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Make use of all those picks (Pelicans idea)
« on: October 03, 2013, 04:57:33 PM »

Offline jay

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The Pelicans picked up Tyreke and Jrue.  They have a ton of money promised to 24 year old Eric Gordon and 25 year old Ryan Anderson.  Both have 3 years left on contracts.  Send out Humphries (one year left), Bass (two years left) and Crawford.  This gives them significant cap relief.  How many draft picks would it take to make the Pelicans bite?  Do they want cap relief that bad?  Do they want to dump Gordons attitude?

For Boston, you know have Rondo, Green, Wallace, Gordon, and Anderson (and Courtney Lee) to pay for a long time.  Is that a good enough team (along with Sullinger, Olynyk, Bradley to make up a 9 man rotation) to compete?

Rondo  Bradley
Gordon  Lee
Green  Wallace
Anderson  Sullinger
Olynyk   (Faverani?)

Besides Wallace, most of these players are all 27 and younger.  Gordon and Anderson were their leading scorers a year ago, combining for 33 points. 

If you make the trade at the deadline, there's a chance we would be bad enough to still be in the lottery in 2014.  Going forward, you may have a 6'7" or 6'8" Sg/SF to add to the mix and bench Wallace completely.  Give the Pelicans future Nets/Celtics picks. 

Re: Make use of all those picks (Pelicans idea)
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2013, 05:10:47 PM »

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I am not sure about the Anderson part (I think the Pelicans may want to keep him), but the Gordon deal is a real possibility, if Danny wants to try to build around a core starting with Rondo.

Something like Humphries, Lee, and a couple picks (depending on his health) for Gordon could make a lot of sense.  Or if the Pelicans are really set on winning sooner rather than later, you can try to work on a 3-way trade where Boston takes Gordon, and another impact player goes to NOH.  Danny Granger comes to mind. 

Of course the question is whether Danny wants to roll the dice on Gordon and his injury history.  If he is healthy, he could be a good fit.  But if he continues the way has been the last few years, that could be a real albatross.

Re: Make use of all those picks (Pelicans idea)
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2013, 05:47:56 PM »

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Well considering in actuality that the Pelicans are a young core, and look very promising in that aspect. I'm going to assume they would want at least 2-3 picks, and most likely the pick where they can swap with the Nets. I don't see the Nets doing formidably well in two years from now, so that pick might be valuable.

I'm a little hesitant on banking on Ryan Anderson and Eric Gordon. Ryan Anderson is a great floor spacing big, but he lacks defense, and his help defense is just as bad. I remember reading his stats, and his ranking was below the top 50 of PF. Gordon might help us if he can remain healthy, a duo of Gordon and Rondo might be something fun to see. Rondo driving, dishes it to KO, who then posts up, and waits for Gordon to cut in for the easy lay in.

Gordon unfortunately is still a player who is inefficient, but the thing with him is there is no actual true point guard who can feed him consistently. He relies mainly on shooting shots when he's handling the ball, so until we can see Jrue Holiday and Gordon performing together; he might be excellent or average pick up.
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Re: Make use of all those picks (Pelicans idea)
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2013, 07:40:22 PM »

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Either or both anderson and/or Gordon Keep us up againest the salery Cap and take all our flexibility away so quick. thus if things go bad we are stuck for a long time. Essentially we would be trying to reload rather than rebuild. I would like to stick with rebuilding using our own picks and grooming our own talent and then fillling in the blankets via trades as we did in with K G and Ray Ray who were proven talent and not talent to gamble on developing at high salaries as would be the case with Gordon and Anderson.

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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2013, 05:06:48 PM »

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Re: Make use of all those picks (Pelicans idea)
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2013, 09:36:49 AM »

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With the way Anthony Davis is starting the preseason, and with them talking about Steemer starting at center - I think Anderson could be had.  The Pelicans are a small market team and dont need to pay more than Jrue, Davis, and Tyreke too much money. 

Going forward:

Rondo
Gordon  Bradley
Green
Anderson  Sullinger
Olynyk


Wait and do it after the all star break and hopefully get a good 6'7" athlete in the draft to add to the rotation.  Wayne Selden could drop, Glen Robinson 3, Jerami Grant, ...

Re: Make use of all those picks (Pelicans idea)
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2013, 07:46:03 PM »

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Honestly I'm not sure I give up more than one pick for Gordon. He's been so injured the past few seasons. Even if you assume he will be healthy going forward just looking at Gordon's stats when he was playing the past 3 seasons they get progressively worse. Less minutes played, lower percentages from the field and 3pt. I'm not saying that his injuries wouldn't affect his shooting. I am saying it should be accounted for.

Food for thought: Marcus Thornton (in dysfunctional Sac-town) had either similar or better stats than Gordon last year at half his salary.

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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2013, 08:27:12 PM »

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Gordon would not be hard, at all, to pry away from the Pelicans. While he is an excellent player, you're betting $15 mil a year that he will be healthy. I do like the idea of him coming to the Celts because we need a flat out scorer, but I can see why GMs such as DA would be hesitant to take him.

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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2013, 08:31:16 PM »

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I don't really see the point in making the trade. Adding Gordon (and even Anderson) doesn't put Boston in contention and makes the cap situation a lot worse.  So all the trade would do is make Boston have a worst draft pick, worse cap situation, less future picks, and while a bit closer to contention no where near it and now with less assets and ability to get there faster.

That said I think a 3 team trade with Indiana might make some sense.  Rondo & Wallace to Indy, Granger to NO, and Hill & Gordon to Boston.  That trade seems to make more sense for all of the teams involved.
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Re: Make use of all those picks (Pelicans idea)
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2013, 08:53:57 PM »

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How can you trade away your picks before you even find out what your needs are?

I think it's safe to put scoring at the top of our list of needs. I would certainly trade for Gordon, he's a top tier scorer and very young. We severly lack scoring and he would workvery well with Rondo. Adding a scorer of his caliber totally changes the dynamic of our team.

Rondo
Gordon
Green
Sullinger
Olynyk

bench:
Wallace
Fav
Humphries
Bradley

we need a legit backup pg, and a defensive center. We could possibly fill a need or two by trading Bradley and a few picks.

Re: Make use of all those picks (Pelicans idea)
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2013, 10:39:40 AM »

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The Pelicans picked up Tyreke and Jrue.  They have a ton of money promised to 24 year old Eric Gordon and 25 year old Ryan Anderson.  Both have 3 years left on contracts.  Send out Humphries (one year left), Bass (two years left) and Crawford.  This gives them significant cap relief.  How many draft picks would it take to make the Pelicans bite?  Do they want cap relief that bad?  Do they want to dump Gordons attitude?

For Boston, you know have Rondo, Green, Wallace, Gordon, and Anderson (and Courtney Lee) to pay for a long time.  Is that a good enough team (along with Sullinger, Olynyk, Bradley to make up a 9 man rotation) to compete?

Rondo  Bradley
Gordon  Lee
Green  Wallace
Anderson  Sullinger
Olynyk   (Faverani?)

Besides Wallace, most of these players are all 27 and younger.  Gordon and Anderson were their leading scorers a year ago, combining for 33 points. 

If you make the trade at the deadline, there's a chance we would be bad enough to still be in the lottery in 2014.  Going forward, you may have a 6'7" or 6'8" Sg/SF to add to the mix and bench Wallace completely.  Give the Pelicans future Nets/Celtics picks.

I really don't get the fascination with Gordon.  He's an overpaid, injury prone smallish SG at 6'4.  He's missed more games than he's played over the last 3 years and I don't think he's worth the risk...

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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2013, 10:54:47 AM »

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I don't know this for a fact but I'm almost certain that Danny Ainge isn't looking to build a team to be a #6 or #7 seed and never win Banner 18.  Heck no to this trade. 

Need to have patience.  Can't pounce on mediocre deals like this.  Besides.  Anderson is soft.  He's a jump shooting big who is limited defensively.  Eric Gordon can score when he's healthy...but he's never won jack sh*t and he's never healthy.

I pass on this deal big time. 

Re: Make use of all those picks (Pelicans idea)
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2013, 11:05:28 AM »

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For me im interested in anthony davis.

What players and how many picks would it take to get him??

Lol. Man davis and olynyk upfront would be awesome.

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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2013, 11:15:00 AM »

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I really don't get the fascination with Gordon.  He's an overpaid, injury prone smallish SG at 6'4.  He's missed more games than he's played over the last 3 years and I don't think he's worth the risk...

It's pretty easy to understand the fascination.  Some people over-value the ability to score 20 points per game.
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2013, 12:00:17 PM »

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I really don't get the fascination with Gordon.  He's an overpaid, injury prone smallish SG at 6'4.  He's missed more games than he's played over the last 3 years and I don't think he's worth the risk...

It's pretty easy to understand the fascination.  Some people over-value the ability to score 20 points per game.

Eric Gordon would be the second best player on this team... if he was healthy.

Which is part of the gamble. But it's also part of the reason why you could snag him at a discount. The easy parallel is Ray for the #5 pick, as far as talent + injury = pennies on the dollar. I'm not sure if the Pelicans bite on that, because Seattle was in the process of dismantling their team and New Orleans is trying to get out of the doldrums, but I'm also not sure that something like the trade above would be a terrible idea.

For me im interested in anthony davis.

What players and how many picks would it take to get him??

Lol. Man davis and olynyk upfront would be awesome.
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