Simmons Trade Idea. Jeff Green

[SHAQATTACK]

Asik would be a perfect fit and nice addition.  Him an KO. Would be a decent tandom. .....might put us close to a 8 seed or near it anyway.....depending on a lot of factors

Only we would give up any shot at Wiggins.......no guareentee anyway That we are the worst team and wind up with first pick....

So I would trade Green and Bass and Lee  .

[D.o.s.]

Judging from Morey, though, I would expect that rather than a 1-1 swap of Asik for equal salary/lesser talent (i.e. Asik for Green), he'd rather package Asik+YoungGuy+Pick to get a 3rd max/near max level star-superstar. I think he really values stars and is going for his own big three type situation.

Asik+Parsons+Beverley+1st for Rondo + filler?  I'd probably take it if Houston would.

Overall, though, Asik isn't a gamechanger, we're very unlikely to contend by the end of his deal, bigs tend to get seriously overpaid in free agency, and S+Ts are much harder under the new CBA, so I'm not sure where the value is in just getting Asik here by himself.

Depending on the filler, that wouldn't be terrible.

[gpap]

I'd honestly kinda worry that it would make us 'too good'. Asik would make our defense 'spectable and could play next to either Hump, Sully or Olynyk. Don't want that.

Why? Does the name Wiggins have anything to do with that?

[PhoSita]

Houston is an interesting trade partner for Boston (win now vs tank-suck).

I think for Green though Morey is too smart and values statistical value too much. He's not an upgrade at SF, and I think there's a lot of evidence that he's not great at PF. If it were a different GM, i could see them thinking Green would be like a ryan anderson type next to Howard, but I think Morey is smarter and doesn't want a league-average type production for 9+ per year when he already is at max for howard and harden.

I would think Chandler Parsons would slide over to PF full time and Jeff Green would man the three. Parsons seems to be the more able defender + rebounder at the PF position.

Two forwards who can handle the ball, who can drive and finish at the rim, and, shoot from distance. That would be a dynamic offensive pairing. Like what Orlando had with Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis. Very difficult for opponents to matchup against.

Plus, you have James Harden's dribble drive threat at SG. And your PG. Nowhere to hide your big man defensively. Lots of dribble penetration and floor spacing. Imagine that 2009 Orlando team with James Harden on it. That would be have created an amazing offensive team.

I don't think you're giving Hedo enough credit if you're saying that Green could give the Rockets what Hedo gave the Magic.

[fitzhickey]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kk5pw3r

What about this trade?
I dunno about Olynyk, I would happily switch someone else into that as a filler

[VitorSullyandKOFan]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nylsonc

I think this could be a solid trade if they add a 1st rounder.

[Endless Paradise]

I think they'll go bigger or smaller (in terms of contract/impact) with the Asik deal, but less likely straight lateral.

Lateral moves I could see are like Asik for Ryan Andersen.

I could see GS doing well then Bogut getting injured then seeking a defensive big to keep things going and giving up Iguodala.

I could see Denver collapsing and taking Asik+Asset for Gallo+Faried or something.

What if Minnesota disappoints and Minny panics and doesn't want to lose Love for nothing (on that stupidly short extension they gave), so they give Asik+Jones+Picks for Love (Morey's dream, I'm sure).

Maybe the Blazer's don't live up to expectations, Aldridge says he's walking, so they deal him for Asik+assets to get something (Morey's other dream).

Would memphis try to cut costs, deal Randolph for Asik+Filler?

Or he could go smaller, like trying to get Mbah a moute and jason thompson from Sac.

Anyway, I think that's where Morey's sites are set.

And to get Rondo, I need a 1st and terence jones and Montejuenas or whatever, but I'm greedy.

The only way the Nuggets are trading for Asik is if they get rid of McGee.  Otherwise they're paying $10+ million for either Asik or McGee to come off the bench.

[celticslove]

i just wish we could throw in brandon bum with any trades this season. it's just a pain watching him play. we could also get more minutes for our young guys if he is gone.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I think we can get Asik for Bass and a future 1st. No reason to give away Green, who I know a lot of people here sorta despise.

Bass kinda makes sense in their lineup too. While he doesnt have a a long range, he can still extend to about 18 feet, opening up more space for Howard. A solid rebounder and he shown can be a good perimeter defender too.

The future pick is to compensate for the years Bass is still under contract. The Clips' first maybe, which will amount to a bench guy. Asik is worth it. Rebounds and interior defense alone.

[kevbo]

What's interesting about this thread to me is that just this morning I said to a friend that my bold prediction for the NBA season was that Rondo and Jeff Green would end up traded to Houston Rockets this year, for Asik and Lin and an amalgam of pieces. After we talked about it, he conviced me that the Cs wouldn't get enough back from Houston that makes sense in a rebuild mode. But the more I think about it, the more I can envision the Cs working a 3 teamer, with Asik and Lin and assorted filler re-routed to a third team, while the Celtics end up with a few picks (edit: meant to include EXPIRINGS to make salaries match) and a few rookie scale contracts with upside. As far as Houston is concerned though, Rondo and Green would dramatically shore up their starting line-up and give them versatile match up possibilities depending on where they line up Harden and  Green. And despite Green's flaws, he's dangerous with corner threes, and can get to the rim if someone closes out too hard on it, which makes him valuable in today's NBA (especially as a 3rd or 4th option) and to Houston.

As far as the Celtics side (the side I truly care about) it'd need to be a really good haul for Rondo and Green, considering those are the their two best remaining assets. But regardless, I am mentally trying to steel myself in advance for a Rondo trade this season. I just hope it isn't for Raef LaFrentz.

[Galeto]

I don't think Houston would do Green for Asik.  It looks like Asik is going to start next to Howard and while there might be some pluses and minues to it, the pairing has looked good in the preseason.  They've looked dominant defensively and on the glass, plus there's still enough shooting to spread the floor.  Harden can create something out of nothing to bail them out when needed as well.

If Asik is going to be the backup center, he'd still be more valuable to them than Green, who would be a backup there as well.  A great defensive center is more valuable than a solid but not well-rounded backup small foward/small ball power forward.  They would be the rare team to have a great defensive center for all 48 minutes of the game.

Another thing is, Green does not come off well in advanced statistics.  I can't see him being someone Morey likes in a vacuum much less at the expense of a player like Asik.

[D.o.s.]

What's interesting about this thread to me is that just this morning I said to a friend that my bold prediction for the NBA season was that Rondo and Jeff Green would end up traded to Houston Rockets this year, for Asik and Lin and an amalgam of pieces. After we talked about it, he conviced me that the Cs wouldn't get enough back from Houston that makes sense in a rebuild mode. But the more I think about it, the more I can envision the Cs working a 3 teamer, with Asik and Lin and assorted filler re-routed to a third team, while the Celtics end up with a few picks (edit: meant to include EXPIRINGS to make salaries match) and a few rookie scale contracts with upside. As far as Houston is concerned though, Rondo and Green would dramatically shore up their starting line-up and give them versatile match up possibilities depending on where they line up Harden and  Green. And despite Green's flaws, he's dangerous with corner threes, and can get to the rim if someone closes out too hard on it, which makes him valuable in today's NBA (especially as a 3rd or 4th option) and to Houston.

As far as the Celtics side (the side I truly care about) it'd need to be a really good haul for Rondo and Green, considering those are the their two best remaining assets. But regardless, I am mentally trying to steel myself in advance for a Rondo trade this season. I just hope it isn't for Raef LaFrentz.

I don't think Houston particularly needs Rondo with such a ball dominant wing in Harden, though.

Add in the fact that Rondo's outside shot doesn't inspire a whole lot of fear, and I'm not sure they go for it. Doesn't seem to fit with the offensive style that the Rockets have been going for.

Still, Rondo Harden Green Parsons Howard is an extremely solid starting five by any stretch of any imagination.

[Endless Paradise]

I think we can get Asik for Bass and a future 1st. No reason to give away Green, who I know a lot of people here sorta despise.

Bass kinda makes sense in their lineup too. While he doesnt have a a long range, he can still extend to about 18 feet, opening up more space for Howard. A solid rebounder and he shown can be a good perimeter defender too.

The future pick is to compensate for the years Bass is still under contract. The Clips' first maybe, which will amount to a bench guy. Asik is worth it. Rebounds and interior defense alone.

What Asik provides for the Rockets (a source of constant defensive presence in the paint throughout a whole game with the Howard/Asik tandem) is far more valuable than anything Bass can bring.  That's not nearly enough for the Rockets to bite... especially when you consider the analytics movement in Houston that has them eschewing lower-percentage two-pointers -- aka, Bass' bread-and-butter.  Maybe if Bass had three-point range, but he doesn't.

[indeedproceed]

I think we can get Asik for Bass and a future 1st. No reason to give away Green, who I know a lot of people here sorta despise.

Bass kinda makes sense in their lineup too. While he doesnt have a a long range, he can still extend to about 18 feet, opening up more space for Howard. A solid rebounder and he shown can be a good perimeter defender too.

The future pick is to compensate for the years Bass is still under contract. The Clips' first maybe, which will amount to a bench guy. Asik is worth it. Rebounds and interior defense alone.

Strongly disagree. Asik is one of the top 3 defensive centers in the league, after a healthy Howard, and well...maybe Marc Gasol, maybe Larry Sanders or Roy Hibbert if those guys make a big jump this season, maybe Drummond too, or Chandler if he regains earlier form. But Asik was (and this is off the cuff) maybe the biggest 30 minutes per game defensive difference maker in the league last year.

EDIT: And Noah. healthy Howard>Noah>Asik are my picks for centers

[Galeto]

I think we can get Asik for Bass and a future 1st. No reason to give away Green, who I know a lot of people here sorta despise.

Bass kinda makes sense in their lineup too. While he doesnt have a a long range, he can still extend to about 18 feet, opening up more space for Howard. A solid rebounder and he shown can be a good perimeter defender too.

The future pick is to compensate for the years Bass is still under contract. The Clips' first maybe, which will amount to a bench guy. Asik is worth it. Rebounds and interior defense alone.

What Asik provides for the Rockets (a source of constant defensive presence in the paint throughout a whole game with the Howard/Asik tandem) is far more valuable than anything Bass can bring.  That's not nearly enough for the Rockets to bite... especially when you consider the analytics movement in Houston that has them eschewing lower-percentage two-pointers -- aka, Bass' bread-and-butter.  Maybe if Bass had three-point range, but he doesn't.

I don't envision Bass creating space either.  Sure he can shoot well from mid-range (not consistently from 18 feet though) but he'd be the fifth option taking a shot that teams are willing to surrender.  Defenses are not going to afford space for Howard and his teammates just to take away a mid-range jumper for someone like Bass.  In exchange for a top defensive center, the Rockets will have gotten no spacing benefit and much, much worse overall defense, rebounding and yes passing because Asik's a solid passer while Bass is the complete opposite of one.