Rondo Trade w/ Jazz

[CFAN38]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k6qhqjz

Rondo + Lee

for

Burke + Kanter + Biedrins + 1st (ideally 2014)


Not sure if the Jazz would agree to this, but if they would, I think this would be a nice return for Rondo.

Jazz would get a latter-day Stockton to pair with their young Malone in Derrick Favors.  The Celtics get a double double threat with legit center size and a post game in Kanter and a nice point guard prospect in Burke, plus a 1st round pick.  Hard to imagine a better haul for Rondo.

No way the jazz consider that trade.

The jazz have done a very nice job post deron williams with this team. They have stayed around 500 while still amassing some very nice talent. Favors, Kantor, Haywood and Burke are a nice young core. This is their first veteran less season which should lead to lottery year and another high end talent. This team will be in a great place for the next ten years. Adding Rondo just puts them back the the last three years where they where lead by Big AL and Milsap.

[CFAN38]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k6qhqjz

Rondo + Lee

for

Burke + Kanter + Biedrins + 1st (ideally 2014)


Not sure if the Jazz would agree to this, but if they would, I think this would be a nice return for Rondo.

Jazz would get a latter-day Stockton to pair with their young Malone in Derrick Favors.  The Celtics get a double double threat with legit center size and a post game in Kanter and a nice point guard prospect in Burke, plus a 1st round pick.  Hard to imagine a better haul for Rondo.

No way the jazz consider that trade.

The jazz have done a very nice job post deron williams with this team. They have stayed around 500 while still amassing some very nice talent. Favors, Kantor, Haywood and Burke are a nice young core. This is their first veteran less season which should lead to lottery year and another high end talent. This team will be in a great place for the next ten years. Adding Rondo just puts them back the the last three years where they where lead by Big AL and Milsap.

To me the teams looking at Rondo will either be A. Fridge contenders who think he makes them championship level (Indy, Houston) or B. Terrible teams that need to sell tickets and win games to save themselves (Bobcats,Sac)

[PhoSita]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k6qhqjz

Rondo + Lee

for

Burke + Kanter + Biedrins + 1st (ideally 2014)


Not sure if the Jazz would agree to this, but if they would, I think this would be a nice return for Rondo.

Jazz would get a latter-day Stockton to pair with their young Malone in Derrick Favors.  The Celtics get a double double threat with legit center size and a post game in Kanter and a nice point guard prospect in Burke, plus a 1st round pick.  Hard to imagine a better haul for Rondo.

No way the jazz consider that trade.

The jazz have done a very nice job post deron williams with this team. They have stayed around 500 while still amassing some very nice talent. Favors, Kantor, Haywood and Burke are a nice young core. This is their first veteran less season which should lead to lottery year and another high end talent. This team will be in a great place for the next ten years. Adding Rondo just puts them back the the last three years where they where lead by Big AL and Milsap.

I think it turns on whether you think Burke is really that good.  Personally, I think he's just going to be an average point guard.  I think Kanter is a nice player, but I'd say the value of pairing Favors -- the true young talent on the team -- with an elite passer outweighs Kanter's value.

Also, I wouldn't expect that swapping Burk and Kanter for Rondo would drastically alter their record for this season.  If they traded us their 2015 pick instead of their 2014 pick, I feel like the math makes even more sense from their perspective.

[D.o.s.]

The teams I could potentially see both wanting Rondo, having a need for Rondo, and possibly packaging enough to get him are:

Atlanta
Houston
Milwaukee
Sacramento

I'd add Indiana to that list--I think LrBrd brought that to my attention, but Rondo to Indiana for Granger + Hill + possibly a third team involved makes a lot of sense for Indiana, provided RR is healthy and playing as well as he has by the trade deadline. His inclusion makes that team Scary, with a capital S.

[Endless Paradise]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k6qhqjz

Rondo + Lee

for

Burke + Kanter + Biedrins + 1st (ideally 2014)


Not sure if the Jazz would agree to this, but if they would, I think this would be a nice return for Rondo.

Jazz would get a latter-day Stockton to pair with their young Malone in Derrick Favors.  The Celtics get a double double threat with legit center size and a post game in Kanter and a nice point guard prospect in Burke, plus a 1st round pick.  Hard to imagine a better haul for Rondo.

No way the jazz consider that trade.

The jazz have done a very nice job post deron williams with this team. They have stayed around 500 while still amassing some very nice talent. Favors, Kantor, Haywood and Burke are a nice young core. This is their first veteran less season which should lead to lottery year and another high end talent. This team will be in a great place for the next ten years. Adding Rondo just puts them back the the last three years where they where lead by Big AL and Milsap.

I think it turns on whether you think Burke is really that good.  Personally, I think he's just going to be an average point guard.  I think Kanter is a nice player, but I'd say the value of pairing Favors -- the true young talent on the team -- with an elite passer outweighs Kanter's value.

Also, I wouldn't expect that swapping Burk and Kanter for Rondo would drastically alter their record for this season.  If they traded us their 2015 pick instead of their 2014 pick, I feel like the math makes even more sense from their perspective.

That's the thing - no one knows exactly how Burke will turn out.  If he's good?  Then great, they've got their point guard for the future.  If not?  Oh well, they've got enough young talent and picks assembled that they can try swinging a trade for a better point in the future - when that will be more urgent and pressing.  Especially if it means they won't have to give up one of their projected lottery picks.  That's not something you do unless you're trying to make a "win now or in the near future" move, which probably isn't the smartest thing for the Jazz to do.  With Rondo or not, the Jazz likely are still at least several years away from being competitive again.

[jambr380]

The teams I could potentially see both wanting Rondo, having a need for Rondo, and possibly packaging enough to get him are:

Atlanta
Houston
Milwaukee
Sacramento

Rondo Howard would make a nice combo for Houston but I'm not sure they need a ball dominate point guard with Harden needing the ball in his hands so much.

Bucks would be a decent fit with Rondo alongside Sanders and Mayo, who proved he could shoot the three ball at a high percentage last year.

Hawks could use anything really. Rondo Horford would look good. Would probably have to get Teague back...Would that be worth it?

Sactown is in the same boat at Atl and we would have to get Vasquez back.

My problem with trading with any of these teams is that we wouldnt get nearly the fair return we would need for a Rondo trade.

Cousins, Horford, Sanders wouldnt be involved in any trade and thats where I would say no and keep Rondo.

This pretty much says it all. I just don't know why we would want to trade Rondo unless we were getting back a solid big man and decent pg replacement (Cousins / Thomas). Since this is probably not going to happen, I am perfectly happy keeping Rondo as the leader of this team.

[fitzhickey]

why we would want to trade Rondo unless we were getting back a solid big man and decent pg replacement

Asik and Beverley I like

[PhoSita]

The teams I could potentially see both wanting Rondo, having a need for Rondo, and possibly packaging enough to get him are:

Atlanta
Houston
Milwaukee
Sacramento

I'd add Indiana to that list--I think LrBrd brought that to my attention, but Rondo to Indiana for Granger + Hill + possibly a third team involved makes a lot of sense for Indiana, provided RR is healthy and playing as well as he has by the trade deadline. His inclusion makes that team Scary, with a capital S.

The trouble is that trade doesn't hit any of the checkmarks that the Celtics need in order for a Rondo trade to be palatable.

Those checkmarks, by the way, are the following:

1. At least one 3-4 star prospect (e.g. Kanter, Barnes, McLemore, Beal, Noel, etc) or a high pick (top 5-8).
2. Unload one or more of the longer term veteran contracts (Lee, Bass, Green, Wallace).
3. A secondary asset, either a decent young player (e.g. Burke, Isiah Thomas, Steven Adams, etc) or a mid to late 1st.

[crimson_stallion]

In terms of improving our team, this is certainly top 5 among the worst trade ideas I've Everett heard. 

I hate Lee and would do almost anything to get rid of him...but even I wouldn't go this far!

[Yoki_IsTheName]

In terms of improving our team, this is certainly top 5 among the worst trade ideas I've Everett heard. 

I hate Lee and would do almost anything to get rid of him...but even I wouldn't go this far!

Disagree, I think that's a solid deal for us.

With this deal we get...

- a Center who's basement a guy who'll give you 10 points/7 rebounds and has the ceiling to be 16/10/54% shooting.

- A $9 million expiring contract.

- A rookie PG who while unproven, has solid potential, skilled an has unquestionable leadership ability.

- And a 2014 pick!?

How is that not improving our team? I'm a Don't trade Rondo proponent, but if the Jazz offers that, we'd be stupid not to take it. We are indeed not getting an All Star in return, but we get big pieces of the puzzle. And having 3 first round picks in a deep draft gives us more chances for a franchise player.

The OP already hit the nail in the head. The Jazz won't do this deal. But in terms of improving our team, if somehow the Jazz calls and put this on the table, Danny better say yes right away before they change their minds. This is a great haul.

[BASS_THUMPER]

i didnt know we were in rebuild mode
i thought we were developing the talent already have

[BballTim]

How is that not improving our team? I'm a Don't trade Rondo proponent, but if the Jazz offers that, we'd be stupid not to take it. We are indeed not getting an All Star in return, but we get big pieces of the puzzle. And having 3 first round picks in a deep draft gives us more chances for a franchise player.

  If there's a franchise player in the draft he'll go with the first pick. Having more picks in that draft won't increase our odds of getting him any more than having multiple picks in the teens of the 2003 draft increased our chances of picking up LeBron.

[LarBrd33]

The teams I could potentially see both wanting Rondo, having a need for Rondo, and possibly packaging enough to get him are:

Atlanta
Houston
Milwaukee
Sacramento

I'd add Indiana to that list--I think LrBrd brought that to my attention, but Rondo to Indiana for Granger + Hill + possibly a third team involved makes a lot of sense for Indiana, provided RR is healthy and playing as well as he has by the trade deadline. His inclusion makes that team Scary, with a capital S.

The trouble is that trade doesn't hit any of the checkmarks that the Celtics need in order for a Rondo trade to be palatable.

Those checkmarks, by the way, are the following:

1. At least one 3-4 star prospect (e.g. Kanter, Barnes, McLemore, Beal, Noel, etc) or a high pick (top 5-8).
2. Unload one or more of the longer term veteran contracts (Lee, Bass, Green, Wallace).
3. A secondary asset, either a decent young player (e.g. Burke, Isiah Thomas, Steven Adams, etc) or a mid to late 1st.

I pulled Indiana out of a hat as a random guess.  I decided that only a couple teams would genuinely consider trading for Rondo.  I don't see the point in a lotto team going after ROndo for the same reason I don't see the point in the Celtics keeping Rondo.  But also there's some teams that just dont' have any need for a star PG (Miami, OKC, Clips) ...   Indiana makes sense to me.  My guess is that we'd get a heck of a lot less than we'd want. 

Boston sends:
Rondo + Lee + Bass
or...
Rondo + Wallace


Indiana sends:
Granger (expiring contract)
George Hill (maybe we can flip him to a 3rd team)
A couple scrub youngins like Solomon Hill and Lance Stephenson
+ a couple unprotected 1sts from Indiana (which would obviously be late 1sts)

That's my wild guess and I'm sticking with it.  People are pegging the Pacers as a legit title threat thanks to Paul George making the leap and Roy Hibbert being one of the premiere centers in the league.  Adding a 3rd star in Rondo could theoretically put them over the top... especially those who subscribe to the "Rondo is a superstar in the playoffs" myth.

Of course, that trade would leave a lot of us fans brutally disappointed.  No star prospect.  Just some late 1st rounders.  But it's addition by subtraction... we completely bottom out with a top 5 pick, get a couple late 1sts and dump some bad contracts.  If we trade Rondo, that's the crap I'm expecting we'll get in return.  I dont' think anyone is giving up star prospects for him.

Fwiw, I think our best-case scenario is seeing Rondo take his sweet time coming back (playing like 30 games), Boston tanking to a top 5 pick and Rondo coming back 100% next year.  But then there's going to be the hovering cloud of "will Rondo re-sign" hanging over us the entire season if the Celtics are still garbage post-tank. 

[PhoSita]

In terms of improving our team, this is certainly top 5 among the worst trade ideas I've Everett heard. 

I hate Lee and would do almost anything to get rid of him...but even I wouldn't go this far!

Compare this to all the folks in the thread saying I'm crazy to think the Jazz would do this. 

I think this is a great illustration of the range of how people feel on this topic.  Coming up with a Rondo trade idea that the majority of people see as decent for both sides is very challenging.

[PhoSita]

The teams I could potentially see both wanting Rondo, having a need for Rondo, and possibly packaging enough to get him are:

Atlanta
Houston
Milwaukee
Sacramento

I'd add Indiana to that list--I think LrBrd brought that to my attention, but Rondo to Indiana for Granger + Hill + possibly a third team involved makes a lot of sense for Indiana, provided RR is healthy and playing as well as he has by the trade deadline. His inclusion makes that team Scary, with a capital S.

The trouble is that trade doesn't hit any of the checkmarks that the Celtics need in order for a Rondo trade to be palatable.

Those checkmarks, by the way, are the following:

1. At least one 3-4 star prospect (e.g. Kanter, Barnes, McLemore, Beal, Noel, etc) or a high pick (top 5-8).
2. Unload one or more of the longer term veteran contracts (Lee, Bass, Green, Wallace).
3. A secondary asset, either a decent young player (e.g. Burke, Isiah Thomas, Steven Adams, etc) or a mid to late 1st.

I pulled Indiana out of a hat as a random guess.  I decided that only a couple teams would genuinely consider trading for Rondo.  I don't see the point in a lotto team going after ROndo for the same reason I don't see the point in the Celtics keeping Rondo.  But also there's some teams that just dont' have any need for a star PG (Miami, OKC, Clips) ...   Indiana makes sense to me.  My guess is that we'd get a heck of a lot less than we'd want. 

Boston sends:
Rondo + Lee + Bass
or...
Rondo + Wallace


Indiana sends:
Granger (expiring contract)
George Hill (maybe we can flip him to a 3rd team)
A couple scrub youngins like Solomon Hill and Lance Stephenson
+ a couple unprotected 1sts from Indiana (which would obviously be late 1sts)

That's my wild guess and I'm sticking with it.  People are pegging the Pacers as a legit title threat thanks to Paul George making the leap and Roy Hibbert being one of the premiere centers in the league.  Adding a 3rd star in Rondo could theoretically put them over the top... especially those who subscribe to the "Rondo is a superstar in the playoffs" myth.

Of course, that trade would leave a lot of us fans brutally disappointed.  No star prospect.  Just some late 1st rounders.  But it's addition by subtraction... we completely bottom out with a top 5 pick, get a couple late 1sts and dump some bad contracts.  If we trade Rondo, that's the crap I'm expecting we'll get in return.  I dont' think anyone is giving up star prospects for him.

If that's the case, then Rondo is not going to get traded.  I don't see Danny Ainge trading Rondo simply for the sake of bottoming out.

Unless some team offers us at least 2 out of the 3 things I listed, I doubt Danny even considers any offers.

I'm generally on board with you as far as what the team's priorities ought to be LarBrd33, but I don't believe in dumping significant assets just for the sake getting worse.  I think the team will be plenty bad regardless.

A Rondo trade HAS to put the team in a better position than they are now in terms of future assets and salary.