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Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #45 on: November 04, 2013, 06:57:28 PM »

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Pressey should be starting at point guard.  I don't care if he's a rookie.  This team is not going anywhere anyway.  Play him!
What if you play him, he plays poorly, loses his confidence and he never gains it back? Then, because you have rushed a player that wasn't ready yet, you may have destroyed what could have been a good asset going forward.

Make players earn playing time. You don't just give them playing time. Giving players time they haven't earned or aren't ready for yet is the best way for a coach to destroy a player and lose the respect of the other players in the locker room.

One more thing, you talk of destroying Pressey's confidence. But what about AB? Where do you think his confidence is right now? He's a young guy being put in position he can't possibly excel at.
AB is a vet with a ton of experience. He understands the situation. You are going to kill the confidence of a 3+ year NBA veteran that is used to playing big NBA minutes.

That's patently and demonstratively false. Sports is riddled with players who have had their confidence crushed and have never been able to recover. See Greg Zahn, Chuck Knoblauch, Rick Aniel and Chuck Hayes among others.
Thanks for those fabulous examples that demonstrate that I am right only 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time.

Zahn, was a guy that didn't start as a player until he was 33 and was on steroids. Knoblauch was a player with the worst case of the yips in MLB history. Ankiel is possibly the biggest head case problem in MLB in the last 25 years and Hayes(not sure why he is even on this list).

The chances of leaving experienced pros in games when they are struggling will crush their confidence and render them useless so often the C's need to bench AB for an unproven, undersized, undrafted rookie because they have to worry about Bradley's confidence after 3 games.

Right. You should email that to Danny Ainge. He probably needs a good laugh.

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #46 on: November 04, 2013, 07:11:13 PM »

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Ummm duh. We all know that. Wake up he's the most overrated Celtic in the last 10 years

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #47 on: November 04, 2013, 07:41:48 PM »

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Pressey should be starting at point guard.  I don't care if he's a rookie.  This team is not going anywhere anyway.  Play him!
What if you play him, he plays poorly, loses his confidence and he never gains it back? Then, because you have rushed a player that wasn't ready yet, you may have destroyed what could have been a good asset going forward.

Make players earn playing time. You don't just give them playing time. Giving players time they haven't earned or aren't ready for yet is the best way for a coach to destroy a player and lose the respect of the other players in the locker room.
True but players can also lose confidence sitting the bench and gain confidence playing.

Exactly.  I think Pressey will be fine either way.
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Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #48 on: November 05, 2013, 09:12:22 PM »

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Ummm duh. We all know that. Wake up he's the most overrated Celtic in the last 10 years
Have to say this appears to be the case. Who was guarding Jerrod Bayless last night when he went off for 15 in the 4th quarter?

Bradley shoots too much.

Bradley is a little undersized.

Bradley may have benefitted from having 4 all-stars around him.

Sorry I'm done with the kid.

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2013, 10:46:12 AM »

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Zahn, was a guy that didn't start as a player until he was 33 and was on steroids. Knoblauch was a player with the worst case of the yips in MLB history. Ankiel is possibly the biggest head case problem in MLB in the last 25 years and Hayes(not sure why he is even on this list).

The chances of leaving experienced pros in games when they are struggling will crush their confidence and render them useless so often the C's need to bench AB for an unproven, undersized, undrafted rookie because they have to worry about Bradley's confidence after 3 games.

Right. You should email that to Danny Ainge. He probably needs a good laugh.
And Chuck Hayes is a 6'6 center who has had one decent NBA season sandwiched in the middle of 7 mediocre ones. So yeah, a good laugh sounds about right.

But yes, they'll have to bench Bradley sooner or later. Not because of confidence issues, of course -- he'll just play himself out of the starting lineup eventually.
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Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2013, 10:54:58 AM »

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Bradley is a great role player on a championship caliber team...He doesn't serve much purpose on this roster, probably the reason Ainge isn't going to sign him and he will get moved at the deadline....

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2013, 11:08:30 AM »

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Ummm duh. We all know that. Wake up he's the most overrated Celtic in the last 10 years

At least a goldfish with a Lincoln Log on its back goin' across your floor to your sock drawer has a miraculous connotation to it.

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2013, 01:37:52 PM »

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Bradley is a great role player on a championship caliber team...He doesn't serve much purpose on this roster, probably the reason Ainge isn't going to sign him and he will get moved at the deadline....
What makes you think Ainge isn't going to sign him? Because he didn't extend him early? That happens allthe time in the NBA and the players still get signed by their teams.

Tony Allen wasn't extended early and yet Danny signed him for another contract. Same for Kendrick Perkins. Tons of players hit restricted free agency and then get resigned by their teams. Depending on the market and the player it can help reduce the total contract that you resign the player for.

Look what happened with Big Baby. he hit RFA thinking he would get all kinds of offers. He ended up resigning here for 2 years and $6 million total. Sometimes letting these players hit RFA is a good thing

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #53 on: November 06, 2013, 01:40:43 PM »

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he may resign but if the C's land a high pick I bet you he doesn't sign him.  What kind of value does he have on this team? If they land Exum, Wiggins or Parker? why have him on this team? Especially if Green is still here? I bet he is gone by Feb...

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #54 on: November 06, 2013, 01:49:54 PM »

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he may resign but if the C's land a high pick I bet you he doesn't sign him.  What kind of value does he have on this team? If they land Exum, Wiggins or Parker? why have him on this team? Especially if Green is still here? I bet he is gone by Feb...
He has ton of value on this team with those players, none of which play SG.Wiggins or Parker alone is not a whole team. You still need other players. If he can be gotten for a contract of $2-3 years for $9-10 million total, then that's a lot of value for a player that can be what Bradley can be when playing the position he was meant to play.

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #55 on: November 06, 2013, 01:58:27 PM »

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Wiggins / Parker and Exum are athletic enough to play SG or SF and if Green is still on this team, they will play one of those positions.  Bradley has tremendous value to a team that is in the hunt come playoffs, he will get moved at the deadline.  He had value on the C's teams of the past but not this one?  His biggest skill set is on the ball defending, everything else he does is below average.  Somebody will cough up a pick or an expiring contract for him at the deadline...and if they do, DA should jump all over it...

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #56 on: November 06, 2013, 02:05:25 PM »

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Wiggins / Parker and Exum are athletic enough to play SG or SF and if Green is still on this team, they will play one of those positions.  Bradley has tremendous value to a team that is in the hunt come playoffs, he will get moved at the deadline.  He had value on the C's teams of the past but not this one?  His biggest skill set is on the ball defending, everything else he does is below average.  Somebody will cough up a pick or an expiring contract for him at the deadline...and if they do, DA should jump all over it...
Having great complimentary players signed to low per year contracts is a valuable thing to have as an NBA franchise so I will just say I completely disagree and leave it at that.

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #57 on: November 06, 2013, 02:13:50 PM »

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If Bradley doesn't improve his offensive game he will never get significant minutes or play as a starter on a good team. Playing the 1 and all the responsibilities of running the team is just not in his psyche. I'm guessing 3-5 turnovers from him tonight if he plays a lot of pg minutes.
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Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #58 on: November 06, 2013, 02:17:21 PM »

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we can agree to disagree but I don't see a lot of value in a guy that is too small to play SG and he doesn't have any PG skills...If you land a top 5 pick and have a healthy Rondo.  Rondo, ( Wiggins, Parker, Exum, Smart ) or Green would be logging the majority of those minutes....at those three positions...

Re: Avery Bradley is not a point guard
« Reply #59 on: November 06, 2013, 02:20:03 PM »

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we can agree to disagree but I don't see a lot of value in a guy that is too small to play SG and he doesn't have any PG skills...If you land a top 5 pick and have a healthy Rondo.  Rondo, ( Wiggins, Parker, Exum, Smart ) or Green would be logging the majority of those minutes....at those three positions...
So you don't need backups with reasonable contracts that have special skills?