We Only have three "Real" NBA Players on this team.

[BballTim]

  Gotta love a thread claiming that players in their 20s who have started many games (even on playoff teams) aren't "real" nba players.

I rankled at that a bit, too, but in context it's clear the OP meant "NBA starters."

  What he really meant was "average or better nba starters",  unless you can think of a reason someone who's started regularly in 4 of his 5 seasons doesn't qualify as an "NBA starter".

Claiming that Jeff Green isn't an average NBA starter, and Sullinger is constitutes either not knowing the NBA landscape, or intentional trolling.

Well it's just that Jeffy is allergic to rebounds and effort, whereas Sully wants every rebound he ever saw....

  I don't think Green's really allergic to effort. You rarely if ever see that in good defenders.

[timpiker]

It's gonna be ugly.... Worse than before because there's no big al.

[Eja117]

  Gotta love a thread claiming that players in their 20s who have started many games (even on playoff teams) aren't "real" nba players.

I rankled at that a bit, too, but in context it's clear the OP meant "NBA starters."

  What he really meant was "average or better nba starters",  unless you can think of a reason someone who's started regularly in 4 of his 5 seasons doesn't qualify as an "NBA starter".

Claiming that Jeff Green isn't an average NBA starter, and Sullinger is constitutes either not knowing the NBA landscape, or intentional trolling.

Well it's just that Jeffy is allergic to rebounds and effort, whereas Sully wants every rebound he ever saw....

  I don't think Green's really allergic to effort. You rarely if ever see that in good defenders.

Avery Bradley is a good defender. Avery Bradley plays with effort. Green is here to get a check

[fairweatherfan]

How many True Scotsmen do we have?

[mmmmm]

ThE anti Jeff Green sentiment on these boards is hilarious

I'm not anti-Green. Just anti-his play and anti-his contract.  You gotta get more than a token rebound a game to get respect in this league.

NEW RULES!!!

[moiso]

Given his inconsistency and lack of efficiency, I'm not convinced Green is really "average" in the sense of overall value and production.  He lacks an elite skill and he doesn't score consistently enough or efficiently enough to truly overcome that fact.  I'd rather have Thabo Sefolosha starting for my team, for example, despite the fact that he's never averaged close to 16 points a game.

You don't have to have one elite skill to be considered at least an average NBA player. Guys like Scottie Pippen and Tayshaun Prince did just fine by being jacks of all trades, masters of none. There's no blueprint.

In any case, I also consider Thabo Sefolosha at least an average NBA starter, despite the fact that he isn't
a prolific scorer. I just don't think you realize how many truly horrible players in the NBA are getting starter or close to starter minutes. I mean guys such as Singler, Gee, Zeller, Ariza, Aminu, you name it.

Pippen was a master defender, ballhandler, and passer for his position.  And a good rebounder.

[BballTim]

  Gotta love a thread claiming that players in their 20s who have started many games (even on playoff teams) aren't "real" nba players.

I rankled at that a bit, too, but in context it's clear the OP meant "NBA starters."

  What he really meant was "average or better nba starters",  unless you can think of a reason someone who's started regularly in 4 of his 5 seasons doesn't qualify as an "NBA starter".

Claiming that Jeff Green isn't an average NBA starter, and Sullinger is constitutes either not knowing the NBA landscape, or intentional trolling.

Well it's just that Jeffy is allergic to rebounds and effort, whereas Sully wants every rebound he ever saw....

  I don't think Green's really allergic to effort. You rarely if ever see that in good defenders.

Avery Bradley is a good defender. Avery Bradley plays with effort. Green is here to get a check

  We've had a lot of lazy players go through Boston, Green isn't really among them.

[Fan from VT]

  Gotta love a thread claiming that players in their 20s who have started many games (even on playoff teams) aren't "real" nba players.

I rankled at that a bit, too, but in context it's clear the OP meant "NBA starters."

  What he really meant was "average or better nba starters",  unless you can think of a reason someone who's started regularly in 4 of his 5 seasons doesn't qualify as an "NBA starter".

Claiming that Jeff Green isn't an average NBA starter, and Sullinger is constitutes either not knowing the NBA landscape, or intentional trolling.

Well it's just that Jeffy is allergic to rebounds and effort, whereas Sully wants every rebound he ever saw....

  I don't think Green's really allergic to effort. You rarely if ever see that in good defenders.

Avery Bradley is a good defender. Avery Bradley plays with effort. Green is here to get a check

  We've had a lot of lazy players go through Boston, Green isn't really among them.

I'd agree. In Green's (and similar players') case, we ascribe the term "lazy" because it's easier than acknowledging he's just "not that great" and that "we were really wrong judging his talent."

I think he tries. I think he doesn't have the skill to back it up; the scouts and fans were just wrong about how talented he is. But it's easier to blame him for not working hard than to say "I misjudged his talent."

[mmmmm]

  Gotta love a thread claiming that players in their 20s who have started many games (even on playoff teams) aren't "real" nba players.

I rankled at that a bit, too, but in context it's clear the OP meant "NBA starters."

  What he really meant was "average or better nba starters",  unless you can think of a reason someone who's started regularly in 4 of his 5 seasons doesn't qualify as an "NBA starter".

Claiming that Jeff Green isn't an average NBA starter, and Sullinger is constitutes either not knowing the NBA landscape, or intentional trolling.

Well it's just that Jeffy is allergic to rebounds and effort, whereas Sully wants every rebound he ever saw....

  I don't think Green's really allergic to effort. You rarely if ever see that in good defenders.

Avery Bradley is a good defender. Avery Bradley plays with effort. Green is here to get a check

  We've had a lot of lazy players go through Boston, Green isn't really among them.

I'd agree. In Green's (and similar players') case, we ascribe the term "lazy" because it's easier than acknowledging he's just "not that great" and that "we were really wrong judging his talent."

I think he tries. I think he doesn't have the skill to back it up; the scouts and fans were just wrong about how talented he is. But it's easier to blame him for not working hard than to say "I misjudged his talent."

Or ... we could wait to 'judge his talent' on real NBA games and not a handful of meaningless preseason games.

[Eja117]

  Gotta love a thread claiming that players in their 20s who have started many games (even on playoff teams) aren't "real" nba players.

I rankled at that a bit, too, but in context it's clear the OP meant "NBA starters."

  What he really meant was "average or better nba starters",  unless you can think of a reason someone who's started regularly in 4 of his 5 seasons doesn't qualify as an "NBA starter".

Claiming that Jeff Green isn't an average NBA starter, and Sullinger is constitutes either not knowing the NBA landscape, or intentional trolling.

Well it's just that Jeffy is allergic to rebounds and effort, whereas Sully wants every rebound he ever saw....

  I don't think Green's really allergic to effort. You rarely if ever see that in good defenders.

Avery Bradley is a good defender. Avery Bradley plays with effort. Green is here to get a check

  We've had a lot of lazy players go through Boston, Green isn't really among them.

I'd agree. In Green's (and similar players') case, we ascribe the term "lazy" because it's easier than acknowledging he's just "not that great" and that "we were really wrong judging his talent."

I think he tries. I think he doesn't have the skill to back it up; the scouts and fans were just wrong about how talented he is. But it's easier to blame him for not working hard than to say "I misjudged his talent."

Consistently being outrebounded by virtually every player on both teams....well....it could be lack of talent...or laziness

[Roy H.]

teams....well....it could be lack of talent...or laziness

He's definitely got a lack of rebounding instincts.  I think he's got poor reaction time, too, which goes hand-in-hand with his overall passivity.

[SHAQATTACK]

Green does seem reluctant to  stand in , use his jumping ability to snare rebounds.

He just doesn't have Kobe's killer instinct to win...win...win.......nothing else is acceptable attitude

He doesn't know how to take over game ,  I guess his  brain  doesn't work like. James and Kobe

Oh we'll........    What ya gonna do?

[Eja117]

Green does seem reluctant to  stand in , use his jumping ability to snare rebounds.

He just doesn't have Kobe's killer instinct to win...win...win.......nothing else is acceptable attitude

He doesn't know how to take over game ,  I guess his  brain  doesn't work like. James and Kobe

Oh we'll........    What ya gonna do?

What ya gonna do? Send him home every time he gets outrebounded by smaller players that play less minutes.

[BballTim]

  Gotta love a thread claiming that players in their 20s who have started many games (even on playoff teams) aren't "real" nba players.

I rankled at that a bit, too, but in context it's clear the OP meant "NBA starters."

  What he really meant was "average or better nba starters",  unless you can think of a reason someone who's started regularly in 4 of his 5 seasons doesn't qualify as an "NBA starter".

Claiming that Jeff Green isn't an average NBA starter, and Sullinger is constitutes either not knowing the NBA landscape, or intentional trolling.

Well it's just that Jeffy is allergic to rebounds and effort, whereas Sully wants every rebound he ever saw....

  I don't think Green's really allergic to effort. You rarely if ever see that in good defenders.

Avery Bradley is a good defender. Avery Bradley plays with effort. Green is here to get a check

  We've had a lot of lazy players go through Boston, Green isn't really among them.

I'd agree. In Green's (and similar players') case, we ascribe the term "lazy" because it's easier than acknowledging he's just "not that great" and that "we were really wrong judging his talent."

  Possibly, although most expectations of Green's talent weren't centered around his rebounding. His overall rebounding rate last year was fairly close to that of players like Batum, Prince, Webster, Budinger, Artest and Parsons. Not necessarily what you'd hope for, not average for his position, but it's not the biggest crisis you'll come across either.

[Eja117]

  Gotta love a thread claiming that players in their 20s who have started many games (even on playoff teams) aren't "real" nba players.

I rankled at that a bit, too, but in context it's clear the OP meant "NBA starters."

  What he really meant was "average or better nba starters",  unless you can think of a reason someone who's started regularly in 4 of his 5 seasons doesn't qualify as an "NBA starter".

Claiming that Jeff Green isn't an average NBA starter, and Sullinger is constitutes either not knowing the NBA landscape, or intentional trolling.

Well it's just that Jeffy is allergic to rebounds and effort, whereas Sully wants every rebound he ever saw....

  I don't think Green's really allergic to effort. You rarely if ever see that in good defenders.

Avery Bradley is a good defender. Avery Bradley plays with effort. Green is here to get a check

  We've had a lot of lazy players go through Boston, Green isn't really among them.

I'd agree. In Green's (and similar players') case, we ascribe the term "lazy" because it's easier than acknowledging he's just "not that great" and that "we were really wrong judging his talent."

  Possibly, although most expectations of Green's talent weren't centered around his rebounding. His overall rebounding rate last year was fairly close to that of players like Batum, Prince, Webster, Budinger, Artest and Parsons. Not necessarily what you'd hope for, not average for his position, but it's not the biggest crisis you'll come across either.

Well wait a second.....Budinger was hurt a lot so let's not do him.  Tayshaun averaged more rebs (4.2 vs 3.9) despite being 33 years old and a lot skinnier and being traded half way through the year.

Lets look at Batum.....an inch shorter and 15 pounds lighter.....5.6 rebs vs 3.9, but that's not all folks. We have 4.9 assists vs 1.6.  1.2 steals vs .7 

Parsons was 5.3 rebs and 3.5 assists

Martell was the same amount of rebs despite being 2 inches shorter and 5 lbs lighter but shot the ball far better

These guys played more minutes so I give them that.  It could be for a reason.  Green has never averaged more than 6.7 in a year (his second year).