wow.... the c's are going to be worse than I expected

[indeedproceed]

This is a 25 win team at best. Crawford runniing the point is awful. No rim protector . This Is going to be a brutal season.

we tried telling people 

Keep trying.  There's a lot of basketball still to be played.  It's a little early to be celebrating your prescience.

At this point C18, I'm starting to just appreciate your optimism. I wouldn't call it refreshing, but it's like looking at a salmon hurt throw themselves against a waterfall over and over again, cuz darn it, they're GONNA get upstream or die trying.

Hats off to you sir. Keep fighting the good fight. I'm already counting ping ping balls, but I respect the counter.

[Celtics18]

This is a 25 win team at best. Crawford runniing the point is awful. No rim protector . This Is going to be a brutal season.

we tried telling people 

Keep trying.  There's a lot of basketball still to be played.  It's a little early to be celebrating your prescience.

At this point C18, I'm starting to just appreciate your optimism. I wouldn't call it refreshing, but it's like looking at a salmon hurt throw themselves against a waterfall over and over again, cuz darn it, they're GONNA get upstream or die trying.

Hats off to you sir. Keep fighting the good fight. I'm already counting ping ping balls, but I respect the counter.

Thanks.  I just hope some of you remember this in April when you are all saying, "Wow!!  Nobody could have predicted that this was a playoff team back in November."

[D.o.s.]

This is a 25 win team at best. Crawford runniing the point is awful. No rim protector . This Is going to be a brutal season.

we tried telling people 

Keep trying.  There's a lot of basketball still to be played.  It's a little early to be celebrating your prescience.

At this point C18, I'm starting to just appreciate your optimism. I wouldn't call it refreshing, but it's like looking at a salmon hurt throw themselves against a waterfall over and over again, cuz darn it, they're GONNA get upstream or die trying.

Hats off to you sir. Keep fighting the good fight. I'm already counting ping ping balls, but I respect the counter.

Thanks.  I just hope some of you remember this in April when you are all saying, "Wow!!  Nobody could have predicted that this was a playoff team back in November."

Personally, I'd rather be surprised than underwhelmed.

[Celtics18]

This is a 25 win team at best. Crawford runniing the point is awful. No rim protector . This Is going to be a brutal season.

we tried telling people 

Keep trying.  There's a lot of basketball still to be played.  It's a little early to be celebrating your prescience.

At this point C18, I'm starting to just appreciate your optimism. I wouldn't call it refreshing, but it's like looking at a salmon hurt throw themselves against a waterfall over and over again, cuz darn it, they're GONNA get upstream or die trying.

Hats off to you sir. Keep fighting the good fight. I'm already counting ping ping balls, but I respect the counter.

Thanks.  I just hope some of you remember this in April when you are all saying, "Wow!!  Nobody could have predicted that this was a playoff team back in November."

Personally, I'd rather be surprised than underwhelmed.

Perfectly understandable. 

[LooseCannon]

The post-Carmelo Denver Nuggets have already given us the blueprint of how a team without superstars can be solid and fun to watch if it is honest, hard-nosed, and plays the game the right way.

The Nuggets, with and without Carmelo Anthony, have given us the blueprint for the dreaded "treadmill of mediocrity" that everyone is worried about.

[2short]

As long as the team works hard I can handle the losses.  Good play and hard play is what I ask.  Even last years team were at times unwatchable.  You could tell the team was trying to stay healthy for the playoffs and were definately taking nights off.  This could have been a team decision (players, coach, mgt) but either way there were far too many nights that a game or half was called in

[rickyfan3.0...]

The Win O/U for this team is 27 1/2. I plan on dropping a nice sized wager on the Under. Root for the Nets this year, then this point next year, we will be a playoff contender again.

[thirstyboots18]

As long as the team works hard I can handle the losses.  Good play and hard play is what I ask.  Even last years team were at times unwatchable.  You could tell the team was trying to stay healthy for the playoffs and were definately taking nights off.  This could have been a team decision (players, coach, mgt) but either way there were far too many nights that a game or half was called in

I can't...they not only have to work hard, they have to show pride and signs of improvement.  I think they will and am predicting 42 wins because I would rather set the bar high and fail to reach that goal than predict pure failure and succeed in reaching that goal.

[kozlodoev]

The post-Carmelo Denver Nuggets have already given us the blueprint of how a team without superstars can be solid and fun to watch if it is honest, hard-nosed, and plays the game the right way.

The Nuggets, with and without Carmelo Anthony, have given us the blueprint for the dreaded "treadmill of mediocrity" that everyone is worried about.

A .642 winning percentage over the last 2 seasons is surely a definition of mediocrity. That must be it.

[bfrombleacher]

Is it just me?

The last game was truly disappointing and tough to watch. But all the other preseason games have been fun to watch.

[Moranis]

This is a 25 win team at best. Crawford runniing the point is awful. No rim protector . This Is going to be a brutal season.

we tried telling people 

Keep trying.  There's a lot of basketball still to be played.  It's a little early to be celebrating your prescience.

At this point C18, I'm starting to just appreciate your optimism. I wouldn't call it refreshing, but it's like looking at a salmon hurt throw themselves against a waterfall over and over again, cuz darn it, they're GONNA get upstream or die trying.

Hats off to you sir. Keep fighting the good fight. I'm already counting ping ping balls, but I respect the counter.

Thanks.  I just hope some of you remember this in April when you are all saying, "Wow!!  Nobody could have predicted that this was a playoff team back in November."

Honestly I don't see the point in making the playoffs this year.  The team isn't going to win a title or even get close, so what is the point.  I would be disappointed if the Celtics limped into the playoffs as the 8th seed.

[Moranis]

The post-Carmelo Denver Nuggets have already given us the blueprint of how a team without superstars can be solid and fun to watch if it is honest, hard-nosed, and plays the game the right way.

The Nuggets, with and without Carmelo Anthony, have given us the blueprint for the dreaded "treadmill of mediocrity" that everyone is worried about.

A .642 winning percentage over the last 2 seasons is surely a definition of mediocrity. That must be it.

Sure they won a lot of regular season games, but for all those wins they were bounced in the first round of the playoffs both years because they don't have a true #1 and probably don't even have a true #2, something you desperately need to win playoff series.  Now granted Gallinari was injured late in the year so it is a bit misleading, but I'm not sure they beat GS even with him.  They just don't have a guy they can rely to win a big game.  That is a recipe for mediocrity.  Much like the Hawks were for the last five years.  Enough talent to win a bunch of regular season games and maybe a playoff series, but lacking the 1 "gold medal superstar" needed to be a true contender.

[LooseCannon]

The post-Carmelo Denver Nuggets have already given us the blueprint of how a team without superstars can be solid and fun to watch if it is honest, hard-nosed, and plays the game the right way.

The Nuggets, with and without Carmelo Anthony, have given us the blueprint for the dreaded "treadmill of mediocrity" that everyone is worried about.

A .642 winning percentage over the last 2 seasons is surely a definition of mediocrity. That must be it.

Losing in the first round of the playoffs in nine out of the last ten seasons is pretty much the definition of being stuck in the scenario that everyone fears of not being good enough to be a contender but not being bad enough to get a decent shot at drafting a potential franchise player.

[PhoSita]

The post-Carmelo Denver Nuggets have already given us the blueprint of how a team without superstars can be solid and fun to watch if it is honest, hard-nosed, and plays the game the right way.

The Nuggets, with and without Carmelo Anthony, have given us the blueprint for the dreaded "treadmill of mediocrity" that everyone is worried about.

A .642 winning percentage over the last 2 seasons is surely a definition of mediocrity. That must be it.

Losing in the first round of the playoffs in nine out of the last ten seasons is pretty much the definition of being stuck in the scenario that everyone fears of not being good enough to be a contender but not being bad enough to get a decent shot at drafting a potential franchise player.

Agreed.

The Nuggets did have one nice season in 2009 with a trip to the Western Conference Finals, but otherwise they have been stuck on that treadmill, and even though they won over 55 games last season, they fired George Karl I think because they recognized that they were not clearly building towards anything with him at the helm.

[BballTim]

The post-Carmelo Denver Nuggets have already given us the blueprint of how a team without superstars can be solid and fun to watch if it is honest, hard-nosed, and plays the game the right way.

The Nuggets, with and without Carmelo Anthony, have given us the blueprint for the dreaded "treadmill of mediocrity" that everyone is worried about.

A .642 winning percentage over the last 2 seasons is surely a definition of mediocrity. That must be it.

Losing in the first round of the playoffs in nine out of the last ten seasons is pretty much the definition of being stuck in the scenario that everyone fears of not being good enough to be a contender but not being bad enough to get a decent shot at drafting a potential franchise player.

Agreed.

The Nuggets did have one nice season in 2009 with a trip to the Western Conference Finals, but otherwise they have been stuck on that treadmill, and even though they won over 55 games last season, they fired George Karl I think because they recognized that they were not clearly building towards anything with him at the helm.

  They've turned over their entire roster in that time, including unloading their "superstar". That's not really being on a treadmill. And as for going into the much-preferred bottom third of the league (where there are superstars in the draft to be had), how many bottom-feeders of those 9 years are contenders? OKC? Chicago (on a, what, 12 or so years on the outs treadmill? Spend multiple years at the bottom and people won't be looking down their noses at 55+ win teams.