Simmons Trade Idea. Jeff Green

[Galeto]

I think we can get Asik for Bass and a future 1st. No reason to give away Green, who I know a lot of people here sorta despise.

Bass kinda makes sense in their lineup too. While he doesnt have a a long range, he can still extend to about 18 feet, opening up more space for Howard. A solid rebounder and he shown can be a good perimeter defender too.

The future pick is to compensate for the years Bass is still under contract. The Clips' first maybe, which will amount to a bench guy. Asik is worth it. Rebounds and interior defense alone.

Strongly disagree. Asik is one of the top 3 defensive centers in the league, after a healthy Howard, and well...maybe Marc Gasol, maybe Larry Sanders or Roy Hibbert if those guys make a big jump this season, maybe Drummond too, or Chandler if he regains earlier form. But Asik was (and this is off the cuff) maybe the biggest 30 minutes per game defensive difference maker in the league last year.

EDIT: And Noah. healthy Howard>Noah>Asik are my picks for centers

Duncan is still a great center and yes, he's still a center or just a big.  Last season was as good a defensive season by percentages as he's ever had.  He put up the third best total rebounding percentage and the best block percentage of his career last season. It's pretty astounding. 

[aporel#18]

I wouldn't pay 20M in two years for Asik. I watched him play this summer in the Eurobasket and he was terrible (just like Gortat, by the way).

Asik doesn't fit with this year's Cs, he is a better Perk in the Perk role, and it would've been good before, but right now he could help a team like OKC, but not the Cs.

Houston will try to send Asik and maximize his return, but his contract is a big no-no (cap hit 8M, but you pay him 15M next season). You won't be able to use him as a big expiring contract next season, but still overpay him. And no, the fact that McGee is making the same money doesn't help.

If Morey wants Rondo I want the right to swap picks with HOU every year until 2058, plus Harden. If you have a leader, you don't need to trade him.

[pearljammer10]

If we had Pierce and KG id say it would be a no brainer. But id rather see what Green can do as a number one option before trading him for Osik. Would love to have Osik in the middle (I mean, anyone in the middle really. Why cant we ever have legit centers in Boston?!!)

I just dont think Osik is the type of player you build around during a rebuilding effort. Especially with his price tag.

[CelticG1]

Ha really don't think Asik makes us much better.

He had a lot better players in houston and mustered 8th seed 45 wins. Yeah its the west but still.

I'm so indifferent on this trade because I think we end up being just as sucky either way so whatever

[Smittymks]

I agree, this trade does nothing for the Celts.  I would rather have Green in my opinion unless you can unload some salary.

[crimson_stallion]

Omg no!

Why would a team desperately lacking in offense trade it's best offensive player in return for a fringe starter with zero offensive ability.

Everyone hear was refusing trades for Josh Smith and Gortat on grounds that we need superstars not role players...now here are all salivating over trading our best assets for horridly average guys like Asik and Gordon Hayward?  People really confuse me on here...

How about we trade Rondo, Green, Sully, Bradley, Olynyk and all of our first round picks for Tayshaun Prince?  That seems to fit in with the general thinking around here, so I'm sure it will be a very popular idea!

[Galeto]

Omg no!

Why would a team desperately lacking in offense trade it's best offensive player in return for a fringe starter with zero offensive ability.

Everyone hear was refusing trades for Josh Smith and Gortat on grounds that we need superstars not role players...now here are all salivating over trading our best assets for horridly average guys like Asik and Gordon Hayward?  People really confuse me on here...

How about we trade Rondo, Green, Sully, Bradley, Olynyk and all of our first round picks for Tayshaun Prince?  That seems to fit in with the general thinking around here, so I'm sure it will be a very popular idea!

How is Asik a fringe starter?  A top defensive center is a definite starter.  If you're talking fringe starters, that would be Green at small forward.

[indeedproceed]

Omg no!

Why would a team desperately lacking in offense trade it's best offensive player in return for a fringe starter with zero offensive ability.

Everyone hear was refusing trades for Josh Smith and Gortat on grounds that we need superstars not role players...now here are all salivating over trading our best assets for horridly average guys like Asik and Gordon Hayward?  People really confuse me on here...

How about we trade Rondo, Green, Sully, Bradley, Olynyk and all of our first round picks for Tayshaun Prince?  That seems to fit in with the general thinking around here, so I'm sure it will be a very popular idea!

How is Asik a fringe starter?  A top defensive center is a definite starter.  If you're talking fringe starters, that would be Green at small forward.

Right. Above Asik defensively I've got Howard, Noah, potentially Hibbert if he keeps up his form from the 13 playoffs. Elite defender, elite rebounder. I guess M Gasol is in the conversation too, but I think his defensive chops are a but overrated.

[kozlodoev]

Omg no!

Why would a team desperately lacking in offense trade it's best offensive player in return for a fringe starter with zero offensive ability.

Everyone hear was refusing trades for Josh Smith and Gortat on grounds that we need superstars not role players...now here are all salivating over trading our best assets for horridly average guys like Asik and Gordon Hayward?  People really confuse me on here...

How about we trade Rondo, Green, Sully, Bradley, Olynyk and all of our first round picks for Tayshaun Prince?  That seems to fit in with the general thinking around here, so I'm sure it will be a very popular idea!

How is Asik a fringe starter?  A top defensive center is a definite starter.  If you're talking fringe starters, that would be Green at small forward.

Green is not in any shape or form more fringe than Asik. Unless, of course, your comparison is limited only to their body of work last season.

[Who]

Omg no!

Why would a team desperately lacking in offense trade it's best offensive player in return for a fringe starter with zero offensive ability.

Everyone hear was refusing trades for Josh Smith and Gortat on grounds that we need superstars not role players...now here are all salivating over trading our best assets for horridly average guys like Asik and Gordon Hayward?  People really confuse me on here...

How about we trade Rondo, Green, Sully, Bradley, Olynyk and all of our first round picks for Tayshaun Prince?  That seems to fit in with the general thinking around here, so I'm sure it will be a very popular idea!

How is Asik a fringe starter?  A top defensive center is a definite starter.  If you're talking fringe starters, that would be Green at small forward.

Green is not in any shape or form more fringe than Asik. Unless, of course, your comparison is limited only to their body of work last season.

I think they are both middle of the pack starters at their respective positions.

Neither a fringe starter.

[Moranis]

I think they could get more for Asik than just Green.  And they have Parsons at SF so I don't think their is much there as far trades go (Green and Wallace are awful at PF).

I think the only trade that makes sense for Houston is acquiring Rondo.  I think something like this might make sense for both teams

Rondo, Bass, and Green

for

Lin, Asik, Parsons, Jones, Motiejunas, and Garcia (when he can be traded)


Puts Houston into full on contending with Rondo, Harden, Green, Bass, and Howard as the starting five and gives Boston a lot of younger assets to work with while shaving a year off of Green.  This trade would seemingly make sense for both teams. 

[moiso]

I'd take Asik over Green any day of the week.  I wouldn't make the trade though because I really don't want to start trying to improve the team until the end of this season.

[LooseCannon]

I think they could get more for Asik than just Green.  And they have Parsons at SF so I don't think their is much there as far trades go (Green and Wallace are awful at PF).

If you believe Steve Kyler of Hoopsworld:

Too early to speculate on what Houston could get… but there continues to be talk that Omer Asik is the major chip that goes out, either for an elite Small Forward or a big power forward. I don’t think you’ll see anything with Houston until January/February unless the wheels fall off for someone and they get desperate to salvage a season.

It would be interesting to revisit this trade idea if it's January and Jeff Green is playing close to his numbers as a starter last season (20.1 points 5.9 rebounds and 2.9 assists in 35.6 minutes per game).  He's not going to be shooting 51.9% on threes, but maybe 37-38% is doable.

[CelticG1]

Is Asik even a top 20 center? I feel like I could name at least 20 other centers over him without much hesitation

[Lucky17]

I think they could get more for Asik than just Green.  And they have Parsons at SF so I don't think their is much there as far trades go (Green and Wallace are awful at PF).

If you believe Steve Kyler of Hoopsworld:

Too early to speculate on what Houston could get… but there continues to be talk that Omer Asik is the major chip that goes out, either for an elite Small Forward or a big power forward. I don’t think you’ll see anything with Houston until January/February unless the wheels fall off for someone and they get desperate to salvage a season.

It would be interesting to revisit this trade idea if it's January and Jeff Green is playing close to his numbers as a starter last season (20.1 points 5.9 rebounds and 2.9 assists in 35.6 minutes per game).  He's not going to be shooting 51.9% on threes, but maybe 37-38% is doable.

I certainly wouldn't call him elite, but would Kris Humphries work well next to Dwight Howard? Obviously, Ainge would have to add sweetener to Hump to get back Asik.