Why does Rondo have to be traded?

[pearljammer10]

Because Rondo's contract expires in a two years, he will demand max dollars, and Boston still won't be a contender.  By the time Boston is ready to compete again, Rondo will be on the wrong side of 30 and no longer young and improving.  And that is if Boston doesn't have any misses in the draft and ends up with at least solid value. 

  No offense, but I don't think anyone here has the slightest idea of what Boston's plans are going forward. Are they going to use all of their draft picks? Are they going to trade them? If so, for what? Also, the odds that the Celts buy into the "hang around at the bottom of the league until you land a superstar" mantra that so many here espouse are fairly low.

I'm beginning to think that you have the right of it here. I think that the Cs are going full in for the tank this season. That's just looking at the roster. But after that, I doubt Danny really wants to spend a second year in the basement. This draft is worth it, and any time you can pick Top-3 you should be picking up a cornerstone, but this year especially seems worth it.

After that, only Gerald Wallace's albatross contract stands in the way of making a quick transition to playoff lock. A good signing here, growth from some of our guys there, we could be okay. Not contenders, but not terrible.

Here there is a bit of a double edged sword regarding Rondo. If they were going to trade him, maximum value would be hopefully at the trade deadline, but more likely in the offseason. But what if Rondo comes back averaging 20 and 10? It's doable, moreso if he uses his time off to hone his skills and turn that chip on his shoulder into a resentful razors edge.

He's basically a reliable (I'm talking 4-5 attempts and 38%) 3 pt shot and 75% on at least 4 attempts from the line away from 20 ppg now, and while he's no longer a spring chicken, he's not beyond taking his game to a new level at 27 years old.

Rondo would have to boost his scoring per 36 by 5 or 6 points in order to jump up to 20 points a game.

There aren't many 20 ppg scorers in today's league anymore, either.

I think Rondo's scoring ceiling is 15 or 16 a game over the course of a full season, and even then I'm not convinced he could score like that with great efficiency.

He's best suited to be a 12-12-4-2 guy on a team with elite scorers for him to feed all game long, in my opinion. 

Sadly, I don't see Rondo getting to fill that role on this team anytime soon, which is why I'm in favor of trading him if a decent offer is made.

I think 18 points 11 assists 5 rebounds and 2 steals is not out of the questions for Rondo this season especially with the squad we have. He averaged 12 shots per game last year and theres no reason he wont be able to averaged 16 per game this year which would bump him up about 4 points, potentially 5 with more free throws putting him in the 17 to 18 a game range.

With Jeff Green the only other scorer Rondo is going to be able to do whatever he wants when he has the ball without Pierce and KG to defer to.

[BballTim]

Because Rondo's contract expires in a two years, he will demand max dollars, and Boston still won't be a contender.  By the time Boston is ready to compete again, Rondo will be on the wrong side of 30 and no longer young and improving.  And that is if Boston doesn't have any misses in the draft and ends up with at least solid value. 

  No offense, but I don't think anyone here has the slightest idea of what Boston's plans are going forward. Are they going to use all of their draft picks? Are they going to trade them? If so, for what? Also, the odds that the Celts buy into the "hang around at the bottom of the league until you land a superstar" mantra that so many here espouse are fairly low.

I'm beginning to think that you have the right of it here. I think that the Cs are going full in for the tank this season. That's just looking at the roster. But after that, I doubt Danny really wants to spend a second year in the basement. This draft is worth it, and any time you can pick Top-3 you should be picking up a cornerstone, but this year especially seems worth it.

After that, only Gerald Wallace's albatross contract stands in the way of making a quick transition to playoff lock. A good signing here, growth from some of our guys there, we could be okay. Not contenders, but not terrible.

Here there is a bit of a double edged sword regarding Rondo. If they were going to trade him, maximum value would be hopefully at the trade deadline, but more likely in the offseason. But what if Rondo comes back averaging 20 and 10? It's doable, moreso if he uses his time off to hone his skills and turn that chip on his shoulder into a resentful razors edge.

He's basically a reliable (I'm talking 4-5 attempts and 38%) 3 pt shot and 75% on at least 4 attempts from the line away from 20 ppg now, and while he's no longer a spring chicken, he's not beyond taking his game to a new level at 27 years old.

Rondo would have to boost his scoring per 36 by 5 or 6 points in order to jump up to 20 points a game.

There aren't many 20 ppg scorers in today's league anymore, either.

I think Rondo's scoring ceiling is 15 or 16 a game over the course of a full season, and even then I'm not convinced he could score like that with great efficiency.

He's best suited to be a 12-12-4-2 guy on a team with elite scorers for him to feed all game long, in my opinion. 

Sadly, I don't see Rondo getting to fill that role on this team anytime soon, which is why I'm in favor of trading him if a decent offer is made.

  He doesn't need to be on the court with elite scorers, just players that can finish around the rim or hit open shots. He hasn't been playing with elite scorers in quite some time.

[Celtics18]

I disagree with Stein.  I don't want to see Rondo traded.  I think he has done enough for the franchise to have earned the right to continue to prove himself on this team. 

To be honest, trading Rondo as he is entering his prime would simply be too callous a move on Ainge's part.  Keep Rondo and try to build the next contender around him.  I think that Ainge is starting to gather the pieces to be able to at least put himself in a position to try to get that done. 

Of course, there's risk involved in going that route, but there's risk involved in trading him away for young assets and picks, as well.  From this fan's perspective, this is where showing a little loyalty and decency from this franchise is the right way to go. 

The current climate of "expendability" of the professional athletes that we root for is starting to go too far, in my opinion. 

When thinking about this, I keep returning to the Pierce situation prior to the forming of the "New Big Three."  At the time, there was lots of rumbling that the team would be better off trading Pierce to rebuild.  Many didn't consider him building block material.  He was, at times, considered selfish and immature, not "the guy" to lead the Celtics into the future.

Pierce stayed, and in staying, he got the opportunity to cement his legacy as one of the all-time great Celtics.  I am grateful that I got to see that happen. 

I am hoping that I get to see that same opportunity given to Rajon Rondo.

[More Banners]

The thing is, if Rondo needs elite scorers around him then he isn't worth much.  Elite scorers, one might think, would be pricey themselves, and second not need a Rondo to set them up.

This is the season Rondo shows he can take the reigns and set guys up and/or take the team on his back from time to time.  That might not mean high average scoring, but some stretches where the star needs to break an opponents run/momentum.

Pierce used to to that by drawing fouls at one time, or scoring.  I don't really know what it looks like when ROndo is looking to score.  But he's dominated big games, so he seems to have something going for him.

Let's find out how things look when he gets on the floor with Green and Olynyk, plus Sully and perhaps Bradley defending and rebounding.

[Celtics4ever]

He doesn't have to be traded.  Marc Stein is a sports reporter not a GM.  He works for ESPN so he is from the toss something out controversial to make a story instead of reporting the news.

Plenty of fans stick around good or bad for the Celtics.   I watch them every year good or bad.   Unwatchable isn't in my vocabulary because I love the team.

[LilRip]

When thinking about this, I keep returning to the Pierce situation prior to the forming of the "New Big Three."  At the time, there was lots of rumbling that the team would be better off trading Pierce to rebuild.  Many didn't consider him building block material.  He was, at times, considered selfish and immature, not "the guy" to lead the Celtics into the future.

as a fan, i never wanted to see Pierce go, nor did i want him traded. But that's coz i'm a fan with oodles of sentimentality. But to be impartial/unbiased, pretty sure i would've been behind the Pierce-CP3 trade that DA was trying to get done (had NOH been a willing trade partner). The trades that led to the formation of the Big 3 were pretty lucky, tbh (i don't know if it's ever been done before), but it honestly takes a little (or a lot) of luck/risk to build a contender.

Anyway, I think if there was a time to make a "big trade", it should be this year or the next. We're not building on anything as of the moment and we don't have a championship or contending core whose chemistry will get rocked with a big trade (unlike the Perk trade). We're in transition, with a new coach and a bunch of new players.

[Tr1boy]

Reason for trading Rondo: Plays like last year (walking up with the ball, inconsistent defense) , has the ball 80 percent of the time offense but the team offensive efficiency/output is brutal.  Still will stuff his stats which will make his trade value high

Reason for not trading Rondo: Rondo of 2010-2011 is back. Just outworking everyone and not worrying about perfecting set plays etc.  Literally playing like Playoff rondo.

I'm a mixed of bags of what kind of Rondo we will see.  Some say, it was not Rondo's fault bc the team was so slow. KG and PP was slow but not everyone else. So without them , i wonder if he will trust everyone else and get used to playing a running game again. If he doesn't run and we all know stevens is planning to run alot more, there will be friction.

[SHAQATTACK]

Not seeing Rondo being traded any time soon.   

[D.o.s.]

He doesn't have to be traded.  Marc Stein is a sports reporter not a GM.  He works for ESPN so he is from the toss something out controversial to make a story instead of reporting the news.

Plenty of fans stick around good or bad for the Celtics.   I watch them every year good or bad.   Unwatchable isn't in my vocabulary because I love the team.

Agreed, but I actually think this is an example of the opposite occuring.

In any kind of scenario that visits input from all kinds of minds, there's a lot of group think that inevitably happens--I'm sure the first sportswriter to vocalize the idea that "the Bucks perpetual mediocrity is worse than totally bottoming out and starting afresh" really wishes he or she had a nickel every time that phrase was repeated.

Since that's become the paradigm for thoughts on rebuilding, the idea that we "have" to trade Rondo--or else, it's implied, be stuck in that dreaded and deadly 7th/8th/9th seed purgatory that keeps us out of the fashionably nice lottery picks while not being anything other than fodder for the real contenders--is actually a very safe and uncontroversial one.

It'd be more "shocking" to say, as many here have, that our best course is to keep Rondo, weather the storm, and rebuild quickly into world beaters.

[Celtics4ever]

Agreed, but I actually think this is an example of the opposite occuring.

Danny has rebuilt us once.  Few years of drafts and low picks and we kept PP who was a decent guy who needed help.   I think we need someone to be PP.   People might want to play with Rondo.   Right now he is the only guy I can see a FA wanting to come to Boston for.   We have the picks to stockpile talent and we have a talent.   That is how DA did it last time.   He also should have some cap space if we can move some stuff after this year.

[D.o.s.]

Agreed, but I actually think this is an example of the opposite occuring.

Danny has rebuilt us once.  Few years of drafts and low picks and we kept PP who was a decent guy who needed help.   I think we need someone to be PP.   People might want to play with Rondo.   Right now he is the only guy I can see a FA wanting to come to Boston for.   We have the picks to stockpile talent and we have a talent.   That is how DA did it last time.   He also should have some cap space if we can move some stuff after this year.

I was referring to Stein's comment being controversial.

[wdleehi]

There is no "rush" to trade anyone right now. 


In order of wants:

Humphries for something.
Wallace as a salary dump. 

Bass if he has a strong early season.




But Rondo?  Not until he proves to be healthy, playing like a star and some desperate team loaded with real assets offer the moon for him. 

If he was to be traded, I would rather wait until the end of the season.  That way, the Celtics are trading him for sure picks, not the mystery lotto chance. 

[chambers]

He doesn't have to be traded, but there's a decent chance he is in my opinion.
He's too good to just clean your hands of and start a rebuild- he's one of those 3 guys you need on a championship team. He's also got the experience in the big games/leadership potential that we'll need.
I think we'll rebuild around him to the extent that he's the exisiting piece. I think we'll try and draft a superstar with a top 3 pick and rebuild around that guy and Rondo for 3-4 years.

If our pick isn't looking like it will be top 5 or does end up something like 6-12 then I think Danny looks at trades using that pick to get help.

Only way he trades Rondo is if we are offered and incredible young guy or an incredible draft pick  (top 7 pick) plus nice pieces for Rondo.

I think it depends on Rondo's attitude- does Danny think Rondo has it in him to stick through this pain period for 3 or 4 years if it lasts that long?

Or is just bad timing that our rebuild will probably take more than 2 seasons and Rondo hits free agency in 2 years? He'll be getting some very nice offers from multiple contending teams.
Danny has to work out how to make us a contender or a team that's starting to look like a contender within 2 seasons or RR is probably gone.(Again, in my opinion).

[Boris Badenov]

Because Rondo's contract expires in a two years, he will demand max dollars, and Boston still won't be a contender.  By the time Boston is ready to compete again, Rondo will be on the wrong side of 30 and no longer young and improving.  And that is if Boston doesn't have any misses in the draft and ends up with at least solid value. 

Rajon Rondo doesn't make sense for this team.  He isn't a franchise championship type player and his skill set isn't that of a guy to lead a team (you have to be a consistent scorer to lead a team as a franchise player).  He is very good and will add 5-10 victories to the team, thus hurting a young rebuilding teams draft position.  He also has a poor attitude, only shows up when he wants to, and will likely generally be a problem on a bad/mediocre team.  Couple all of this with Boston's lack of cap space any time soon and there is no real mechanism for Boston to land a true championship type franchise player with Rondo on the team.  For all of those reasons, I agree with Stein, Boston must trade Rondo.

Pretend it's 2006:

"Because Rondo's Pierce's contract expires in a two years, he will demand max dollars, and Boston still won't be a contender.  By the time Boston is ready to compete again, Rondo Pierce will be on the wrong side of 30 and no longer young and improving.  And that is if Boston doesn't have any misses in the draft and ends up with at least solid value. 

Rajon Rondo Paul Pierce doesn't make sense for this team.  He isn't a franchise championship type player and his skill set isn't that of a guy to lead a team.  He is very good and will add 5-10 victories to the team, thus hurting a young rebuilding teams draft position.  He also has a poor attitude, only shows up when he wants to, and will likely generally be a problem on a bad/mediocre team.  Couple all of this with Boston's lack of cap space any time soon and there is no real mechanism for Boston to land a true championship type franchise player with Rondo Pierce on the team.  For all of those reasons, I agree with Stein, Boston must trade Rondo Pierce."

[BASS_THUMPER]

why does Bass keep comin up in trade conversation



our best player during the playoffs

scoring, rebounds and defense

he stays..Rondo too