with rondo would we still be 0-3??

[Chris]

2-2  I think.

This is what I think.

Yeah, me too. 

And it's not so much that Rondo is so great (although he is a really good player), but I think this team wouldn't be 0-4 if they even had a replacement level point guard. 

Heres how many wins I think this team would have this year, with the following three options.  Current healthy roster, Rondo, replacement level PG (lets say Luke Ridnour).

Current Roster: 20 wins
Rondo: 38 wins
Ridnour: 30 wins

Not having Rondo is tough.  But replacing Rondo with Bradley/Crawford is just embarasing. 

[nickagneta]

2-2  I think.

This is what I think.

Yeah, me too. 

And it's not so much that Rondo is so great (although he is a really good player), but I think this team wouldn't be 0-4 if they even had a replacement level point guard. 

Heres how many wins I think this team would have this year, with the following three options.  Current healthy roster, Rondo, replacement level PG (lets say Luke Ridnour).

Current Roster: 20 wins
Rondo: 38 wins
Ridnour: 30 wins

Not having Rondo is tough.  But replacing Rondo with Bradley/Crawford is just embarasing.

TP for expressing what I was thinking and saving me the time to rite it

[TwinTower14]

you are crazy...you think Rondo is responsible for 18 wins? that is crazy....

[manl_lui]

2-2  I think.

This is what I think.

Yeah, me too. 

And it's not so much that Rondo is so great (although he is a really good player), but I think this team wouldn't be 0-4 if they even had a replacement level point guard. 

Heres how many wins I think this team would have this year, with the following three options.  Current healthy roster, Rondo, replacement level PG (lets say Luke Ridnour).

Current Roster: 20 wins
Rondo: 38 wins
Ridnour: 30 wins

Not having Rondo is tough.  But replacing Rondo with Bradley/Crawford is just embarasing.

TP for expressing what I was thinking and saving me the time to rite it

2-2 sounds right, definitely would have won vs Raptors and Bucks imo

[CelticG1]

you are crazy...you think Rondo is responsible for 18 wins? that is crazy....

Well in his post its basically 18 more wins the difference between not having a point guard and having rondo. Yeah should make a significant difference.

He put a modest 8 more wins over a pretty average pg in ridnour

[TwinTower14]

I disagree with that, a few things in play.  Rondo still doesn't solve their rebounding problem, interior defense and 4th quarter scoring that has been the Achilles heel on this team for years.  Also, Rondo is coming off major knee surgery, which is not good for a guy that relies on speed as a major portion of his game.  With or without Rondo this roster is one of the worst in the league....I am ok with it because landing Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Exum, Smart or Embiid would move the process along quicker...

[Snakehead]

I'd say 1-3.  Boston is just not very good and Rondo isn't going to make that much difference.

We are first in turnovers and last in assists.  It's easy to see that he would be making a difference.

Talk about a record is all hypothetical but obviously Rondo fixes those stats big time.

I disagree with that, a few things in play.  Rondo still doesn't solve their rebounding problem, interior defense and 4th quarter scoring that has been the Achilles heel on this team for years.  Also, Rondo is coming off major knee surgery, which is not good for a guy that relies on speed as a major portion of his game.  With or without Rondo this roster is one of the worst in the league....I am ok with it because landing Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Exum, Smart or Embiid would move the process along quicker...

Our problems are not rebounding and interior D.

Like you say they are 4th qtr scoring (how wouldn't Rondo help with that?), scoring in general, passing, and turnovers.

Not to say we can't improve in those areas too but that is what has sunk us in these games.

[TwinTower14]

one more thing...and I preface this by saying I like Rondo, he is a great player but his whole career he has been surrounded by great shooters ( House, Ray, Pierce, KG, Terry etc ) when he comes back, who makes shots? Rondo is one of the handful of best passers in the league but he has nobody to knock down shots?

[TwinTower14]

27th in rebounding?  my point is that the C's have always been awful in the 4th quarter ( even with Rondo )because Pierce was the only guy that could get his own shot but at least they had elite defense to fall back on, now they have neither...

[Snakehead]

27th in rebounding?  my point is that the C's have always been awful in the 4th quarter ( even with Rondo )because Pierce was the only guy that could get his own shot but at least they had elite defense to fall back on, now they have neither...

Did you expect us to be near the top of the East?  We don't have much talent.  Comparing this team to teams past is a waste.

[Moranis]

2-2  I think.

This is what I think.

Yeah, me too. 

And it's not so much that Rondo is so great (although he is a really good player), but I think this team wouldn't be 0-4 if they even had a replacement level point guard. 

Heres how many wins I think this team would have this year, with the following three options.  Current healthy roster, Rondo, replacement level PG (lets say Luke Ridnour).

Current Roster: 20 wins
Rondo: 38 wins
Ridnour: 30 wins

Not having Rondo is tough.  But replacing Rondo with Bradley/Crawford is just embarasing.

This team is no where near a 38 win team with Rondo.  It just isn't very good.  Rondo will certainly help cut out turnovers and running the offense, but he isn't going to magically make bad players not bad.  The Celtics lack talent everywhere.  They just aren't very good.  This team was a .500 team last year with two actual legit #1/#2 scoring options in PP and KG (that was both before and after Rondo got hurt).  You can't just eliminate those type of players, basically not replace them at all, and expect the team to be only slightly worse.  This is a 15-20 win team without Rondo and a 25ish win team with him.  There just isn't talent on this team capable of winning a lot of games, even with Rondo.

[BballTim]

one more thing...and I preface this by saying I like Rondo, he is a great player but his whole career he has been surrounded by great shooters ( House, Ray, Pierce, KG, Terry etc ) when he comes back, who makes shots? Rondo is one of the handful of best passers in the league but he has nobody to knock down shots?

  Pretty much anyone who would shoot better if they got better shots, especially those who struggle to create their own offense would benefit from playing with Rondo. By my count there are quite a few such players on the team. Granted he's not going to turn this lot into the  Suns of Nash's heyday, but getting better shots would help the offense a lot, so would fewer turnovers.

[TwinTower14]

no, I expected this team to compete for the top pick in the draft.  This roster is awful, Rondo is not going to fix their problems, especially coming off a torn up knee.  Without Rondo, they may finish with the worst record in the league, with Rondo, they are probably a top 5 worst team in the league.  Wait until we get to Feb, when DA starts dealing off pieces like Bass, Lee etc...fans need to settle in for a 20 win season because that's where it's heading...

[D.o.s.]

one more thing...and I preface this by saying I like Rondo, he is a great player but his whole career he has been surrounded by great shooters ( House, Ray, Pierce, KG, Terry etc ) when he comes back, who makes shots? Rondo is one of the handful of best passers in the league but he has nobody to knock down shots?

  Pretty much anyone who would shoot better if they got better shots, especially those who struggle to create their own offense would benefit from playing with Rondo. By my count there are quite a few such players on the team. Granted he's not going to turn this lot into the  Suns of Nash's heyday, but getting better shots would help the offense a lot, so would fewer turnovers.

The team seems to be best when they're doing a discount special 7SoL offense. Would like to see the pace stay fast when Rondo returns.

[PhoSita]

2-2  I think.

This is what I think.

Yeah, me too. 

And it's not so much that Rondo is so great (although he is a really good player), but I think this team wouldn't be 0-4 if they even had a replacement level point guard. 

Heres how many wins I think this team would have this year, with the following three options.  Current healthy roster, Rondo, replacement level PG (lets say Luke Ridnour).

Current Roster: 20 wins
Rondo: 38 wins
Ridnour: 30 wins

Not having Rondo is tough.  But replacing Rondo with Bradley/Crawford is just embarasing.

TP for expressing what I was thinking and saving me the time to rite it

Current: 15
Rondo: 30
Ridnour: 23