Why was Jeff Green on the bench late in the 4th?

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Glad to see Stevens more energetic and emotionally engaged; but not sure why no one has mentioned Lee's atrocious night. When Green sits we need Brooks in for scoring. Brooks is much better than Lee or Crawford IMO and playing Lee and Crawford together in the 4th was what got us in trouble.

I'd rather really have the chucker version of Jordan Crawford than MarShon. We are getting more from Crawford (mainly assists, a little better 3 point shooting and ball handling) than Brooks.

If we have Green on the bench and we need scoring, we need to wake chucker Jordan Crawford up. It may not be efficient, but hey, this kid dropped 39 against the Heat at one point and has two triple doubles in his career. I'd rather have that on the floor than MarShon who I supported but was obviously wrong.

I haven't read through but I wanna say to your point. Crawford played very well and didn't get the minutes he deserved, he hit most of his shots and had some nice passes out there. Maybe I missed it but his D didn't seem bad to me. He should have played when we were struggling to score at times. He was scoring the ball easily w/ passing and shooting.

[chambers]

Because it's the strategy for the season.

1) build up Green's trade value whilst not winning more than 25 games.
2) Get Rondo back for 15-20 games and build his value up as much as possible. (without winning more than 25 games)
3) Build Avery's value
4) Build Sully's value
5) Try and build Bass+Lee's value to contenders

two paths are possible as this stage- but they both need our mediocre role players to look better than they really are.

1) Go nuclear and full blown rebuild mode. Get as much as you can for a package of Rondo+Green+Bradley while dumping Wallace's deal in picks/young talent.

Or

2) Try and move Green+Avery+ Wallace in order to get cap space for some real superstar free agents or draft picks to help Rondo.

The goal for Danny is nothing less than a championship, as soon as possible. Rondo's 28 or 29 now so he's got 4-5 good years left of 'prime time'. Either get him the All Star help he needs now before extending him by moving our solid role players/bums/hopefuls

OR move him and get what you can back in order to rebuild as fast as possible.

We need to showcase these ponies and build their value up.
Danny needs to move them for mid first round picks or package them with Rondo to take back salary and a lottery pick, or use them to get a superstar big man + All Star wing player of some kind.

[Fan from VT]

Maybe it was because he still played 37 minutes, so Stevens is still learning when/how to control minutes in a 48 minute game.

Or maybe it's a complex conspiracy.

[sed522002]

I really don't know why it's a big discussion, but I understand that there will be more like this for the remainder of the season.

Stevens was riding the hot hand and didn't want to take them out. He thought he could afford Jeff some rest so he could have some fresh legs for the end. Had Stevens taken Jeff out during the run there would be a problem with that too.

Jeff sitting wasn't the problem. Them not getting rebounds and missing easy shots around the rim was a bigger problem.

[Celtics18]

Because it's the strategy for the season.

1) build up Green's trade value whilst not winning more than 25 games.
2) Get Rondo back for 15-20 games and build his value up as much as possible. (without winning more than 25 games)
3) Build Avery's value
4) Build Sully's value
5) Try and build Bass+Lee's value to contenders

two paths are possible as this stage- but they both need our mediocre role players to look better than they really are.

1) Go nuclear and full blown rebuild mode. Get as much as you can for a package of Rondo+Green+Bradley while dumping Wallace's deal in picks/young talent.

Or

2) Try and move Green+Avery+ Wallace in order to get cap space for some real superstar free agents or draft picks to help Rondo.

The goal for Danny is nothing less than a championship, as soon as possible. Rondo's 28 or 29 now so he's got 4-5 good years left of 'prime time'. Either get him the All Star help he needs now before extending him by moving our solid role players/bums/hopefuls

OR move him and get what you can back in order to rebuild as fast as possible.

We need to showcase these ponies and build their value up.
Danny needs to move them for mid first round picks or package them with Rondo to take back salary and a lottery pick, or use them to get a superstar big man + All Star wing player of some kind.

Which is it?:

You are just guessing?

You couldn't find Rondo's actual birth date on the inter webs?

You couldn't borrow an extra set of toes or fingers to do the math?

You think Rondo is lying about his age a la Shabazz Mohammed?

Or, you are deliberately giving false information to prove a point?

Anyway, I'd like to set the record straight:

Rondo was born on February 22nd, 1986, making him 27 years old now. 

[D.o.s.]

Occam's Razor.

Like a few other posters have said, he played the entire third quarter, and sat for four minutes in the early stages of the fourth. Pulling a tired player, or tanking?

Gotta disprove the simple hypothesis before moving on to the next one.

[chambers]

Because it's the strategy for the season.

1) build up Green's trade value whilst not winning more than 25 games.
2) Get Rondo back for 15-20 games and build his value up as much as possible. (without winning more than 25 games)
3) Build Avery's value
4) Build Sully's value
5) Try and build Bass+Lee's value to contenders

two paths are possible as this stage- but they both need our mediocre role players to look better than they really are.

1) Go nuclear and full blown rebuild mode. Get as much as you can for a package of Rondo+Green+Bradley while dumping Wallace's deal in picks/young talent.

Or

2) Try and move Green+Avery+ Wallace in order to get cap space for some real superstar free agents or draft picks to help Rondo.

The goal for Danny is nothing less than a championship, as soon as possible. Rondo's 28 or 29 now so he's got 4-5 good years left of 'prime time'. Either get him the All Star help he needs now before extending him by moving our solid role players/bums/hopefuls

OR move him and get what you can back in order to rebuild as fast as possible.

We need to showcase these ponies and build their value up.
Danny needs to move them for mid first round picks or package them with Rondo to take back salary and a lottery pick, or use them to get a superstar big man + All Star wing player of some kind.

Which is it?:

You are just guessing?

You couldn't find Rondo's actual birth date on the inter webs?

You couldn't borrow an extra set of toes or fingers to do the math?

You think Rondo is lying about his age a la Shabazz Mohammed?

Or, you are deliberately giving false information to prove a point?

Anyway, I'd like to set the record straight:

Rondo was born on February 22nd, 1986, making him 27 years old now.

I'm sorry. I stand corrected. I actually thought he was already 28. If he does come back in December then by the time he plays a game this season he'll be 3 months away from 28.

So yeah, he's got 4 or 5 years left in his prime- give or take 3 or 4 months. If we keep him we obviously want to capitalize on those years. If not, we want to capitalize on opportunities to get us closer to a championship and give us maximum value for him while he's still considered an All Star level player.

No need to get defensive or angry- It's just my opinion. I understand it's frustrating when you start realizing that it's quite possible that we are tanking.
Nothing of anything I've said is less opinion or conjecture than anything you or anyone else has said as to why Stephens sat Jeff Green at the end of this game.

In my opinion Doc wouldn't have sat Pierce in that situation last year- or Jeff Green now that he's the go to guy. Heck even KG on restricted limits played the last 5 minutes in close games like that.

Again, why would we sit our best player, who's having a monster game- who doesn't have any minute restrictions, at the end of a close, easily winnable game like that?
Who knows- all we can do is speculate.

My opinion is that we sat him to increase our % chances of losing.
Just like losing as many games like the Toronto game as possible this season will increase our % chances of getting Wiggins or Parker.

Danny's a numbers guy.

[D.o.s.]

Because it's the strategy for the season.

1) build up Green's trade value whilst not winning more than 25 games.
2) Get Rondo back for 15-20 games and build his value up as much as possible. (without winning more than 25 games)
3) Build Avery's value
4) Build Sully's value
5) Try and build Bass+Lee's value to contenders

two paths are possible as this stage- but they both need our mediocre role players to look better than they really are.

1) Go nuclear and full blown rebuild mode. Get as much as you can for a package of Rondo+Green+Bradley while dumping Wallace's deal in picks/young talent.

Or

2) Try and move Green+Avery+ Wallace in order to get cap space for some real superstar free agents or draft picks to help Rondo.

The goal for Danny is nothing less than a championship, as soon as possible. Rondo's 28 or 29 now so he's got 4-5 good years left of 'prime time'. Either get him the All Star help he needs now before extending him by moving our solid role players/bums/hopefuls

OR move him and get what you can back in order to rebuild as fast as possible.

We need to showcase these ponies and build their value up.
Danny needs to move them for mid first round picks or package them with Rondo to take back salary and a lottery pick, or use them to get a superstar big man + All Star wing player of some kind.

Which is it?:

You are just guessing?

You couldn't find Rondo's actual birth date on the inter webs?

You couldn't borrow an extra set of toes or fingers to do the math?

You think Rondo is lying about his age a la Shabazz Mohammed?

Or, you are deliberately giving false information to prove a point?

Anyway, I'd like to set the record straight:

Rondo was born on February 22nd, 1986, making him 27 years old now.

I'm sorry. I stand corrected. I actually thought he was already 28. If he does come back in December then by the time he plays a game this season he'll be 3 months away from 28.

So yeah, he's got 4 or 5 years left in his prime- give or take 3 or 4 months. If we keep him we obviously want to capitalize on those years. If not, we want to capitalize on opportunities to get us closer to a championship and give us maximum value for him while he's still considered an All Star level player.

No need to get defensive or angry- It's just my opinion. I understand it's frustrating when you start realizing that it's quite possible that we are tanking.
Nothing of anything I've said is less opinion or conjecture than anything you or anyone else has said as to why Stephens sat Jeff Green at the end of this game.

In my opinion Doc wouldn't have sat Pierce in that situation last year- or Jeff Green now that he's the go to guy. Heck even KG on restricted limits played the last 5 minutes in close games like that.

Again, why would we sit our best player, who's having a monster game- who doesn't have any minute restrictions, at the end of a close, easily winnable game like that?
Who knows- all we can do is speculate.

My opinion is that we sat him to increase our % chances of losing.
Just like losing as many games like the Toronto game as possible this season will increase our % chances of getting Wiggins or Parker.

Danny's a numbers guy.

Normally I agree with your analysis, but it doesn't hold up. Green was on the floor for 15 minutes straight after playing most of the first half. He got a break early in the fourth, then came back in to finish the game.

Seemed like a pretty normal rotation strategy to me.

[Celtics18]

Because it's the strategy for the season.

1) build up Green's trade value whilst not winning more than 25 games.
2) Get Rondo back for 15-20 games and build his value up as much as possible. (without winning more than 25 games)
3) Build Avery's value
4) Build Sully's value
5) Try and build Bass+Lee's value to contenders

two paths are possible as this stage- but they both need our mediocre role players to look better than they really are.

1) Go nuclear and full blown rebuild mode. Get as much as you can for a package of Rondo+Green+Bradley while dumping Wallace's deal in picks/young talent.

Or

2) Try and move Green+Avery+ Wallace in order to get cap space for some real superstar free agents or draft picks to help Rondo.

The goal for Danny is nothing less than a championship, as soon as possible. Rondo's 28 or 29 now so he's got 4-5 good years left of 'prime time'. Either get him the All Star help he needs now before extending him by moving our solid role players/bums/hopefuls

OR move him and get what you can back in order to rebuild as fast as possible.

We need to showcase these ponies and build their value up.
Danny needs to move them for mid first round picks or package them with Rondo to take back salary and a lottery pick, or use them to get a superstar big man + All Star wing player of some kind.

Which is it?:

You are just guessing?

You couldn't find Rondo's actual birth date on the inter webs?

You couldn't borrow an extra set of toes or fingers to do the math?

You think Rondo is lying about his age a la Shabazz Mohammed?

Or, you are deliberately giving false information to prove a point?

Anyway, I'd like to set the record straight:

Rondo was born on February 22nd, 1986, making him 27 years old now.

I'm sorry. I stand corrected. I actually thought he was already 28. If he does come back in December then by the time he plays a game this season he'll be 3 months away from 28.

So yeah, he's got 4 or 5 years left in his prime- give or take 3 or 4 months. If we keep him we obviously want to capitalize on those years. If not, we want to capitalize on opportunities to get us closer to a championship and give us maximum value for him while he's still considered an All Star level player.

No need to get defensive or angry- It's just my opinion. I understand it's frustrating when you start realizing that it's quite possible that we are tanking.
Nothing of anything I've said is less opinion or conjecture than anything you or anyone else has said as to why Stephens sat Jeff Green at the end of this game.

In my opinion Doc wouldn't have sat Pierce in that situation last year- or Jeff Green now that he's the go to guy. Heck even KG on restricted limits played the last 5 minutes in close games like that.

Again, why would we sit our best player, who's having a monster game- who doesn't have any minute restrictions, at the end of a close, easily winnable game like that?
Who knows- all we can do is speculate.

My opinion is that we sat him to increase our % chances of losing.
Just like losing as many games like the Toronto game as possible this season will increase our % chances of getting Wiggins or Parker.

Danny's a numbers guy.

Firstly, sorry for the tone of my last post.  I realize it was a tad snarky.

However, I assure you that my frustration was in absolutely in no way caused by the belief that the Cs might be tanking.  I don't think we are actively tanking.  I find the fact that folks are using the example of our best player only playing  20 out of 24 minutes in the second half as evidence of tanking to be farcical.