Would you rather have Jeff Green or Rudy Gay?

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Wiggins

The biggest NBA legend to have not played a single game.

[chambers]

Both are the playing the same position. One seems to be under achieving and is paid a lot but is a proven talented, borderline all star while the other has shown he's really good but can't bring it consistently. Both can play very good defense, Gay seems to be better at creating his own offense but Green seems to be more efficient. Both are athletic.

This does not describe either player.

In a league where featured 3s are rare, Rudy Gay is absolutely a borderline all-star, or at least has played so in the past . Questionable effort, poor shot selection hold him back, but keep in mind Paul George wasn't any better offensively last year.

You can count the number of featured SFs in the league on one hand.

Lebron
Melo
Pierce
Durant (not in this order of course)
Iggy
George

Then who? Deng, Batum, Leonard...they're all at best the third best players on their teams. Rudy Gay and Jeff Green both will likely be the best or second best player on the floor for their teams during large chunks next season. After them it's all specialists or clear second tier players. Gallinari, Parsons, Barnes, Harris..those guys could 'make the jump' next year, but haven't yet and all of them outside of Harris will play a clear third or fourth fiddle coming into the all star weekend.

I think most people would agree that Deng is better than Iggy and is the 2nd best player on that team. He's a multiple All Star isn't he?

I'd rather Rudy Gay-just a better overall player than Green-about the same or a bit below Deng. He is slightly overpaid but he's a presence on both ends.

I'd out Gay and Deng ahead of Iggy and other than that I'd agree.

[Galeto]

Both are the playing the same position. One seems to be under achieving and is paid a lot but is a proven talented, borderline all star while the other has shown he's really good but can't bring it consistently. Both can play very good defense, Gay seems to be better at creating his own offense but Green seems to be more efficient. Both are athletic.

This does not describe either player.

In a league where featured 3s are rare, Rudy Gay is absolutely a borderline all-star, or at least has played so in the past . Questionable effort, poor shot selection hold him back, but keep in mind Paul George wasn't any better offensively last year.

You can count the number of featured SFs in the league on one hand.

Lebron
Melo
Pierce
Durant (not in this order of course)
Iggy
George
(Cue Princess Bride references)

Then who? Deng, Batum, Leonard...they're all at best the third best players on their teams. Rudy Gay and Jeff Green both will likely be the best or second best player on the floor for their teams during large chunks next season. After them it's all specialists or clear second tier players. Gallinari, Parsons, Barnes, Harris..those guys could 'make the jump' next year, but haven't yet and all of them outside of Harris will play a clear third or fourth fiddle coming into the all star weekend.

George was much better offensively.  His true shooting percentage and eFG were 53.1 and 49.1; Gay's were 49.4 and 44.9.  George's percentages were slightly below-average while Gay's were well below average.  Then George averaged 4.1 assists to Gay's 2.7.

The number of featured small forwards means nothing.  Gay has rarely played to the standard of an all-star.

[ManUp]

Green only because his contract is smaller and shorter. He's easier to move or package in a deal. Gay is a better over all player, but that contract is a killer.

[Galeto]

Both are the playing the same position. One seems to be under achieving and is paid a lot but is a proven talented, borderline all star while the other has shown he's really good but can't bring it consistently. Both can play very good defense, Gay seems to be better at creating his own offense but Green seems to be more efficient. Both are athletic.

This does not describe either player.

In a league where featured 3s are rare, Rudy Gay is absolutely a borderline all-star, or at least has played so in the past . Questionable effort, poor shot selection hold him back, but keep in mind Paul George wasn't any better offensively last year.

You can count the number of featured SFs in the league on one hand.

Lebron
Melo
Pierce
Durant (not in this order of course)
Iggy
George

Then who? Deng, Batum, Leonard...they're all at best the third best players on their teams. Rudy Gay and Jeff Green both will likely be the best or second best player on the floor for their teams during large chunks next season. After them it's all specialists or clear second tier players. Gallinari, Parsons, Barnes, Harris..those guys could 'make the jump' next year, but haven't yet and all of them outside of Harris will play a clear third or fourth fiddle coming into the all star weekend.

I think most people would agree that Deng is better than Iggy and is the 2nd best player on that team. He's a multiple All Star isn't he?

I'd rather Rudy Gay-just a better overall player than Green-about the same or a bit below Deng. He is slightly overpaid but he's a presence on both ends.

I'd out Gay and Deng ahead of Iggy and other than that I'd agree.

I don't think most would agree that Deng is better than Iggy.  Both are impact defenders but Iggy may be an ever more versatile and impactful one.  Neither are great scorers but Iggy has a big advantage in the playmaking department.

[YoungOne87]

green if they have the current salaries, gay if salary doesnt matter

[indeedproceed]

Both are the playing the same position. One seems to be under achieving and is paid a lot but is a proven talented, borderline all star while the other has shown he's really good but can't bring it consistently. Both can play very good defense, Gay seems to be better at creating his own offense but Green seems to be more efficient. Both are athletic.

This does not describe either player.

In a league where featured 3s are rare, Rudy Gay is absolutely a borderline all-star, or at least has played so in the past . Questionable effort, poor shot selection hold him back, but keep in mind Paul George wasn't any better offensively last year.

You can count the number of featured SFs in the league on one hand.

Lebron
Melo
Pierce
Durant (not in this order of course)
Iggy
George
(Cue Princess Bride references)

Then who? Deng, Batum, Leonard...they're all at best the third best players on their teams. Rudy Gay and Jeff Green both will likely be the best or second best player on the floor for their teams during large chunks next season. After them it's all specialists or clear second tier players. Gallinari, Parsons, Barnes, Harris..those guys could 'make the jump' next year, but haven't yet and all of them outside of Harris will play a clear third or fourth fiddle coming into the all star weekend.

George was much better offensively.  His true shooting percentage and eFG were 53.1 and 49.1; Gay's were 49.4 and 44.9.  George's percentages were slightly below-average while Gay's were well below average.  Then George averaged 4.1 assists to Gay's 2.7.

The number of featured small forwards means nothing.  Gay has rarely played to the standard of an all-star.

George's %s are better solely because of his slightly better 3pt%, and Gay's poor shot selection in a bad year.

You got me on assists though.

But my point about featured 3s is relevant to the all star arguement. Look at Jrue Holiday, or Caron Butler, or dozens of other dubious all-star selections. If you're the featured guy on a bad team at a shallow position you got a shot.

[indeedproceed]

Both are the playing the same position. One seems to be under achieving and is paid a lot but is a proven talented, borderline all star while the other has shown he's really good but can't bring it consistently. Both can play very good defense, Gay seems to be better at creating his own offense but Green seems to be more efficient. Both are athletic.

This does not describe either player.

In a league where featured 3s are rare, Rudy Gay is absolutely a borderline all-star, or at least has played so in the past . Questionable effort, poor shot selection hold him back, but keep in mind Paul George wasn't any better offensively last year.

You can count the number of featured SFs in the league on one hand.

Lebron
Melo
Pierce
Durant (not in this order of course)
Iggy
George

Then who? Deng, Batum, Leonard...they're all at best the third best players on their teams. Rudy Gay and Jeff Green both will likely be the best or second best player on the floor for their teams during large chunks next season. After them it's all specialists or clear second tier players. Gallinari, Parsons, Barnes, Harris..those guys could 'make the jump' next year, but haven't yet and all of them outside of Harris will play a clear third or fourth fiddle coming into the all star weekend.

I think most people would agree that Deng is better than Iggy and is the 2nd best player on that team. He's a multiple All Star isn't he?

I'd rather Rudy Gay-just a better overall player than Green-about the same or a bit below Deng. He is slightly overpaid but he's a presence on both ends.

I'd out Gay and Deng ahead of Iggy and other than that I'd agree.

I don't think most would agree that Deng is better than Iggy.  Both are impact defenders but Iggy may be an ever more versatile and impactful one.  Neither are great scorers but Iggy has a big advantage in the playmaking department.

Agree with this, but it's again due somewhat to the position. Deng's the third best player, or a at worst third most important player to the Bulls team. Noah is way more valuable.

Iggy was the best player on Denver's team last year, and offensively at least scoring wise..they're both leaving a lot to be desired.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

green if they have the current salaries, gay if salary doesnt matter

That is quite a big contract.

But Gay has the the opt out clause this year, and will be a $19 million expiring next year in case he opts in.

So while that's a huge amount of money, there's not really a lot of years tied up to Gay. So for the talent he has, I think contract is not an issue anymore. He can be a big trade chip for whoever wants to cut salaries either this year or the next, if he doesnt pan out that is.

[Galeto]

Both are the playing the same position. One seems to be under achieving and is paid a lot but is a proven talented, borderline all star while the other has shown he's really good but can't bring it consistently. Both can play very good defense, Gay seems to be better at creating his own offense but Green seems to be more efficient. Both are athletic.

This does not describe either player.

In a league where featured 3s are rare, Rudy Gay is absolutely a borderline all-star, or at least has played so in the past . Questionable effort, poor shot selection hold him back, but keep in mind Paul George wasn't any better offensively last year.

You can count the number of featured SFs in the league on one hand.

Lebron
Melo
Pierce
Durant (not in this order of course)
Iggy
George
(Cue Princess Bride references)

Then who? Deng, Batum, Leonard...they're all at best the third best players on their teams. Rudy Gay and Jeff Green both will likely be the best or second best player on the floor for their teams during large chunks next season. After them it's all specialists or clear second tier players. Gallinari, Parsons, Barnes, Harris..those guys could 'make the jump' next year, but haven't yet and all of them outside of Harris will play a clear third or fourth fiddle coming into the all star weekend.

George was much better offensively.  His true shooting percentage and eFG were 53.1 and 49.1; Gay's were 49.4 and 44.9.  George's percentages were slightly below-average while Gay's were well below average.  Then George averaged 4.1 assists to Gay's 2.7.

The number of featured small forwards means nothing.  Gay has rarely played to the standard of an all-star.

George's %s are better solely because of his slightly better 3pt%, and Gay's poor shot selection in a bad year.

You got me on assists though.

But my point about featured 3s is relevant to the all star arguement. Look at Jrue Holiday, or Caron Butler, or dozens of other dubious all-star selections. If you're the featured guy on a bad team at a shallow position you got a shot.

Why does it matter why George was more efficient?  I guess it could if it was based on fluky shooting but George has been a good three point shooter two of his three seasons.  I think it's reasonable to label him an above-average three-point shooter.  Gay was a solid shooter from deep early on in his career but has dropped off, which may be related to his shoulder or vision problems.  I wouldn't project him to shoot better from deep than George next season.  As such, I would expect George to remain a more efficient scorer.  If George can get to the line more like he did in the playoffs, he has the ingredients to be a very efficient scorer.  Regardless, factoring in their efficiency and assists, George was significantly better offensively than Gay last season.

Also, your comment about Gay having poor shot selection in a bad year makes it seem like it was an out of the norm season.  He's always had bad selection.  Even when he shot in the mid-forties, he always settled for deep-deep 2-pointers.  Last season was regular Rudy Gay with worse shooting.

[Galeto]

Both are the playing the same position. One seems to be under achieving and is paid a lot but is a proven talented, borderline all star while the other has shown he's really good but can't bring it consistently. Both can play very good defense, Gay seems to be better at creating his own offense but Green seems to be more efficient. Both are athletic.

This does not describe either player.

In a league where featured 3s are rare, Rudy Gay is absolutely a borderline all-star, or at least has played so in the past . Questionable effort, poor shot selection hold him back, but keep in mind Paul George wasn't any better offensively last year.

You can count the number of featured SFs in the league on one hand.

Lebron
Melo
Pierce
Durant (not in this order of course)
Iggy
George

Then who? Deng, Batum, Leonard...they're all at best the third best players on their teams. Rudy Gay and Jeff Green both will likely be the best or second best player on the floor for their teams during large chunks next season. After them it's all specialists or clear second tier players. Gallinari, Parsons, Barnes, Harris..those guys could 'make the jump' next year, but haven't yet and all of them outside of Harris will play a clear third or fourth fiddle coming into the all star weekend.

I think most people would agree that Deng is better than Iggy and is the 2nd best player on that team. He's a multiple All Star isn't he?

I'd rather Rudy Gay-just a better overall player than Green-about the same or a bit below Deng. He is slightly overpaid but he's a presence on both ends.

I'd out Gay and Deng ahead of Iggy and other than that I'd agree.

I don't think most would agree that Deng is better than Iggy.  Both are impact defenders but Iggy may be an ever more versatile and impactful one.  Neither are great scorers but Iggy has a big advantage in the playmaking department.

Agree with this, but it's again due somewhat to the position. Deng's the third best player, or a at worst third most important player to the Bulls team. Noah is way more valuable.

Iggy was the best player on Denver's team last year, and offensively at least scoring wise..they're both leaving a lot to be desired.

I don't think Iguodala was Denver's best player or it definitely wasn't a clear cut case.  I might slice it three ways between Faried, Lawson and Iguodala.  I would probably have Lawson as their best player last season.  In terms of WS/48, whether it's meaningful or not, Iguodala came in much lower than Lawson and Faried and a bunch of other teammates.  Iguodala came in at 0.097 which is not very good whereas Faried and Lawson came in at .167 and .141.  That's enough of a difference to cast doubt on Iguodala's Best Player claim.

[SHAQATTACK]

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Wiggins

The biggest NBA legend to have not played a single game.

LOL........ So true .....