Agreed. Although I think Bradley should be included, even though he probably isn't a starter on a championship team he can flat out change the game without having the ball.

Also is anyone still wishing we traded Green for Josh Smith or something? This guy is not consistent enough for a rebuilding team, especially for a 27yo. Loving Wallace too.

We have already clearly seen from last season that Green excels when he is playing major minutes in a starting role. 

His 'let the game time to me' style of offense just doesn't suit the role of a limited-minutes-off-the-bench type player.

Last season Green's scoring numbers were exceptional in games during which he started and played 30+ minutes.  Games in which he playd <30 minutes off the bench his production was unspectacular.

Green is also one of the few players on this team who doesn't really NEED to prove himself in preseason.  Most of the guys on this team are either very young and/or inexperienced (Sully, Olynyk, Bradley,  Brooks, Faverani, etc) or are good veterans coming off very poor seasons (Wallace, Hump, etc). 

With Rondo out Green is basically the only guy who has already proven himself last season.  Preseason is usually a time for coaches to analyse the new additions and young talent of a team, so I don't think we will see much of Green until the regular season starts and he is starting with significant minutes.  I would not personally judge him based on his preseason showing. 

As for 'real' NBA players, Jordan Crawford and Marshon Brooks have booth been pleasant surprises in the preseason so far.  Crawford has handled the Combo-guard role very well and shot super efficient so far, while Brooks is actually leading the team in Pts+Reb+Ass Per 36 minutes so far in the preseason.

Olynyk and Sullinger have both been pretty solid, while Wallace has been fantastic.  Bradley has been pretty solid and is hitting his three point shots again. 

I think this team is going to be a pretty bad one record wise, but I think a lot of players on this team are going to surprise us regardless.

And Jeff Green Is not one of them. Take one moment to guess who they are. Real proven NBA starters that you can count on each and every night.  In my opinion it's Wallace, Rondo, And Sullinger. Sully makes it for me based on him being such a stud at Ohio State, he's a double double machine if he can stay healthy.   Kelly O could be one, we shall see, And I pray Jeff will be who he can be but he doesn't have "It".

Someone thinks that Sullinger, who looks god-awful and has never played a full NBA season is a "proven NBA starter", and Green, who started 200+ games over 3.5 seasons in OKC and played 35 minutes a night isn't. I understand tinted glasses, but that's taking it to a new level. And it's hilarious.

Also, Ohio State is not the NBA. Does Adam Morrison make it too? He started pretty much every game for Gonzaga and was a such a stud.

Rondo and Wallace are the only starter-caliber players on the team right now.

Neither of them is in the long term plans for the team, either, in my opinion.

We have several guys capable of being rotation players on an NBA team.  Even discounting Rondo because he's injured, we've got Wallace, Humphries, Bradley, Lee, Bass, Green, and Bogans.  All of those guys have started on pretty good teams, and Sully has shown that he's got NBA talent.

The problems we have are that 1) our roster doesn't fit together at all, and 2) we lack high-end talent.  Rondo is the only starter who is star quality, and of course he'll be missing a chunk of the season.

Rondo and Wallace are the only starter-caliber players on the team right now.

Neither of them is in the long term plans for the team, either, in my opinion.

Yup....wouldn't surprise me to see them in Lakers uniforms , along with Brooks

Quote from: BballTim on October 22, 2013, 08:35:23 AM

  Gotta love a thread claiming that players in their 20s who have started many games (even on playoff teams) aren't "real" nba players.

I rankled at that a bit, too, but in context it's clear the OP meant "NBA starters."

Yeah......me too......I think that was the OP  thrust of the post......I get where he is coming from.