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Re: Jeff Green will get minutes at the shooting guard position!
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2013, 11:58:20 PM »

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C- sully
Pf- oly
Sf- wallace
Sg- green
Pg- ab

In the actual game

C- sully
More like a Pf- wallace

Due to ability rebound

Guarding pf but playing like a Sf - oly
Sg - green

Size adv, perimeter game. Both Can see over

Pg - ab - defense torture, run down clock, size adv vs most pgs

2nd unit

C - fav or hump
Pf- bass
Sf - bogans
Sg - lee
Pg - pressey

I think with how stevens wants the team to play, brooks and crawford may have a hard time getting regular min.

Re: Jeff Green will get minutes at the shooting guard position!
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2013, 12:06:09 AM »

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Sounds like a recipe for losses ...

Yup. Same impetus behind playing Oladipo as the backup PG, or Durant as a 2 guard for much of his rookie season.

In other news, Jared Sullinger will see time as the point in order to 'frustrate defenses with our size and rebounding'

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Re: Jeff Green will get minutes at the shooting guard position!
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2013, 12:49:34 AM »

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C- sully
Pf- oly
Sf- wallace
Sg- green
Pg- ab

In the actual game

C- sully
More like a Pf- wallace

Due to ability rebound

Guarding pf but playing like a Sf - oly
Sg - green

Size adv, perimeter game. Both Can see over

Pg - ab - defense torture, run down clock, size adv vs most pgs

2nd unit

C - fav or hump
Pf- bass
Sf - bogans
Sg - lee
Pg - pressey

I think with how stevens wants the team to play, brooks and crawford may have a hard time getting regular min.

I don't think Green starts at the 2, I think he only plays there about 8 minutes while Wallace gets a little more time than as his backup. I also think the experiment probably doesn't last more than a month or two.

Re: Jeff Green will get minutes at the shooting guard position!
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2013, 12:52:53 AM »

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It'll really get interesting when he decides to slot Olynyk in as Rondo's replacement at the point.  ;)

Our very big lineup would then be:

PG - Olynyk (i know he is a 7 footer, but he was a PG before);
SG - Jeff Green;
SF - GWallace;
PF - Sullinger;
C - Veetor Fav;

Floor spacing would not be an issue since KO and Green both have decent shooting skills and we will also have the size advantage versus the other team; The only caveat is that we may be giving up a speed advantage;

That would be interesting.

Re: Jeff Green will get minutes at the shooting guard position!
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2013, 01:26:52 AM »

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Olynyk at the point? With his current lack or lateral speed?
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Re: Jeff Green will get minutes at the shooting guard position!
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2013, 03:35:49 AM »

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Olynyk at the point? With his current lack or lateral speed?
He'll bounce it over the other point guards while dribbling  ;D

Re: Jeff Green will get minutes at the shooting guard position!
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2013, 07:11:26 AM »

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That's not news, Jeff Green saw plenty of time at SG last season.
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Re: Jeff Green will get minutes at the shooting guard position!
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2013, 08:48:49 AM »

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Last season on offense Jeff Green had a 20.6 PER as a power forward and only a 9.5 PER as a small forward.  I don't know if he will be equally bad as a 2 as he was as a 3 on offense, but it's not encouraging.

Green was very good guarding 3's last year, but I imagine that the smaller 2's like JJ Reddick and Ray Allen who run around screens all day would give Green fits.

Re: Jeff Green will get minutes at the shooting guard position!
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2013, 09:02:31 AM »

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Let's hope Stevens does something different from Doc with Green at sg.

Of the top 20 lineups featuring Green, only 2 had a combination with Pierce, making Green play the functional sg:
 
Bradley-Pierce-Green-Bass-Wilcox (73 minutes, 3rd most common Green lineup)
Bradley-Pierce-Green-Bass-Garnett (37 minutes, 10th most common Green lineup)
 
http://www.82games.c...213/12BOS10.HTM
 
I look up his stats on 82 games and former was one of the worst lineups featuring Green.

I suppose (hope) that Stevens will rely upon specific match ups to have Green be sg.
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Re: Jeff Green will get minutes at the shooting guard position!
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2013, 10:10:56 AM »

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Let's hope Stevens does something different from Doc with Green at sg.

Of the top 20 lineups featuring Green, only 2 had a combination with Pierce, making Green play the functional sg:
 
Bradley-Pierce-Green-Bass-Wilcox (73 minutes, 3rd most common Green lineup)
Bradley-Pierce-Green-Bass-Garnett (37 minutes, 10th most common Green lineup)
 
http://www.82games.c...213/12BOS10.HTM
 
I look up his stats on 82 games and former was one of the worst lineups featuring Green.

I suppose (hope) that Stevens will rely upon specific match ups to have Green be sg.
How many of those even exist though?  Tony Allen?  The league is packed with offensively talented SGs at the moment.  Maybe he could stay with a few of the slower, more clever jump-shooting types like Evan Turner or James Harden, however a guy like Harden is smart enough to put his head down and attack every possession as soon as he sees Green on him.

Joe Johnson might have slowed down enough for Green to handle, but Pierce is probably an easier matchup for him.  Then again, now that I think about it, Courtney Lee would be an infinitely safer choice for keeping Pierce's magic footwork out of the paint.
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Re: Jeff Green will get minutes at the shooting guard position!
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2013, 11:02:47 AM »

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maybe  :-\
I'd like to see brooks who has size become the steal of the trade and develop into a quality starting sg
keep green at sf, bradley off the bench is either guard position as a defensive game changer

Re: Jeff Green will get minutes at the shooting guard position!
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2013, 11:37:54 AM »

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Let's hope Stevens does something different from Doc with Green at sg.

Of the top 20 lineups featuring Green, only 2 had a combination with Pierce, making Green play the functional sg:
 
Bradley-Pierce-Green-Bass-Wilcox (73 minutes, 3rd most common Green lineup)
Bradley-Pierce-Green-Bass-Garnett (37 minutes, 10th most common Green lineup)
 
http://www.82games.c...213/12BOS10.HTM
 
I look up his stats on 82 games and former was one of the worst lineups featuring Green.

I suppose (hope) that Stevens will rely upon specific match ups to have Green be sg.
How many of those even exist though?  Tony Allen?  The league is packed with offensively talented SGs at the moment.  Maybe he could stay with a few of the slower, more clever jump-shooting types like Evan Turner or James Harden, however a guy like Harden is smart enough to put his head down and attack every possession as soon as he sees Green on him.

Joe Johnson might have slowed down enough for Green to handle, but Pierce is probably an easier matchup for him.  Then again, now that I think about it, Courtney Lee would be an infinitely safer choice for keeping Pierce's magic footwork out of the paint.


I guess it's simple enough to list the starting shooting guards and go from there:

Kobe, Wade, Harden, George, Joe Johnson, Turner, Oladipo, Beal, maybe Shumpert, Derozan, Klay Thompson, Dragic, Redick, Jimmy Butler, maybe Waiters, Danny Green, Gordon, Tony Allen, Sefolosha, Mayo, Lou Williams, maybe Kyle Korver, Wes Matthews, maybe Alec Burks, Gerald Henderson, maybe Billups or Stuckey or even rookkie Kentavious

Green should be able to cover the role players like Sefolosha, Green, Butler, Allen and Shumpert.  He might have the most difficulty chasing guards who run around screens but there's only a few of them like Redick, Korver and Klay Thompson and his reach advantage will help.

All in all, I don't see many unguardable guys.  The ones who are unguardable like Wade and Harden are unguardable by anyone, not just Green.  He can cover smaller guards like Mayo, Beal, etc and even if he can't, they're going to struggle to guard him as well. In a league in which defensive wing role players have to be able to guard both positions, it's an interchangeable position.   

Re: Jeff Green will get minutes at the shooting guard position!
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2013, 11:59:37 AM »

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Let's hope Stevens does something different from Doc with Green at sg.

Of the top 20 lineups featuring Green, only 2 had a combination with Pierce, making Green play the functional sg:
 
Bradley-Pierce-Green-Bass-Wilcox (73 minutes, 3rd most common Green lineup)
Bradley-Pierce-Green-Bass-Garnett (37 minutes, 10th most common Green lineup)
 
http://www.82games.c...213/12BOS10.HTM
 
I look up his stats on 82 games and former was one of the worst lineups featuring Green.

I suppose (hope) that Stevens will rely upon specific match ups to have Green be sg.
How many of those even exist though?  Tony Allen?  The league is packed with offensively talented SGs at the moment.  Maybe he could stay with a few of the slower, more clever jump-shooting types like Evan Turner or James Harden, however a guy like Harden is smart enough to put his head down and attack every possession as soon as he sees Green on him.

Joe Johnson might have slowed down enough for Green to handle, but Pierce is probably an easier matchup for him.  Then again, now that I think about it, Courtney Lee would be an infinitely safer choice for keeping Pierce's magic footwork out of the paint.


I guess it's simple enough to list the starting shooting guards and go from there:

Kobe, Wade, Harden, George, Joe Johnson, Turner, Oladipo, Beal, maybe Shumpert, Derozan, Klay Thompson, Dragic, Redick, Jimmy Butler, maybe Waiters, Danny Green, Gordon, Tony Allen, Sefolosha, Mayo, Lou Williams, maybe Kyle Korver, Wes Matthews, maybe Alec Burks, Gerald Henderson, maybe Billups or Stuckey or even rookkie Kentavious

Green should be able to cover the role players like Sefolosha, Green, Butler, Allen and Shumpert.  He might have the most difficulty chasing guards who run around screens but there's only a few of them like Redick, Korver and Klay Thompson and his reach advantage will help.

All in all, I don't see many unguardable guys.  The ones who are unguardable like Wade and Harden are unguardable by anyone, not just Green.  He can cover smaller guards like Mayo, Beal, etc and even if he can't, they're going to struggle to guard him as well. In a league in which defensive wing role players have to be able to guard both positions, it's an interchangeable position.

good points. though we could also expand this discussion beyond green's defense on other sg, but also include their ability to stop him.

green might not be as quick as many of the sg, but his size and strength could create some real mismatches that, with stevens planning, might help the celtics on occasion, especially if green can post up people.

i dont know if stevens' idea on green will be a success or not on either end of the floor, but this year i am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since wins are not the priority.
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Re: Jeff Green will get minutes at the shooting guard position!
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2013, 12:02:01 PM »

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Jeff green is clearly not a starting sg, and should not get a lot of mins there . In the playoffs last year he was pretty much shut down whenever a Shumpert was on him . He doesn't have the handle or speed  to get past shooting guards , or the ability to follow more mobile shooting guards on defense .

The only times I can see him playing sg is against big less mobile sg's like Paul George, Joe Johnson, Durant type sg's.


Re: Jeff Green will get minutes at the shooting guard position!
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2013, 12:48:43 PM »

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Makes sense. We only have 5 other guys at that position.

Haha this made me chuckle aloud.

Like someone else says, not really news. Green played the SG position last year alongside Pierce. I liked that line up on paper. But with the players we have this year I would much rather see Green play his minutes (majority) at the Forward position.