to get to him and make him a better player already this year on both ends of the floor.

Although didn't the Celtics Starters immediately fall into a 10 point hole until Sully and Wallace checked in? Perhaps last night isn't a good endorsement for Crawford the starter.

But what can you do? The guard depth without Rondo is terrible.

Re: Wallace is NOT HAPPY about not starting
« Reply #77 on: November 07, 2013, 01:29:24 PM »

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Well, there's looks and there's results.

We looked better with Craw, but the performance didn't match up. I feel like he's a minus defender on this team.

Re: Wallace is NOT HAPPY about not starting
« Reply #78 on: November 07, 2013, 01:35:23 PM »

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For pete's sake, Jordan Crawford starts.
Yes, and he beat Wallace for the starting spot fair and square.

Yep, we looked much better as a team with Crawford starting last night. For once this year we looked like a legit NBA team.

And as much as I don't like Bass, and I REALY don't like Bass, I have to admit Stevens has managed to get to him and make him a better player already this year on both ends of the floor.

Although didn't the Celtics Starters immediately fall into a 10 point hole until Sully and Wallace checked in? Perhaps last night isn't a good endorsement for Crawford the starter.

But what can you do? The guard depth without Rondo is terrible.

I admit, I really really really really like Stevens. When we fell into a 10 pt hole, he immediately called a timeout, and inserted the right players in for our little run. He isn't afraid to yank out players in response to the other team's run. Very impressive.

Re: Wallace is NOT HAPPY about not starting
« Reply #79 on: November 07, 2013, 02:03:50 PM »

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Wallace is exactly what this team needs and what It doesn't. A strong veteran presence to lead by example (play) but his mouth is starting to really annoy me. I mean dude seriously swallow your pride and just play ball. He thinks he deserves starter minutes we'll then he needs to outplay jeff at the 3 and our bigs at 4 which I don't see happening. I hope rondo has a word with him seeing how he is this teams leader. Don't care if he's not playing he needs to keep that locker room unified
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Re: Wallace is NOT HAPPY about not starting
« Reply #80 on: November 07, 2013, 02:11:55 PM »

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This guy is the ONLY guy on our squad with a LEGIT nick-name, that was EARNED.

I love him, and I think he's spot on with a lot of what he said.

Mr. Triple Double earned his way before Crash could crash

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Re: Wallace is NOT HAPPY about not starting
« Reply #81 on: November 07, 2013, 02:13:52 PM »

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This guy is the ONLY guy on our squad with a LEGIT nick-name, that was EARNED.

I love him, and I think he's spot on with a lot of what he said.

Mr. Triple Double earned his way before Crash could crash

Nah, Crash was first.

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like that is always lethal." - Evan 'The God' Turner

Re: Wallace is NOT HAPPY about not starting
« Reply #82 on: November 07, 2013, 02:19:09 PM »

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This guy is the ONLY guy on our squad with a LEGIT nick-name, that was EARNED.

I love him, and I think he's spot on with a lot of what he said.

Mr. Triple Double earned his way before Crash could crash

Nah, Crash was first.

Original source:

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/feature_nickname_wallace_060223.html

circa 2006

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like that is always lethal." - Evan 'The God' Turner

Re: Wallace is NOT HAPPY about not starting
« Reply #83 on: November 07, 2013, 02:20:22 PM »

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This guy is the ONLY guy on our squad with a LEGIT nick-name, that was EARNED.

I love him, and I think he's spot on with a lot of what he said.

Mr. Triple Double earned his way before Crash could crash

Nah, Crash was first.

lol.  Ok.  But the claim that he's the one on the team who's EARNED his nick-name is still wrong.

I always said when I left the Celtics, I could not go to heaven, because that would
 be a step down. I am pure 100 percent Celtic. I think if you slashed my wrists, my
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Re: Wallace is NOT HAPPY about not starting
« Reply #84 on: November 07, 2013, 02:25:36 PM »

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I take it this is a bad time to ask who Mr. Triple Double is?
At least a goldfish with a Lincoln Log on its back goin' across your floor to your sock drawer has a miraculous connotation to it.

Re: Wallace is NOT HAPPY about not starting
« Reply #85 on: November 07, 2013, 02:28:22 PM »

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I take it this is a bad time to ask who Mr. Triple Double is?

The player on the roster with the most career triple doubles?
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Re: Wallace is NOT HAPPY about not starting
« Reply #86 on: November 07, 2013, 02:31:23 PM »

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I take it this is a bad time to ask who Mr. Triple Double is?

None other than Rajon Rondo

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Re: Wallace is NOT HAPPY about not starting
« Reply #87 on: November 07, 2013, 02:34:17 PM »

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This guy is the ONLY guy on our squad with a LEGIT nick-name, that was EARNED.

I love him, and I think he's spot on with a lot of what he said.

Mr. Triple Double earned his way before Crash could crash

Nah, Crash was first.

lol.  Ok.  But the claim that he's the one on the team who's EARNED his nick-name is still wrong.

Gerald Wallace earned the hell out of his nickname, the guy was a terror on the court from '05 to '10. In I think 2010 he led the league in rebounds from the SF position for most of the season. He's one of only 4 guys to average 2 steals and 2 blocks per game since steals and blocks became stats. Just a hell of a player there for a while. Not anymore, obviously.

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Re: Wallace is NOT HAPPY about not starting
« Reply #88 on: November 07, 2013, 04:03:39 PM »

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This guy is the ONLY guy on our squad with a LEGIT nick-name, that was EARNED.

I love him, and I think he's spot on with a lot of what he said.

Mr. Triple Double earned his way before Crash could crash

Nah, Crash was first.

lol.  Ok.  But the claim that he's the one on the team who's EARNED his nick-name is still wrong.

Gerald Wallace earned the hell out of his nickname, the guy was a terror on the court from '05 to '10. In I think 2010 he led the league in rebounds from the SF position for most of the season. He's one of only 4 guys to average 2 steals and 2 blocks per game since steals and blocks became stats. Just a hell of a player there for a while. Not anymore, obviously.

Agreed. But did you see him shoot those free throws last night? Yeeesh.
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Re: Wallace is NOT HAPPY about not starting
« Reply #89 on: November 07, 2013, 04:21:05 PM »

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For pete's sake, Jordan Crawford starts.
Yes, and he beat Wallace for the starting spot fair and square.

Yep, we looked much better as a team with Crawford starting last night. For once this year we looked like a legit NBA team.

And as much as I don't like Bass, and I REALY don't like Bass, I have to admit Stevens has managed to get to him and make him a better player already this year on both ends of the floor.
Crawford takes some of the most awful shots I've seen, both in terms of form, and in terms of shot selection. But he can and does get people involved. He won't be confused for a great PG, but he's a tolerable stop-gap solution. Consider this: he's shooting .500 with a 3 to 1 AST/TO ratio.

Wallace couldn't score, couldn't distribute very well, and his (declining) physical gifts were largely nullified when he was matched against faster players. He has one assist less than Crawford on the season, and 12(!) more turnovers.

The only thing I don't like about Bass is that he's not a great rebounder, which pretty much requires that we pair him with an above average rebound in order to get good results. Otherwise, he's pretty good offensively and defensively -- I don't think it has much to do with Stevens, it's just more noticeable when he's higher up the totem pole.

Crawford is TERRIBLE.  You could see all night that he was looking only at his defender, to attack and dish if he had to after attacking.  No directing an offense, it was 90's ISO ball with him. 

At least Bradley tries to actually be a PG; he's just not a good passer, and great off the ball.  I'd say that's more tolerable than the Crawford Show, even though Crawford is a more skilled ball handler and passer.  His problem is wanting to be like Mike a bit too much, when he'd be better off trying to be Gary Payton.

Bass I like for not making many mistakes and being an increasingly scrappy defender, but I side with Wallace still being better as a F due to being multipositional, with better passing (can't be worse than no-pass Bass) and shooting (3pt range helps).  Wallace is still a great defender against F's of the type that Bass would line up against.

I still put just-past-prime Wallace ahead of both Bass and (barely in the NBA) Jordan Crawford.  Wallace pushes the ball well off of rebounds and creates breaks.  We're better with him, at least to the eye.