Brooklyn Group Can Be Traded Now

[ddb]

These guys had little to no value when they were traded, and they haven't played a single game since then. I don't see how we'd suddenly be able to flip them for anything useful now.

I'm also going out on a limb and predicting that Humphries will end up having a lot less value than some people are anticipating. Even a contender wanting to pick him up would have to send back an inferior player on a similarly bad or worse contract, but there just aren't that many such players/teams. I think in general teams have gotten much smarter, and there aren't as many bad players on horrible contracts as there used to be. So, the value of expiring deals will naturally fall too.

ddb's idea about acquiring a good player by pairing Hump with other assets makes sense to me, but I don't see us pulling off a deal for anyone in the Love/Gasol/Aldridge tier. Guys like David Lee, Danny Granger, Javale McGee, DeAndre Jordan - maybe.

I might suppose we have enough picks available to sweeten almost any deal, if the contract weight is there in an expiring.

The idea of players like Aldridge and Granger being available is pretty wild.  a team with enough assets in a dream world could put together a nice Granger-Aldridge-Lee front line.

Lee would be a pretty great addition to our team at C.  Aldridge is an incredibly solid, talented, proven 1-2 option PF.

Could Wallace and sweetener net Granger, and Hump and sweetener land Lee?  Do we haven enough sugar?

i can pretty much guarantee you that Ainge isn't interested in David Lee

[Boris Badenov]

These guys had little to no value when they were traded, and they haven't played a single game since then. I don't see how we'd suddenly be able to flip them for anything useful now.

I'm also going out on a limb and predicting that Humphries will end up having a lot less value than some people are anticipating. Even a contender wanting to pick him up would have to send back an inferior player on a similarly bad or worse contract, but there just aren't that many such players/teams. I think in general teams have gotten much smarter, and there aren't as many bad players on horrible contracts as there used to be. So, the value of expiring deals will naturally fall too.

ddb's idea about acquiring a good player by pairing Hump with other assets makes sense to me, but I don't see us pulling off a deal for anyone in the Love/Gasol/Aldridge tier. Guys like David Lee, Danny Granger, Javale McGee, DeAndre Jordan - maybe.

I might suppose we have enough picks available to sweeten almost any deal, if the contract weight is there in an expiring.

The idea of players like Aldridge and Granger being available is pretty wild.  a team with enough assets in a dream world could put together a nice Granger-Aldridge-Lee front line.

Lee would be a pretty great addition to our team at C.  Aldridge is an incredibly solid, talented, proven 1-2 option PF.

Could Wallace and sweetener net Granger, and Hump and sweetener land Lee?  Do we haven enough sugar?

I thought the time to go after Granger was last year. Indy needed bench depth for the playoffs and Granger was not coming back. Might Indy have taken Bass and Lee (plus?) for him?

Now, Indy is still in "win now" mode. If they think Granger is coming back, I think he beats anything we can offer.

I can't see Portland moving Aldridge.

Lee seems attainable to me - but do we want him? I don't see him and Rondo as a championship-level duo, at all.

[bucknersrevenge]

I'll start with Hump.  I don't think he's moved until the deadline if at all. 

IMO, Danny will be closely monitoring 3 teams.  Memphis, Minny and Portland.  If any of those teams under perform and drops out of the playoff picture (which could easily happen)then suddenly guys like Love, Gasol and Aldridge could become available via a blockbuster deadline deal. Their team will quickly change gears and aim for the 2014 lottery.  best way for them to do that is to dump their star, collect assets and expirings. Hump is the main piece that will be going the other way as an expiring contract and salary filler. 

So you can count on Hump staying put for a bit. 

Wallace is a wild card.  I think Ainge has every intention of flipping him now or in the future in exchange for an expiring contract.  If he can get a pick back too??? wow.  he'd do it in a heartbeat.  The problem will Wallace is the 3 years and 30 million left on his deal.  he'll be tough to move.

Bogans is another guy who is here until at least Dec 15th.  After that he could be used in a trade and/or come off the books at seasons end because there's now way Ainge picks up his option. 

Brooks is probably the ONLY guy from the Nets deal that could end up in a Celtics uniform long-term.  This year is his tryout.  he'll get a chance in Boston.  If he plays well he could end up earning quality minutes and being a part of the foundation.  If he stinks then he's gone too. 

Other guys that could be moved.  Bass, Lee, Bradley (yup I said it) and MAYBE Rondo.  Although I don't see any point in trading him right now.  He has 2 years left on his deal.  Danny can see how things play out.  shouldn't rush into anything with an All-Star PG who's only 27

Boom.

[bucknersrevenge]

These guys had little to no value when they were traded, and they haven't played a single game since then. I don't see how we'd suddenly be able to flip them for anything useful now.

I'm also going out on a limb and predicting that Humphries will end up having a lot less value than some people are anticipating. Even a contender wanting to pick him up would have to send back an inferior player on a similarly bad or worse contract, but there just aren't that many such players/teams. I think in general teams have gotten much smarter, and there aren't as many bad players on horrible contracts as there used to be. So, the value of expiring deals will naturally fall too.

ddb's idea about acquiring a good player by pairing Hump with other assets makes sense to me, but I don't see us pulling off a deal for anyone in the Love/Gasol/Aldridge tier. Guys like David Lee, Danny Granger, Javale McGee, DeAndre Jordan - maybe.

I might suppose we have enough picks available to sweeten almost any deal, if the contract weight is there in an expiring.

The idea of players like Aldridge and Granger being available is pretty wild.  a team with enough assets in a dream world could put together a nice Granger-Aldridge-Lee front line.

Lee would be a pretty great addition to our team at C.  Aldridge is an incredibly solid, talented, proven 1-2 option PF.

Could Wallace and sweetener net Granger, and Hump and sweetener land Lee?  Do we haven enough sugar?

i can pretty much guarantee you that Ainge isn't interested in David Lee

Furthermore, why would GSW even trade him? They are a playoff team looking to go deeper into the playoffs. They're not looking to shed payroll. They consider Lee a part of that group. Same reason I don't see Denver parting with McGee(not that we should even want him) or LA parting with their starting Center(unless he flops...in which case we shouldn't want him either).

The Love/Aldridge ideas are based on the same concept that got us KG. Danny capitalizing on a team's need to start over because they couldn't get their group over the top. And/or their star may leave and they don't want to be left with nothing to show for it.

[LooseCannon]

Except for Bogans who can't be until Dec. 15th b/c of sign and trade

I think you're source is wrong and it is actually January 15 for Bogans.

its december 15th

If Larry Coon's CBA FAQ is to be believed, a player who is signed and traded can't be traded by his new team until January 15 if he was signed using Bird or early Bird rights to a new contract with a raise greater than 20%, and his old team would be over the cap (after the signing part but before the trading part of the sign-and-trade).

[LarBrd33]

All the early Rondo buzz suggested that we'd look to dump bad contracts like Wallace in any potential trade.  I wonder if we'll start to see some Rondo rumors heat up now.

I can see the pros and cons on both sides for trading Rondo now or waiting.  SOme would suggest his trade value will improve once he proves he's healthy.  Others would suggest his trade value will tank if he underperforms on a lotto team.

A case could be made that trading him ASAP when the offer is right would be the best move.  He'll probably miss half this season.  When he returns, he'll be trying to lead a bottom-feeder talentless lotto squad and probably playing less than 100% as he continues to recover from the ACL.  Then the season after is the final of his contract... at that point he might be demanding a trade or planning on fleeing in free agency.  We might be scrambling to take whatever we can get before that happens... and there aren't going to be a lot of teams who are interested in a 1 year rental of Rajon Rondo.   There's something to be said for trading him before that mess happens.  It's what the Jazz did with Deron WIlliams.

So what I'm saying is... if some team like Detroit offers up expiring contracts (Stuckey/Charlie V) + young assets/picks for Rondo...and is willing to take on the bad contracts of guys like Gerald Wallace, Lee and Bass.. you might want to do that now.

Not that I disagree with you, but your hard on for that Detroit trade is hilarious. Is there any other hypothetical in your bag?

Nope.  The only other team that wanted Rondo was Dallas and they signed Calderon and Ellis already.

[Celtics18]

All the early Rondo buzz suggested that we'd look to dump bad contracts like Wallace in any potential trade.  I wonder if we'll start to see some Rondo rumors heat up now.

I can see the pros and cons on both sides for trading Rondo now or waiting.  SOme would suggest his trade value will improve once he proves he's healthy.  Others would suggest his trade value will tank if he underperforms on a lotto team.

A case could be made that trading him ASAP when the offer is right would be the best move.  He'll probably miss half this season.  When he returns, he'll be trying to lead a bottom-feeder talentless lotto squad and probably playing less than 100% as he continues to recover from the ACL.  Then the season after is the final of his contract... at that point he might be demanding a trade or planning on fleeing in free agency.  We might be scrambling to take whatever we can get before that happens... and there aren't going to be a lot of teams who are interested in a 1 year rental of Rajon Rondo.   There's something to be said for trading him before that mess happens.  It's what the Jazz did with Deron WIlliams.

So what I'm saying is... if some team like Detroit offers up expiring contracts (Stuckey/Charlie V) + young assets/picks for Rondo...and is willing to take on the bad contracts of guys like Gerald Wallace, Lee and Bass.. you might want to do that now.

Not that I disagree with you, but your hard on for that Detroit trade is hilarious. Is there any other hypothetical in your bag?

Nope.  The only other team that wanted Rondo was Dallas and they signed Calderon and Ellis already.

I've got to say that I like ddb's idea of trading away our expiring contract, picks, and assets for a star player better than your idea of trading away our star for expiring contracts, assets, and picks. 

[D.o.s.]

These guys had little to no value when they were traded, and they haven't played a single game since then. I don't see how we'd suddenly be able to flip them for anything useful now.

I'm also going out on a limb and predicting that Humphries will end up having a lot less value than some people are anticipating. Even a contender wanting to pick him up would have to send back an inferior player on a similarly bad or worse contract, but there just aren't that many such players/teams. I think in general teams have gotten much smarter, and there aren't as many bad players on horrible contracts as there used to be. So, the value of expiring deals will naturally fall too.

ddb's idea about acquiring a good player by pairing Hump with other assets makes sense to me, but I don't see us pulling off a deal for anyone in the Love/Gasol/Aldridge tier. Guys like David Lee, Danny Granger, Javale McGee, DeAndre Jordan - maybe.

I might suppose we have enough picks available to sweeten almost any deal, if the contract weight is there in an expiring.

The idea of players like Aldridge and Granger being available is pretty wild.  a team with enough assets in a dream world could put together a nice Granger-Aldridge-Lee front line.

Lee would be a pretty great addition to our team at C.  Aldridge is an incredibly solid, talented, proven 1-2 option PF.

Could Wallace and sweetener net Granger, and Hump and sweetener land Lee?  Do we haven enough sugar?

i can pretty much guarantee you that Ainge isn't interested in David Lee

Furthermore, why would GSW even trade him? They are a playoff team looking to go deeper into the playoffs. They're not looking to shed payroll. They consider Lee a part of that group. Same reason I don't see Denver parting with McGee(not that we should even want him) or LA parting with their starting Center(unless he flops...in which case we shouldn't want him either).

The Love/Aldridge ideas are based on the same concept that got us KG. Danny capitalizing on a team's need to start over because they couldn't get their group over the top. And/or their star may leave and they don't want to be left with nothing to show for it.

After their success with their small ball lineup with Harrison Barnes at the 4, I'm pretty sure David Lee is expendable.

Also, there's data out there that says that Lee hurts his team when he's on the floor despite the fact that he's a 20-10 guy.

[D.o.s.]

I'll start with Hump.  I don't think he's moved until the deadline if at all. 

IMO, Danny will be closely monitoring 3 teams.  Memphis, Minny and Portland.  If any of those teams under perform and drops out of the playoff picture (which could easily happen)then suddenly guys like Love, Gasol and Aldridge could become available via a blockbuster deadline deal. Their team will quickly change gears and aim for the 2014 lottery.  best way for them to do that is to dump their star, collect assets and expirings. Hump is the main piece that will be going the other way as an expiring contract and salary filler. 

So you can count on Hump staying put for a bit. 

Wallace is a wild card.  I think Ainge has every intention of flipping him now or in the future in exchange for an expiring contract.  If he can get a pick back too??? wow.  he'd do it in a heartbeat.  The problem will Wallace is the 3 years and 30 million left on his deal.  he'll be tough to move.

Bogans is another guy who is here until at least Dec 15th.  After that he could be used in a trade and/or come off the books at seasons end because there's now way Ainge picks up his option. 

Brooks is probably the ONLY guy from the Nets deal that could end up in a Celtics uniform long-term.  This year is his tryout.  he'll get a chance in Boston.  If he plays well he could end up earning quality minutes and being a part of the foundation.  If he stinks then he's gone too. 

Other guys that could be moved.  Bass, Lee, Bradley (yup I said it) and MAYBE Rondo.  Although I don't see any point in trading him right now.  He has 2 years left on his deal.  Danny can see how things play out.  shouldn't rush into anything with an All-Star PG who's only 27

You could use the same logic on trading Rondo, since he's effectively got one year left on his deal owing to the recovery rust that is sure to show up once he makes his way back to the floor.

[bucknersrevenge]

These guys had little to no value when they were traded, and they haven't played a single game since then. I don't see how we'd suddenly be able to flip them for anything useful now.

I'm also going out on a limb and predicting that Humphries will end up having a lot less value than some people are anticipating. Even a contender wanting to pick him up would have to send back an inferior player on a similarly bad or worse contract, but there just aren't that many such players/teams. I think in general teams have gotten much smarter, and there aren't as many bad players on horrible contracts as there used to be. So, the value of expiring deals will naturally fall too.

ddb's idea about acquiring a good player by pairing Hump with other assets makes sense to me, but I don't see us pulling off a deal for anyone in the Love/Gasol/Aldridge tier. Guys like David Lee, Danny Granger, Javale McGee, DeAndre Jordan - maybe.

I might suppose we have enough picks available to sweeten almost any deal, if the contract weight is there in an expiring.

The idea of players like Aldridge and Granger being available is pretty wild.  a team with enough assets in a dream world could put together a nice Granger-Aldridge-Lee front line.

Lee would be a pretty great addition to our team at C.  Aldridge is an incredibly solid, talented, proven 1-2 option PF.

Could Wallace and sweetener net Granger, and Hump and sweetener land Lee?  Do we haven enough sugar?

i can pretty much guarantee you that Ainge isn't interested in David Lee

Furthermore, why would GSW even trade him? They are a playoff team looking to go deeper into the playoffs. They're not looking to shed payroll. They consider Lee a part of that group. Same reason I don't see Denver parting with McGee(not that we should even want him) or LA parting with their starting Center(unless he flops...in which case we shouldn't want him either).

The Love/Aldridge ideas are based on the same concept that got us KG. Danny capitalizing on a team's need to start over because they couldn't get their group over the top. And/or their star may leave and they don't want to be left with nothing to show for it.

After their success with their small ball lineup with Harrison Barnes at the 4, I'm pretty sure David Lee is expendable.

Also, there's data out there that says that Lee hurts his team when he's on the floor despite the fact that he's a 20-10 guy.

Harrison Barnes at the 4? In the playoffs? Against Serge Ibaka, Blake Griffin, and Tim Duncan? That's really what you're going with? I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

[moiso]

These guys had little to no value when they were traded, and they haven't played a single game since then. I don't see how we'd suddenly be able to flip them for anything useful now.

I'm also going out on a limb and predicting that Humphries will end up having a lot less value than some people are anticipating. Even a contender wanting to pick him up would have to send back an inferior player on a similarly bad or worse contract, but there just aren't that many such players/teams. I think in general teams have gotten much smarter, and there aren't as many bad players on horrible contracts as there used to be. So, the value of expiring deals will naturally fall too.

ddb's idea about acquiring a good player by pairing Hump with other assets makes sense to me, but I don't see us pulling off a deal for anyone in the Love/Gasol/Aldridge tier. Guys like David Lee, Danny Granger, Javale McGee, DeAndre Jordan - maybe.

I might suppose we have enough picks available to sweeten almost any deal, if the contract weight is there in an expiring.

The idea of players like Aldridge and Granger being available is pretty wild.  a team with enough assets in a dream world could put together a nice Granger-Aldridge-Lee front line.

Lee would be a pretty great addition to our team at C.  Aldridge is an incredibly solid, talented, proven 1-2 option PF.

Could Wallace and sweetener net Granger, and Hump and sweetener land Lee?  Do we haven enough sugar?

i can pretty much guarantee you that Ainge isn't interested in David Lee

Furthermore, why would GSW even trade him? They are a playoff team looking to go deeper into the playoffs. They're not looking to shed payroll. They consider Lee a part of that group. Same reason I don't see Denver parting with McGee(not that we should even want him) or LA parting with their starting Center(unless he flops...in which case we shouldn't want him either).

The Love/Aldridge ideas are based on the same concept that got us KG. Danny capitalizing on a team's need to start over because they couldn't get their group over the top. And/or their star may leave and they don't want to be left with nothing to show for it.

After their success with their small ball lineup with Harrison Barnes at the 4, I'm pretty sure David Lee is expendable.

Also, there's data out there that says that Lee hurts his team when he's on the floor despite the fact that he's a 20-10 guy.

Lee is expendable and the team is better when he's not playing.  But Barnes isn't the answer.  Lee could be traded for another 4.  Carl Landry was capable but now he's gone.

[D.o.s.]

These guys had little to no value when they were traded, and they haven't played a single game since then. I don't see how we'd suddenly be able to flip them for anything useful now.

I'm also going out on a limb and predicting that Humphries will end up having a lot less value than some people are anticipating. Even a contender wanting to pick him up would have to send back an inferior player on a similarly bad or worse contract, but there just aren't that many such players/teams. I think in general teams have gotten much smarter, and there aren't as many bad players on horrible contracts as there used to be. So, the value of expiring deals will naturally fall too.

ddb's idea about acquiring a good player by pairing Hump with other assets makes sense to me, but I don't see us pulling off a deal for anyone in the Love/Gasol/Aldridge tier. Guys like David Lee, Danny Granger, Javale McGee, DeAndre Jordan - maybe.

I might suppose we have enough picks available to sweeten almost any deal, if the contract weight is there in an expiring.

The idea of players like Aldridge and Granger being available is pretty wild.  a team with enough assets in a dream world could put together a nice Granger-Aldridge-Lee front line.

Lee would be a pretty great addition to our team at C.  Aldridge is an incredibly solid, talented, proven 1-2 option PF.

Could Wallace and sweetener net Granger, and Hump and sweetener land Lee?  Do we haven enough sugar?

i can pretty much guarantee you that Ainge isn't interested in David Lee

Furthermore, why would GSW even trade him? They are a playoff team looking to go deeper into the playoffs. They're not looking to shed payroll. They consider Lee a part of that group. Same reason I don't see Denver parting with McGee(not that we should even want him) or LA parting with their starting Center(unless he flops...in which case we shouldn't want him either).

The Love/Aldridge ideas are based on the same concept that got us KG. Danny capitalizing on a team's need to start over because they couldn't get their group over the top. And/or their star may leave and they don't want to be left with nothing to show for it.

After their success with their small ball lineup with Harrison Barnes at the 4, I'm pretty sure David Lee is expendable.

Also, there's data out there that says that Lee hurts his team when he's on the floor despite the fact that he's a 20-10 guy.

Harrison Barnes at the 4? In the playoffs? Against Serge Ibaka, Blake Griffin, and Tim Duncan? That's really what you're going with? I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

Harrison Barnes played 38 minutes per game in the playoffs.


In the playoffs, Golden State's most used lineup (the lineup that saw the most minutes together) was Steph Curry, Jarrett Jack, Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, and Andrew Bogut.

http://stats.nba.com/leagueLineups.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25&SeasonType=Playoffs&sortField=MIN&sortOrder=DES&MeasureType=Advanced

So, yes, according to the facts, the Golden State Warriors get down with Harrison Barnes at the four, in the playoffs.

I believe this is the part where I say "scoreboard."



(Also, Tim Duncan's secretly been a center for the last decade or so)