why Marshon Brooks isn't getting any minutes?

[ssspence]

He'll play some:

a) when the season is a little farther gone down the tubes

and

b) closer to christmas / january when there's at least a chance to increase his trade value as a scorer off the bench for an offensively challenged playoff team.

presumably the Cs goal is to get any level of 2nd rounder for him at the deadline, or let him expire.

[Jon]

Stevens is already going 9-10 guys deep on a pretty regular basis.  The only reason to go deeper into a rotation is if a) you have an older team and want to keep minutes down (like the Spurs have done in the past) or b) if you have nothing to lose and are looking to develop young talent.  Otherwise, you might as well play your most talented players as much as possible. 

One could argue the C's are in the "b" section here, but if they don't see Brooks as a part of the future, is it really worth giving him 10-15 minutes per game?  Even if he's only marginally worse than Crawford and Lee (and I think it may be more than that), unless Crawford or Lee is fatigued, why would the C's look to put a less talented player they don't see as part of the future on the floor? 

[Celtics4ever]

I daresay, so far, Crawford has beat him out.  If Crawford playing at his present high level of efficiency for him, then Brooks is not going to break in.   Crawford has been passing and shooting well.  Brooks is a one trick pony.

[nickagneta]

b) closer to christmas / january when there's at least a chance to increase his trade value as a scorer off the bench for an offensively challenged playoff team.

Just want to say that I see these comments all over the blog so this isn't meant towards you directly ssspence but in general.

NBA general managers do not make decisions on player value based on a few weeks of play. Playing Brooks for a few weeks or a month or two hoping he does well, doesn't increase his value in a trade.

NBA front offices have just a slew of film on every guy in the league. Their value is based on their baseline performance and the strengths and weaknesses they have shown for years while playing in the NBA.

Yes, sometimes a front office gets it wrong on a young player(see Danny Green) but that's a major exception and not the rule.

GMs around the league know who Marshon Brooks is as a player and what he can and can't do for a team and so is value is set. No amount of playing him for a few weeks or a couple of months is going to effect his trade value across the league.

And that goes for Lee, Bass, Wallace, Green, Crawford, and everyone else on this team that is an established player.

[DesertDweller]

b) closer to christmas / january when there's at least a chance to increase his trade value as a scorer off the bench for an offensively challenged playoff team.

Just want to say that I see these comments all over the blog so this isn't meant towards you directly ssspence but in general.

NBA general managers do not make decisions on player value based on a few weeks of play. Playing Brooks for a few weeks or a month or two hoping he does well, doesn't increase his value in a trade.

NBA front offices have just a slew of film on every guy in the league. Their value is based on their baseline performance and the strengths and weaknesses they have shown for years while playing in the NBA.

Yes, sometimes a front office gets it wrong on a young player(see Danny Green) but that's a major exception and not the rule.

GMs around the league know who Marshon Brooks is as a player and what he can and can't do for a team and so is value is set. No amount of playing him for a few weeks or a couple of months is going to effect his trade value across the league.

And that goes for Lee, Bass, Wallace, Green, Crawford, and everyone else on this team that is an established player.

So are you saying that it's useless to assume a player can improve??? sorry but that makes no sense to me.  you just can't say that some ancient archival film you have on someone is what he's all about!!!

[slamtheking]

b) closer to christmas / january when there's at least a chance to increase his trade value as a scorer off the bench for an offensively challenged playoff team.

Just want to say that I see these comments all over the blog so this isn't meant towards you directly ssspence but in general.

NBA general managers do not make decisions on player value based on a few weeks of play. Playing Brooks for a few weeks or a month or two hoping he does well, doesn't increase his value in a trade.

NBA front offices have just a slew of film on every guy in the league. Their value is based on their baseline performance and the strengths and weaknesses they have shown for years while playing in the NBA.

Yes, sometimes a front office gets it wrong on a young player(see Danny Green) but that's a major exception and not the rule.

GMs around the league know who Marshon Brooks is as a player and what he can and can't do for a team and so is value is set. No amount of playing him for a few weeks or a couple of months is going to effect his trade value across the league.

And that goes for Lee, Bass, Wallace, Green, Crawford, and everyone else on this team that is an established player.

So are you saying that it's useless to assume a player can improve??? sorry but that makes no sense to me.  you just can't say that some ancient archival film you have on someone is what he's all about!!!

Brooks is in his third year and shown no progress from his rookie year.

There's a reason his option wasn't picked up -- he's not good enough to get on the court even with this low-quality assortment of SGs on our roster.

[kozlodoev]

So are you saying that it's useless to assume a player can improve??? sorry but that makes no sense to me.  you just can't say that some ancient archival film you have on someone is what he's all about!!!

No, it's useless to assume that Marshon Brooks can improve.

[D.o.s.]

Zing.

[snowball]

Brooks should have gotten some minutes last night.
I hope he's traded to a team where he will be
given a chance to play.
This is ridiculous. He should have been given some time
last night. I hope he's gone after this season so
he can play again somewhere.
Brad Stevens is a dope in my opinion.


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[BudweiserCeltic]

Brooks should have gotten some minutes last night.
I hope he's traded to a team where he will be
given a chance to play.
This is ridiculous. He should have been given some time
last night. I hope he's gone after this season so
he can play again somewhere.
Brad Stevens is a dope in my opinion.


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Huh? He played last night. He sucked last night.

What are you getting at?

[KCattheStripe]

b) closer to christmas / january when there's at least a chance to increase his trade value as a scorer off the bench for an offensively challenged playoff team.

Just want to say that I see these comments all over the blog so this isn't meant towards you directly ssspence but in general.

NBA general managers do not make decisions on player value based on a few weeks of play. Playing Brooks for a few weeks or a month or two hoping he does well, doesn't increase his value in a trade.

NBA front offices have just a slew of film on every guy in the league. Their value is based on their baseline performance and the strengths and weaknesses they have shown for years while playing in the NBA.

Yes, sometimes a front office gets it wrong on a young player(see Danny Green) but that's a major exception and not the rule.

GMs around the league know who Marshon Brooks is as a player and what he can and can't do for a team and so is value is set. No amount of playing him for a few weeks or a couple of months is going to effect his trade value across the league.

And that goes for Lee, Bass, Wallace, Green, Crawford, and everyone else on this team that is an established player.

So are you saying that it's useless to assume a player can improve??? sorry but that makes no sense to me.  you just can't say that some ancient archival film you have on someone is what he's all about!!!

Ancient archival fim?  Not sure the film corroded and gathered dust since it was locked away in the spring of 2013, there Indy.

[moiso]

It was pretty funny when Rubio gave a tiny fake and Brooks jumped out of the way so Rubio could have a clear path to go in for the layup.  Even Rubio was laughing as he was taking the layup.  Classic Rubio and classic Brooks.

[Beat LA]

It was pretty funny when Rubio gave a tiny fake and Brooks jumped out of the way so Rubio could have a clear path to go in for the layup.  Even Rubio was laughing as he was taking the layup.  Classic Rubio and classic Brooks.

1)  That he was faked out on a great, split-second, inside-out dribble is no reason to bury the guy.  Jeesh.  He's probably more than a little rusty anyway with all of the playing time he's gotten this year 

2)  Does he need to work on defense?  Yes, but let's not forget that the kid does have a tremendous wingspan for a sg (7'1") that should really help him develop into a much better defender.  I'll stop right there before I sound too much like Jay Bilas.

3)  He's played 28 minutes now this year.  After missing his first midrange jumper, Max said something like, "That's no way to make the most of your opportunity."  No matter how hard you work, not everyone can be Vinnie Johnson.  I thought he was going to get pulled off the court right there, and I think Brooks was thinking the same thing.  You cannot have a guy not play and then take him out after he misses a shot or makes a mistake.  The coach of our high school basketball team did that.  I never played, but my friends did, and there would have been a lot of pressure on them to not make a mistake and get buried on the bench for the rest of the season, which is no way to play or develop players. 

4)  I think that had we kept him on draft night, he would've learned so much from Paul, Kevin, and that mercenary in south beach, especially Pierce.  Doc never would've played him, but the knowledge would've been invaluable to him, but that's my view.  Had Doc played him, he could have been a phenomenal weapon off the bench imo.

5)  Brooks actually has a really good post game, and Rubio was guarding him last night, yet we never got him the ball.  He did have position, but the matchup wasn't utilized (shocker), otherwise, he could have really exploited it and gained some much-needed confidence, as well as showed Stevens that he can play.  We still wouldn't have won, but he certainly could have boosted our offensive output on the second night of a back-to-back. 

Plus, as much as people want to bury him for some reason, he certainly wasn't nearly as bad as Jeff Green.  That was pathetic.  Jeff's a great guy and I really feel bad for the stuff he had to go through and I admire his effort to come back after the heart surgery, but he just doesn't have  that killer attitude or aggressive mindset.  He could probably help a team like Dallas (maybe) as a great supporting player, particularly defensively as Marion continues to slow down (their salaries match), but he's not a franchise player by any stretch.  Sorry Jeff, but you're just too nice on the court.  Idk what Danny sees in him, but whatever.  I think Marshon might have that Paul Pierce - like attitude, but we'll never know if he doesn't play.

If we really wanted to develop players, why didn't we sign Xavier Henry?  That kid has a ton of potential (not to mention that he's an inexpensive contract).  Even Devin Ebanks (why not?).  Why, Danny?  Why?

[LooseCannon]

3)  He's played 28 minutes now this year.  After missing his first midrange jumper, Max said something like, "That's no way to make the most of your opportunity."  No matter how hard you work, not everyone can be Vinnie Johnson.  I thought he was going to get pulled off the court right there, and I think Brooks was thinking the same thing.  You cannot have a guy not play and then take him out after he misses a shot or makes a mistake.  The coach of our high school basketball team did that.  I never played, but my friends did, and there would have been a lot of pressure on them to not make a mistake and get buried on the bench for the rest of the season, which is no way to play or develop players. 

Stevens isn't the sort who would yank a player for missing a shot he is supposed to take.  I think he would be quicker to remove a player who makes the sort of defensive mistake that suggests a lack of understanding about the system and what he is supposed to be doing.

[BballTim]

Have you seen his defense?








Nor have I!

  Haha. Too true.