wow.... the c's are going to be worse than I expected

[Timdawgg]

 

what we are about to go thru is not new to me
after Bird era i hung on to every hopeful from..



Dino

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Dominique


not sure how long its gonna take to get another banner
but i got my hoopty in cruise control
and enjoying the ride

You forgot our Shinny new stud draft pick....

[PhoSita]

I expected to be one of the worst teams, but we may be absolutely horrible and difficult to watch.  Wallace is the only one playing like a professional starter.

I guess it proves that Pierce and KG truly did make everyone else better because guys like Bradley, Lee, and Green all look like they have regressed.  Remember all those easy Bradley backcut layups?  I'm not seeing much of that now.  Now he's missing contested layup after contested layup or getting his shot blocked.  Green looks good only when there is space created by someone else drawing attention.

Lee looks pretty bad and Sullinger doesn't seem to have as much space to operate so he is drifting further from the hoop.

It isn't so much that KG and PP made everyone else better it is just with KG and PP being option 1 and option 2, they took pressure off and the other guys were in roles better suited for their skill set.  Now instead of option 3, Green is option 1 and that is something he should never be.  Bradley goes from 4 or 5 to 2 or 3, etc.  You can't just take role players and expect them to be 1st or 2nd options on a team.  It never works.

Indeed.  You can't take a bunch of 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th men and turn them into an effective starting lineup.

I'll co-sign this as well. We have what amounts to a great bench rotation... but without quality starters beyond Rondo and Green.

Honestly, at this point I'm not sold on Green as a quality starter.  I think if you have Jeff Green coming off the bench for you, that's pretty nice.  But he's a jack of all trades.  He's not good enough to be a primary scoring option, but he doesn't have any one particular elite skill that would make him a useful role player to have in your starting lineup next to more talented guys.  So he really seems like he'd be best as a 6th or 7th man with low expectations.

So really it's just Rondo and maybe Wallace who I see as starter quality on this team.  And Rondo is probably going to miss a third of the season.

[incoherent]

I didn't read through this whole thread and im sure people mentioned this..

But what happens to San Antonio if you remove Parker, Duncan and Ginobili.

What happens to Chicago if you remove Rose, Deng and Noah.

What happens to Houston if you remove Harden, Asik and Lin?

The Celtics lost their 3 best players.

Why would you ever assume they were going to be good this year?

[CoachBo]

Not much.

This team looks really, really bad at the moment.

[D.o.s.]

I expected to be one of the worst teams, but we may be absolutely horrible and difficult to watch.  Wallace is the only one playing like a professional starter.

I guess it proves that Pierce and KG truly did make everyone else better because guys like Bradley, Lee, and Green all look like they have regressed.  Remember all those easy Bradley backcut layups?  I'm not seeing much of that now.  Now he's missing contested layup after contested layup or getting his shot blocked.  Green looks good only when there is space created by someone else drawing attention.

Lee looks pretty bad and Sullinger doesn't seem to have as much space to operate so he is drifting further from the hoop.

It isn't so much that KG and PP made everyone else better it is just with KG and PP being option 1 and option 2, they took pressure off and the other guys were in roles better suited for their skill set.  Now instead of option 3, Green is option 1 and that is something he should never be.  Bradley goes from 4 or 5 to 2 or 3, etc.  You can't just take role players and expect them to be 1st or 2nd options on a team.  It never works.

Indeed.  You can't take a bunch of 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th men and turn them into an effective starting lineup.

I'll co-sign this as well. We have what amounts to a great bench rotation... but without quality starters beyond Rondo and Green.

Honestly, at this point I'm not sold on Green as a quality starter.  I think if you have Jeff Green coming off the bench for you, that's pretty nice.  But he's a jack of all trades.  He's not good enough to be a primary scoring option, but he doesn't have any one particular elite skill that would make him a useful role player to have in your starting lineup next to more talented guys.  So he really seems like he'd be best as a 6th or 7th man with low expectations.

So really it's just Rondo and maybe Wallace who I see as starter quality on this team.  And Rondo is probably going to miss a third of the season.

I agree, I just think that if Jeff Green is your starting SF you're not necessarily trying to replace him as soon as possible.

[MVPPierceNoJoke]

The games are really, really tough to watch.  The team seems to have no chemistry or energy.

Hopefully there's a spark when the regular season starts, and another one when Rondo comes back.  I don't expect this team to be good, but I do hope they can play hard.

That's exactly how the 06-07 Celtics played. Horrible team, but fought hard every night. We can only hope that Stevens can motivate this crew like Doc did for that team.

[scaryjerry]

I guess it proves that Pierce and KG truly did make everyone else better because guys like Bradley, Lee, and Green all look like they have regressed.  Remember all those easy Bradley backcut layups?  I'm not seeing much of that now.  Now he's missing contested layup after contested layup or getting his shot blocked.  Green looks good only when there is space created by someone else drawing attention.

Lee looks pretty bad and Sullinger doesn't seem to have as much space to operate so he is drifting further from the hoop.

Eh..Bradley looked good with rondo and average without him. Lee was bad last year in my opinion a big big let down...and green sucked until half the season was over...I'm not sure how much better kg and pierce made those guys , kg and pierce were just better players getting the minutes.. it was Brandon bass they made appear better then he is

[Snakehead]

I expected to be one of the worst teams, but we may be absolutely horrible and difficult to watch.  Wallace is the only one playing like a professional starter.

I guess it proves that Pierce and KG truly did make everyone else better because guys like Bradley, Lee, and Green all look like they have regressed.  Remember all those easy Bradley backcut layups?  I'm not seeing much of that now.  Now he's missing contested layup after contested layup or getting his shot blocked.  Green looks good only when there is space created by someone else drawing attention.

Lee looks pretty bad and Sullinger doesn't seem to have as much space to operate so he is drifting further from the hoop.

It isn't so much that KG and PP made everyone else better it is just with KG and PP being option 1 and option 2, they took pressure off and the other guys were in roles better suited for their skill set.  Now instead of option 3, Green is option 1 and that is something he should never be.  Bradley goes from 4 or 5 to 2 or 3, etc.  You can't just take role players and expect them to be 1st or 2nd options on a team.  It never works.

Indeed.  You can't take a bunch of 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th men and turn them into an effective starting lineup.

I'll co-sign this as well. We have what amounts to a great bench rotation... but without quality starters beyond Rondo and Green.

Honestly, at this point I'm not sold on Green as a quality starter.  I think if you have Jeff Green coming off the bench for you, that's pretty nice.  But he's a jack of all trades.  He's not good enough to be a primary scoring option, but he doesn't have any one particular elite skill that would make him a useful role player to have in your starting lineup next to more talented guys.  So he really seems like he'd be best as a 6th or 7th man with low expectations.

So really it's just Rondo and maybe Wallace who I see as starter quality on this team.  And Rondo is probably going to miss a third of the season.

I agree, I just think that if Jeff Green is your starting SF you're not necessarily trying to replace him as soon as possible.

I agree.  He is a good player but he just isn't a reliable all star level player.  Sometimes he will look like it.  The type of team he would be amazing on is Miami, where there are reliable options and he can pick his spots.  And he is also a good shooter too.  He is long, athletic, and a good defender.  This makes him a useful player.  He just isn't reliable offensively to score near 20 points.

Putting him on a pretty complete team he would be very effective.  Teams like Miami, Chicago, Memphis, Golden State, San Antonio etc.

[moiso]

I expected to be one of the worst teams, but we may be absolutely horrible and difficult to watch.  Wallace is the only one playing like a professional starter.

I guess it proves that Pierce and KG truly did make everyone else better because guys like Bradley, Lee, and Green all look like they have regressed.  Remember all those easy Bradley backcut layups?  I'm not seeing much of that now.  Now he's missing contested layup after contested layup or getting his shot blocked.  Green looks good only when there is space created by someone else drawing attention.

Lee looks pretty bad and Sullinger doesn't seem to have as much space to operate so he is drifting further from the hoop.

It isn't so much that KG and PP made everyone else better it is just with KG and PP being option 1 and option 2, they took pressure off and the other guys were in roles better suited for their skill set.  Now instead of option 3, Green is option 1 and that is something he should never be.  Bradley goes from 4 or 5 to 2 or 3, etc.  You can't just take role players and expect them to be 1st or 2nd options on a team.  It never works.

Indeed.  You can't take a bunch of 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th men and turn them into an effective starting lineup.

I'll co-sign this as well. We have what amounts to a great bench rotation... but without quality starters beyond Rondo and Green.

Honestly, at this point I'm not sold on Green as a quality starter.  I think if you have Jeff Green coming off the bench for you, that's pretty nice.  But he's a jack of all trades.  He's not good enough to be a primary scoring option, but he doesn't have any one particular elite skill that would make him a useful role player to have in your starting lineup next to more talented guys.  So he really seems like he'd be best as a 6th or 7th man with low expectations.

So really it's just Rondo and maybe Wallace who I see as starter quality on this team.  And Rondo is probably going to miss a third of the season.

I agree, I just think that if Jeff Green is your starting SF you're not necessarily trying to replace him as soon as possible.

I agree.  He is a good player but he just isn't a reliable all star level player.  Sometimes he will look like it.  The type of team he would be amazing on is Miami, where there are reliable options and he can pick his spots.  And he is also a good shooter too.  He is long, athletic, and a good defender.  This makes him a useful player.  He just isn't reliable offensively to score near 20 points.

Putting him on a pretty complete team he would be very effective.  Teams like Miami, Chicago, Memphis, Golden State, San Antonio etc.

In other words, he would be better on a team in which he would be left wide open.

[fugazzi24]

I had this conversation with my father over the weekend.  He felt the Celtics would win 25-30 games.  We then listed the teams we thought they could beat.  Went through the Celtics schedule and picked a win vs loss for each game.  Are final total was 18 wins.  Which surprisingly placed us only in third for the draft behind the Sixers and Bobcats. 

[the_Bird]

I had this conversation with my father over the weekend.  He felt the Celtics would win 25-30 games.  We then listed the teams we thought they could beat.  Went through the Celtics schedule and picked a win vs loss for each game.  Are final total was 18 wins.  Which surprisingly placed us only in third for the draft behind the Sixers and Bobcats.

You always win a few games you expect to lose, and lose a few games you expect to win.  But, they're going to be the underdog in probably 80% of the games they play this year. 

The Vegas line looks about right to me (27-28 games), assuming that Rondo comes back in late December/early January and is playing at at least 80% -85%.  They're going to struggle a lot, and if they DON'T give forth a good effort every night they don't have a prayer.  It's mostly the lack of any interior defensive presence that worries me - and I'd really like Sully to stop futzing around and start playing like a big man.  Dumb to have Sully shooting 3's, when you've got KO to play that role.

[CFAN38]

I had this conversation with my father over the weekend.  He felt the Celtics would win 25-30 games.  We then listed the teams we thought they could beat.  Went through the Celtics schedule and picked a win vs loss for each game.  Are final total was 18 wins.  Which surprisingly placed us only in third for the draft behind the Sixers and Bobcats.

You always win a few games you expect to lose, and lose a few games you expect to win.  But, they're going to be the underdog in probably 80% of the games they play this year. 

The Vegas line looks about right to me (27-28 games), assuming that Rondo comes back in late December/early January and is playing at at least 80% -85%.  They're going to struggle a lot, and if they DON'T give forth a good effort every night they don't have a prayer.  It's mostly the lack of any interior defensive presence that worries me - and I'd really like Sully to stop futzing around and start playing like a big man.  Dumb to have Sully shooting 3's, when you've got KO to play that role.

I agree, but im not against sully putting up a few 3s as long as it doesn't effect his RBing (love manages).

27-28 games sounds right to me. I figure Rondo comes back around the half way point in the season. First half 6-7 wins second half 18-19 wins. So 24-26 wins this year.

[Moranis]

What about Rondo and Lee to the Bobcats for Ben Gordon MKG and their first?

Charlotte can't trade their 1st until 2015, and that's with protections pending 2 years after they fill their obligation to Chicago, which almost certainly won't happen this year.

That is true, but Charlotte does have the rights to Detroit and Portland 1sts (though with some protections) so they could trade both of those.

[guava_wrench]

I didn't read through this whole thread and im sure people mentioned this..

But what happens to San Antonio if you remove Parker, Duncan and Ginobili.

What happens to Chicago if you remove Rose, Deng and Noah.

What happens to Houston if you remove Harden, Asik and Lin?

The Celtics lost their 3 best players.

Why would you ever assume they were going to be good this year?

Because we were able to pick up Brooks to cover the difference!

 

[Celtics4ever]

Bradley looked good with rondo and average without him. Lee was bad last year in my opinion a big big let down...and green sucked until half the season was over...I'm not sure how much better kg and pierce made those guys , kg and pierce were just better players getting the minutes.. it was Brandon bass they made appear better then he is

Bradley is a great defender but only marginally average on the offense end as a SG and worse on offense as a PG.  He has only looked good on one end of the court.   Some nights when he is on shooting he looks above average on offense but those are few and fair between.

Playing next to KG and PP would make a lot of people look better.