Sullinger domestic violence update

[indeedproceed]

Stockholm syndrome.

Not really that refers specifically to hostages/prisoners bonding with the captors.

Anyways best not to arm-chair diagnose when we have only the barest details of a single incident.

Many abused women stay with their abusers for years. 

I'd like to add that she may suffer from battered woman syndrome and some kind of codependency.

She may.  Or, she may be a perfectly rationally minded, forgiving woman who realizes that good people can make bad decisions.  Or, she may be a gold digger.  Or, she may suffer from mental health issues that make her prone to exaggeration and histrionics.

We have absolutely no idea.

Well Roy if we are talking about rationality and statistics we know that most abusive men do not change and that past actions are often the best predictor of future behavior.

"Most" doesn't mean "always", though, does it?  You can't take one incident where somebody was allegedly pinned to the bed during an argument and extrapolate it to a situation of long-term, chronic abuse.

There's nothing at all to suggest that this woman has battered woman's syndrome, just like there's nothing to suggest that Sullinger is innocent (well, other than the Constitution).

I guess she threw herself on the bed marking her chest and forced Sullinger to intimidate a witness and also asked him to destroy her phone.

Lets be real.

I don't think 'he did it' or 'she threw herself on the bed marking her chest and forced sullinger to the rest of the thing you said' are really the only 2 options here.

You didn't even consider aliens. Or hypnotism. Rye contaminated with ergot? Could be anything, maybe its better to just withhold.

[celticdog]

Stockholm syndrome.

Not really that refers specifically to hostages/prisoners bonding with the captors.

Anyways best not to arm-chair diagnose when we have only the barest details of a single incident.

Many abused women stay with their abusers for years. 

I'd like to add that she may suffer from battered woman syndrome and some kind of codependency.

She may.  Or, she may be a perfectly rationally minded, forgiving woman who realizes that good people can make bad decisions.  Or, she may be a gold digger.  Or, she may suffer from mental health issues that make her prone to exaggeration and histrionics.

We have absolutely no idea.

Well Roy if we are talking about rationality and statistics we know that most abusive men do not change and that past actions are often the best predictor of future behavior.

"Most" doesn't mean "always", though, does it?  You can't take one incident where somebody was allegedly pinned to the bed during an argument and extrapolate it to a situation of long-term, chronic abuse.

There's nothing at all to suggest that this woman has battered woman's syndrome, just like there's nothing to suggest that Sullinger is innocent (well, other than the Constitution).

I guess she threw herself on the bed marking her chest and forced Sullinger to intimidate a witness and also asked him to destroy her phone.

Lets be real.

I don't think 'he did it' or 'she threw herself on the bed marking her chest and forced sullinger to the rest of the thing you said' are really the only 2 options here.

You didn't even consider aliens. Or hypnotism. Rye contaminated with ergot? Could be anything, maybe its better to just withhold.

Aliens?  No I think I will respectfully share my opinion. Not sure why this is a laughing matter.  Anything to change the subject I guess.

[indeedproceed]

Stockholm syndrome.

Not really that refers specifically to hostages/prisoners bonding with the captors.

Anyways best not to arm-chair diagnose when we have only the barest details of a single incident.

Many abused women stay with their abusers for years. 

I'd like to add that she may suffer from battered woman syndrome and some kind of codependency.

She may.  Or, she may be a perfectly rationally minded, forgiving woman who realizes that good people can make bad decisions.  Or, she may be a gold digger.  Or, she may suffer from mental health issues that make her prone to exaggeration and histrionics.

We have absolutely no idea.

Well Roy if we are talking about rationality and statistics we know that most abusive men do not change and that past actions are often the best predictor of future behavior.

"Most" doesn't mean "always", though, does it?  You can't take one incident where somebody was allegedly pinned to the bed during an argument and extrapolate it to a situation of long-term, chronic abuse.

There's nothing at all to suggest that this woman has battered woman's syndrome, just like there's nothing to suggest that Sullinger is innocent (well, other than the Constitution).

I guess she threw herself on the bed marking her chest and forced Sullinger to intimidate a witness and also asked him to destroy her phone.

Lets be real.

I don't think 'he did it' or 'she threw herself on the bed marking her chest and forced sullinger to the rest of the thing you said' are really the only 2 options here.

You didn't even consider aliens. Or hypnotism. Rye contaminated with ergot? Could be anything, maybe its better to just withhold.

Aliens?  No I think I will respectfully share my opinion. Not sure why this is a laughing matter.  Anything to change the subject I guess.

You stated she had stockholm syndrom, then stated that Ms Smith may have battered woman's syndrome with some kind of codependency.

I chose humor to highlight that this kind of speculation is ridiculous. We don't even know if Sullinger is guilty yet, and until that's been established, this kind of guess work is just unfounded.

[celticdog]

Stockholm syndrome.

Not really that refers specifically to hostages/prisoners bonding with the captors.

Anyways best not to arm-chair diagnose when we have only the barest details of a single incident.

Many abused women stay with their abusers for years. 

I'd like to add that she may suffer from battered woman syndrome and some kind of codependency.

She may.  Or, she may be a perfectly rationally minded, forgiving woman who realizes that good people can make bad decisions.  Or, she may be a gold digger.  Or, she may suffer from mental health issues that make her prone to exaggeration and histrionics.

We have absolutely no idea.

Well Roy if we are talking about rationality and statistics we know that most abusive men do not change and that past actions are often the best predictor of future behavior.

"Most" doesn't mean "always", though, does it?  You can't take one incident where somebody was allegedly pinned to the bed during an argument and extrapolate it to a situation of long-term, chronic abuse.

There's nothing at all to suggest that this woman has battered woman's syndrome, just like there's nothing to suggest that Sullinger is innocent (well, other than the Constitution).

I guess she threw herself on the bed marking her chest and forced Sullinger to intimidate a witness and also asked him to destroy her phone.

Lets be real.

I don't think 'he did it' or 'she threw herself on the bed marking her chest and forced sullinger to the rest of the thing you said' are really the only 2 options here.

You didn't even consider aliens. Or hypnotism. Rye contaminated with ergot? Could be anything, maybe its better to just withhold.

Aliens?  No I think I will respectfully share my opinion. Not sure why this is a laughing matter.  Anything to change the subject I guess.

You stated she had stockholm syndrom, then stated that Ms Smith may have battered woman's syndrome with some kind of codependency.

I chose humor to highlight that this kind of speculation is ridiculous. We don't even know if Sullinger is guilty yet, and until that's been established, this kind of guess work is just unfounded.

We dont know that Sullinger is guilty yet but we have reports that he pinned his girlfriend to the bed, marking her chest, destroyed her phone while she was calling for help, and that he intimidated a witness. 

I suggest that its a bad sign that the woman is returning to him because most abusers do not change.  We also know that many women who return to abusive relationships do so even when it is against their best interests.  Most women who stay in abusive relationships do so due to complicated psychological and social reasons, sometimes battered woman syndrome etc. 

This is absolutely not ridiculous.  I believe it is common sense. I think if you know anyone who works with battered women you will find the same.   

I find it remarkable that you do not reckon with the content of police reports but are more than eager to make jokes about aliens and disparage my opinion as ridiculous. 

Somehow if the man in question was Kobe Bryant and not a man in a green jersey you would put the references to space aliens aside and deal with the matter more directly.

[indeedproceed]

Stockholm syndrome.

Not really that refers specifically to hostages/prisoners bonding with the captors.

Anyways best not to arm-chair diagnose when we have only the barest details of a single incident.

Many abused women stay with their abusers for years. 

I'd like to add that she may suffer from battered woman syndrome and some kind of codependency.

She may.  Or, she may be a perfectly rationally minded, forgiving woman who realizes that good people can make bad decisions.  Or, she may be a gold digger.  Or, she may suffer from mental health issues that make her prone to exaggeration and histrionics.

We have absolutely no idea.

Well Roy if we are talking about rationality and statistics we know that most abusive men do not change and that past actions are often the best predictor of future behavior.

"Most" doesn't mean "always", though, does it?  You can't take one incident where somebody was allegedly pinned to the bed during an argument and extrapolate it to a situation of long-term, chronic abuse.

There's nothing at all to suggest that this woman has battered woman's syndrome, just like there's nothing to suggest that Sullinger is innocent (well, other than the Constitution).

I guess she threw herself on the bed marking her chest and forced Sullinger to intimidate a witness and also asked him to destroy her phone.

Lets be real.

I don't think 'he did it' or 'she threw herself on the bed marking her chest and forced sullinger to the rest of the thing you said' are really the only 2 options here.

You didn't even consider aliens. Or hypnotism. Rye contaminated with ergot? Could be anything, maybe its better to just withhold.

Aliens?  No I think I will respectfully share my opinion. Not sure why this is a laughing matter.  Anything to change the subject I guess.

You stated she had stockholm syndrom, then stated that Ms Smith may have battered woman's syndrome with some kind of codependency.

I chose humor to highlight that this kind of speculation is ridiculous. We don't even know if Sullinger is guilty yet, and until that's been established, this kind of guess work is just unfounded.

We dont know that Sullinger is guilty yet but we have reports that he pinned his girlfriend to the bed, marking her chest, destroyed her phone while she was calling for help, and that he intimidated a witness. 

I suggest that its a bad sign that the woman is returning to him because most abusers do not change.  We also know that many women who return to abusive relationships do so even when it is against their best interests.  Most women who stay in abusive relationships do so due to complicated psychological and social reasons, sometimes battered woman syndrome etc. 

This is absolutely not ridiculous.  I believe it is common sense. I think if you know anyone who works with battered women you will find the same.   

I find it remarkable that you do not reckon with the content of police reports but are more than eager to make jokes about aliens and disparage my opinion as ridiculous. 

Somehow if the man in question was Kobe Bryant and not a man in a green jersey you would put the references to space aliens aside and deal with the matter more directly.

Funnily enough, my wife works for a women's shelter. I'm extremely well versed in the serial nature of domestic abuse and frequency with which it reoccurs. I've been to presentations, I've read papers, I've heard first-hand recounts about the slow road to hell women who are trapped in these situations end up walking, and I'm extremely weary for people who make generalizations about domestic violence as a result.

And throwing out 'stockholm syndrome' and 'battered women's syndrome' when so little is known, when the couple is attempting a reconciliation, seems pretty baseless in my opinion.

And speculation that I'd throw Kobe Bryant under the bus..well that's pretty baseless as well.

[hpantazo]

I thought it was a good sign for both of them that Sullinger is seeing a counselor and they are trying to work on their relationship. Instead we get a thread on baseless claims of Stockholm syndrome and battered woman's syndrome. Baseless generalizations applied to one incident where we don't know most of he story.

Of course , violence against women is a horrible a t that should be punished. But, a disagreement between lovers where one tries to keep the other from walking out is a different story. Pinning her down to keep her there is wrong, but he didn't beat her like most domestic abuse situations (like Jason Kidd supposedly did to his wife), and she is asking to lift the restraint order herself, so we should be careful to throw out accusations on Sullinger without knowing he story.

[slamtheking]

We dont know that Sullinger is guilty yet but we have reports that he pinned his girlfriend to the bed, marking her chest, destroyed her phone while she was calling for help, and that he intimidated a witness. 

not to pile on but having a police report doesn't mean it actually happened.  It might have happened as she described, it might not have.

I have in-laws that went through something a domestic issue.  A daughter got in an argument with her father and got so p---ed off at him that she called the police and told them he abused her and her child.  Cops came, arrested the father, took him to the station where he was held overnight, and guess what -- there was a police report.  A police report with false allegations.

Daughter admitted it never happened (well after the fact) to the rest of the family and that she did it just to teach her father a lesson.  I'm not sure if the accusation or charges were ever officially recanted but this false accusation hung over the father's head for well over a year where he couldn't be in the presense of his daughter or grandchild without supervision. 

I'm not saying this instance is a false allegation by any means but if this arose from accusations of infidelity, I would not automatically assume the accuser is being 100% forthcoming or unbiased with all the information. 

[celticdog]

Stockholm syndrome.

Not really that refers specifically to hostages/prisoners bonding with the captors.

Anyways best not to arm-chair diagnose when we have only the barest details of a single incident.

Many abused women stay with their abusers for years. 

I'd like to add that she may suffer from battered woman syndrome and some kind of codependency.

She may.  Or, she may be a perfectly rationally minded, forgiving woman who realizes that good people can make bad decisions.  Or, she may be a gold digger.  Or, she may suffer from mental health issues that make her prone to exaggeration and histrionics.

We have absolutely no idea.

Well Roy if we are talking about rationality and statistics we know that most abusive men do not change and that past actions are often the best predictor of future behavior.

"Most" doesn't mean "always", though, does it?  You can't take one incident where somebody was allegedly pinned to the bed during an argument and extrapolate it to a situation of long-term, chronic abuse.

There's nothing at all to suggest that this woman has battered woman's syndrome, just like there's nothing to suggest that Sullinger is innocent (well, other than the Constitution).

I guess she threw herself on the bed marking her chest and forced Sullinger to intimidate a witness and also asked him to destroy her phone.

Lets be real.

I don't think 'he did it' or 'she threw herself on the bed marking her chest and forced sullinger to the rest of the thing you said' are really the only 2 options here.

You didn't even consider aliens. Or hypnotism. Rye contaminated with ergot? Could be anything, maybe its better to just withhold.

Aliens?  No I think I will respectfully share my opinion. Not sure why this is a laughing matter.  Anything to change the subject I guess.

You stated she had stockholm syndrom, then stated that Ms Smith may have battered woman's syndrome with some kind of codependency.

I chose humor to highlight that this kind of speculation is ridiculous. We don't even know if Sullinger is guilty yet, and until that's been established, this kind of guess work is just unfounded.

We dont know that Sullinger is guilty yet but we have reports that he pinned his girlfriend to the bed, marking her chest, destroyed her phone while she was calling for help, and that he intimidated a witness. 

I suggest that its a bad sign that the woman is returning to him because most abusers do not change.  We also know that many women who return to abusive relationships do so even when it is against their best interests.  Most women who stay in abusive relationships do so due to complicated psychological and social reasons, sometimes battered woman syndrome etc. 

This is absolutely not ridiculous.  I believe it is common sense. I think if you know anyone who works with battered women you will find the same.   

I find it remarkable that you do not reckon with the content of police reports but are more than eager to make jokes about aliens and disparage my opinion as ridiculous. 

Somehow if the man in question was Kobe Bryant and not a man in a green jersey you would put the references to space aliens aside and deal with the matter more directly.

Funnily enough, my wife works for a women's shelter. I'm extremely well versed in the serial nature of domestic abuse and frequency with which it reoccurs. I've been to presentations, I've read papers, I've heard first-hand recounts about the slow road to hell women who are trapped in these situations end up walking, and I'm extremely weary for people who make generalizations about domestic violence as a result.

And throwing out 'stockholm syndrome' and 'battered women's syndrome' when so little is known, when the couple is attempting a reconciliation, seems pretty baseless in my opinion.

And speculation that I'd throw Kobe Bryant under the bus..well that's pretty baseless as well.

Finally a post that made me laugh.

[billysan]

All the back and forth in this thread has been entertaining. On a more serious note, if he is convicted in court at some point then what will be the Celtics organization reaction and will the NBA impose any punishment in the form of suspension? This is like waiting for the other shoe to drop. When will Sullinger get this behind him? Could last as a looming legal issue for the whole season couldnt it?

[Moranis]

Stockholm syndrome.

Not really that refers specifically to hostages/prisoners bonding with the captors.

Anyways best not to arm-chair diagnose when we have only the barest details of a single incident.

Many abused women stay with their abusers for years. 

I'd like to add that she may suffer from battered woman syndrome and some kind of codependency.

She may.  Or, she may be a perfectly rationally minded, forgiving woman who realizes that good people can make bad decisions.  Or, she may be a gold digger.  Or, she may suffer from mental health issues that make her prone to exaggeration and histrionics.

We have absolutely no idea.

Well Roy if we are talking about rationality and statistics we know that most abusive men do not change and that past actions are often the best predictor of future behavior.

"Most" doesn't mean "always", though, does it?  You can't take one incident where somebody was allegedly pinned to the bed during an argument and extrapolate it to a situation of long-term, chronic abuse.

There's nothing at all to suggest that this woman has battered woman's syndrome, just like there's nothing to suggest that Sullinger is innocent (well, other than the Constitution).

I guess she threw herself on the bed marking her chest and forced Sullinger to intimidate a witness and also asked him to destroy her phone.

Lets be real.

maybe she was hitting him and he was restraining her till she calmed down.  Unless you were there you just don't know what happened, yet you are perfectly willing to speculate and cast dispersions.

[fitzhickey]

We dont know that Sullinger is guilty yet but we have reports that he pinned his girlfriend to the bed, marking her chest, destroyed her phone while she was calling for help, and that he intimidated a witness. 

not to pile on but having a police report doesn't mean it actually happened.  It might have happened as she described, it might not have.

I have in-laws that went through something a domestic issue.  A daughter got in an argument with her father and got so p---ed off at him that she called the police and told them he abused her and her child.  Cops came, arrested the father, took him to the station where he was held overnight, and guess what -- there was a police report.  A police report with false allegations.

Daughter admitted it never happened (well after the fact) to the rest of the family and that she did it just to teach her father a lesson.  I'm not sure if the accusation or charges were ever officially recanted but this false accusation hung over the father's head for well over a year where he couldn't be in the presense of his daughter or grandchild without supervision. 

I'm not saying this instance is a false allegation by any means but if this arose from accusations of infidelity, I would not automatically assume the accuser is being 100% forthcoming or unbiased with all the information.

those family dinners would be tense!!

[celticdog]

Stockholm syndrome.

Not really that refers specifically to hostages/prisoners bonding with the captors.

Anyways best not to arm-chair diagnose when we have only the barest details of a single incident.

Many abused women stay with their abusers for years. 

I'd like to add that she may suffer from battered woman syndrome and some kind of codependency.

She may.  Or, she may be a perfectly rationally minded, forgiving woman who realizes that good people can make bad decisions.  Or, she may be a gold digger.  Or, she may suffer from mental health issues that make her prone to exaggeration and histrionics.

We have absolutely no idea.

Well Roy if we are talking about rationality and statistics we know that most abusive men do not change and that past actions are often the best predictor of future behavior.

"Most" doesn't mean "always", though, does it?  You can't take one incident where somebody was allegedly pinned to the bed during an argument and extrapolate it to a situation of long-term, chronic abuse.

There's nothing at all to suggest that this woman has battered woman's syndrome, just like there's nothing to suggest that Sullinger is innocent (well, other than the Constitution).

I guess she threw herself on the bed marking her chest and forced Sullinger to intimidate a witness and also asked him to destroy her phone.

Lets be real.

maybe she was hitting him and he was restraining her till she calmed down.  Unless you were there you just don't know what happened, yet you are perfectly willing to speculate and cast dispersions.

So she made him do it? 

[D.o.s.]

Stockholm syndrome.

Not really that refers specifically to hostages/prisoners bonding with the captors.

Anyways best not to arm-chair diagnose when we have only the barest details of a single incident.

Many abused women stay with their abusers for years. 

I'd like to add that she may suffer from battered woman syndrome and some kind of codependency.

She may.  Or, she may be a perfectly rationally minded, forgiving woman who realizes that good people can make bad decisions.  Or, she may be a gold digger.  Or, she may suffer from mental health issues that make her prone to exaggeration and histrionics.

We have absolutely no idea.

Well Roy if we are talking about rationality and statistics we know that most abusive men do not change and that past actions are often the best predictor of future behavior.

"Most" doesn't mean "always", though, does it?  You can't take one incident where somebody was allegedly pinned to the bed during an argument and extrapolate it to a situation of long-term, chronic abuse.

There's nothing at all to suggest that this woman has battered woman's syndrome, just like there's nothing to suggest that Sullinger is innocent (well, other than the Constitution).

I guess she threw herself on the bed marking her chest and forced Sullinger to intimidate a witness and also asked him to destroy her phone.

Lets be real.

maybe she was hitting him and he was restraining her till she calmed down.  Unless you were there you just don't know what happened, yet you are perfectly willing to speculate and cast dispersions.

So she made him do it?

I'll take tangentially related leading question for $500, Alex.

[Roy H.]

maybe she was hitting him and he was restraining her till she calmed down.  Unless you were there you just don't know what happened, yet you are perfectly willing to speculate and cast dispersions.

So she made him do it?

What part of Moranis' "Unless you were there you just don't know what happened" are you confused about?

I mean this in the least offensive way possible, but you understand that your mentality is essentially the same mindset that led to lynch mobs back in the day, right? 

[celticdog]

maybe she was hitting him and he was restraining her till she calmed down.  Unless you were there you just don't know what happened, yet you are perfectly willing to speculate and cast dispersions.

So she made him do it?

What part of Moranis' "Unless you were there you just don't know what happened" are you confused about?

I mean this in the least offensive way possible, but you understand that your mentality is essentially the same mindset that led to lynch mobs back in the day, right?

So do you think she forced Sullinger to pin her to the bed or not?  This does not seem reasonable to me.

I will ignore the lynch mob comment.