Could C's get G.Hayward ?

[Endless Paradise]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mn24lq2

3 team trade.

hayward to boston
jerebko and brooks to utah add in the 2014 brooklyn pick
avery to detroit

detroit needs a sg. nice one. avery.
utah needs a sf to replace hayward, which jerebko CAN play
utah also gets brooks - a nice young player and the brooklyn pick.

if youre boston and you wouldnt do this trade, you arent evaluating haywards value properly. detroit may do it, and so would utah.

Boston would do it in a heartbeat, Detroit might do it just to get rid of Jerebko, but Utah would laugh right in your face.  Jerebko has been pretty average, Brooks even more so, and the 2014 Nets pick is almost useless since there's no way it's any better than 20 (and that if the Nets have a bad season).  They are getting nothing of any legitimate value for one of their better players.  At the very least, send Avery to Utah; they still wouldn't do that, but that's at least way more reasonable.

And Detroit has a shooting guard already.  Several shooting guards, at that.  Including Caldwell-Pope, who they just drafted.

[crimson_stallion]

I would never do this.  Don't like Hayward at all, and no idea what the fascination is with himon this board.  He has shown me nothing special at all in what I've seen of him so fast. 

[pearljammer10]

I would never do this.  Don't like Hayward at all, and no idea what the fascination is with himon this board.  He has shown me nothing special at all in what I've seen of him so fast.

ditto

[Boris Badenov]

How can Lee and Bass have negative value when Big Baby had value at over 6mil for 4 years to a team that's rebuilding?  And that's after shooting 39% for 4.9 points and 3.6 rebounds in 21min as the team's primary center during the playoffs.

There's your answer. Lee literally couldn't get off the bench for a team that went significantly less far in the playoffs last year. For all his flaws, Baby was a valuable rotation player on championship/finals teams.

[jyyzzoel]

I would never do this.  Don't like Hayward at all, and no idea what the fascination is with himon this board.  He has shown me nothing special at all in what I've seen of him so fast.

ditto

personally, this explains everything:
http://wagesofwins.com/2013/09/24/is-demarcus-cousins-worth-80-million/

basically he's the 3rd best player from the 2010 class

[Boris Badenov]

I would never do this.  Don't like Hayward at all, and no idea what the fascination is with himon this board.  He has shown me nothing special at all in what I've seen of him so fast.

ditto

personally, this explains everything:
http://wagesofwins.com/2013/09/24/is-demarcus-cousins-worth-80-million/

basically he's the 3rd best player from the 2010 class

I like Hayward, but would any GM in the league rather have him over Favors or Wall?

And what do we make of a method that has Ed Davis and Larry Sanders ranked equally?

[BASS_THUMPER]

i like him
you can tell he has played ball in the hood
he got a lil swag
but not for Bass

[jyyzzoel]

I would never do this.  Don't like Hayward at all, and no idea what the fascination is with himon this board.  He has shown me nothing special at all in what I've seen of him so fast.

ditto

personally, this explains everything:
http://wagesofwins.com/2013/09/24/is-demarcus-cousins-worth-80-million/

basically he's the 3rd best player from the 2010 class

I like Hayward, but would any GM in the league rather have him over Favors or Wall?

And what do we make of a method that has Ed Davis and Larry Sanders ranked equally?

when you put it like that...

[saltlover]

Bradley and Brooks for Hayward?  Salaries match quite nicely, and AB should be cheaper than Hayward to extend, while Brooks gives them another low-cost player.

My bigger/slightly more realistic hope is that Hayward gets traded to the C's in a S&T next offseason.  The first year value can be the exception from the Nets trade. 

[KGs Knee]

Hayward is nice player.  He'd also going to likely end up being overpaid by someone.

He's a borderline terrible defender, and isn't an impact scorer on offense.  He's super efficient and excellent shooter.

That screams JJ Redick money.  He's looking at least at getting Jeff Green money.  I say pass.  There's always someone willing overpay, let it be some other team.

[PhoSita]

Rondo and Lee for Hayward, Burke, and the Jazz's 2014 1st.

Cs can throw in the Brooklyn first from this year if necessary.

[Galeto]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mn24lq2

3 team trade.

hayward to boston
jerebko and brooks to utah add in the 2014 brooklyn pick
avery to detroit

detroit needs a sg. nice one. avery.
utah needs a sf to replace hayward, which jerebko CAN play
utah also gets brooks - a nice young player and the brooklyn pick.

if youre boston and you wouldnt do this trade, you arent evaluating haywards value properly. detroit may do it, and so would utah.

Boston would do it in a heartbeat, Detroit might do it just to get rid of Jerebko, but Utah would laugh right in your face.  Jerebko has been pretty average, Brooks even more so, and the 2014 Nets pick is almost useless since there's no way it's any better than 20 (and that if the Nets have a bad season).  They are getting nothing of any legitimate value for one of their better players.  At the very least, send Avery to Utah; they still wouldn't do that, but that's at least way more reasonable.

And Detroit has a shooting guard already.  Several shooting guards, at that.  Including Caldwell-Pope, who they just drafted.

Oh come on, Utah would kill for that.  For their best player, they would eagerly take the 8th best player on the Pistons, a player in Brooks who looked so good in the preseason that he might be out of the rotation for a team that might fail to win 30 games and a late first-round  pick.  The relief of no longer having to negotiate a new deal for Hayward would be reason enough for them to do it.

[Galeto]

Rondo and Lee for Hayward, Burke, and the Jazz's 2014 1st.

Cs can throw in the Brooklyn first from this year if necessary.

Utah is giving up way too much.  As good as Rondo is, he's not wort.h Hayward, who is a very solid player with the potential to put up a 19/5/5 line this season, Burke, who's been mostly disappointing but isn't without promise and a lottery pick.

[Moranis]

Without giving up Rondo, I would think it would take something like Bradley and Sullinger for them to even pick up the phone (not that they would do that, but that would at least get the teams talking). 

Now if you move Rondo, I think there could be a trade there, something centered around Haywood and Burke for Rondo with various other pieces, but even then I'm not sure Utah does it as I don't think Rondo fits what they are currently doing (before they let Millsap and Jefferson go, I think they would have been more inclined to acquire Rondo, but not now).

[kozlodoev]

How can Lee and Bass have negative value when Big Baby had value at over 6mil for 4 years to a team that's rebuilding?  And that's after shooting 39% for 4.9 points and 3.6 rebounds in 21min as the team's primary center during the playoffs.

There's your answer. Lee literally couldn't get off the bench for a team that went significantly less far in the playoffs last year. For all his flaws, Baby was a valuable rotation player on championship/finals teams.

Glen Davis is a player with considerably more upside than either Lee or Bass. He is still probably overpaid in Orlando, but that doesn't change the fact that Lee and Bass are not worth their contracts to a rebuilding team.