Brooklyn Group Can Be Traded Now

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

http://redsarmy.com/2013/09/12/your-morning-dump-where-danny-ainge-can-now-trade-kris-humphries-and-gerald-wallace/

Except for Bogans who can't be until Dec. 15th b/c of sign and trade


Who stays and who goes?


I say keep them until midway, at least.

[manl_lui]

I agree! I at least want to see how the Brooklyn rejects perform before we trade them, even if it means getting their trade value up (ie Gerald Wallace - I think this is his redeem year)

[Interceptor]

They all stay unless and until Ainge gets a good offer for them, which he won't. Too many people trying to blow things up.

These are our guys, and imma talk myself into enjoying watchign them play.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

They all stay unless and until Ainge gets a good offer for them, which he won't. Too many people trying to blow things up.

These are our guys, and imma talk myself into enjoying watchign them play.

I won't need to talk myself into it but they are our guys... for now. I think I'm the only one (one of few) who thinks we would keep Hump and sign him for less for next season. He works hard and hopefully he will play well b/c of contract year. I think Wallace is harder to move. I don't think we move him but if we do, I won't be broken up about it... rumor is he is unhappy here anyway. Brooke's a keeper! I think he is going to be really good in a few seasons if he can defend better (if he can get enough minutes). Bogans, expiring leader. W/e DA does, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt unless its for my main faves.

[CelticG1]

I think Wallace is gonna be one of those fall off the face of the earth guys.

Kind of like a Rashard Lewis. Goes from very valuable to almost worthless in the span of a couple seasons

[Celtics18]

I think Wallace is gonna be one of those fall off the face of the earth guys.

Kind of like a Rashard Lewis. Goes from very valuable to almost worthless in the span of a couple seasons

That could happen, but it's kind of a strange comparison as their games are almost complete polar opposites. 

[pearljammer10]

I think Wallace is gonna be one of those fall off the face of the earth guys.

Kind of like a Rashard Lewis. Goes from very valuable to almost worthless in the span of a couple seasons

 I dont see that happening. I dont think he is ever going to be a double double animal again but theres no reason why he cant continue to be a good lock down defender for the C's.

I dont see any situation in which Humphries makes it past the trade deadline. His contract has to have value and should be able to bring in some sort of package to help us better towards the future.

[mainevent]

I think Wallace is gonna be one of those fall off the face of the earth guys.

Kind of like a Rashard Lewis. Goes from very valuable to almost worthless in the span of a couple seasons

That could happen, but it's kind of a strange comparison as their games are almost complete polar opposites.

Dont think he meant in terms of style play or type of player.  I'm certain he meant big contract valuable player pegged for superstardom that just failed miserably after getting the big contract.

[LarBrd33]

All the early Rondo buzz suggested that we'd look to dump bad contracts like Wallace in any potential trade.  I wonder if we'll start to see some Rondo rumors heat up now.

I can see the pros and cons on both sides for trading Rondo now or waiting.  SOme would suggest his trade value will improve once he proves he's healthy.  Others would suggest his trade value will tank if he underperforms on a lotto team.

A case could be made that trading him ASAP when the offer is right would be the best move.  He'll probably miss half this season.  When he returns, he'll be trying to lead a bottom-feeder talentless lotto squad and probably playing less than 100% as he continues to recover from the ACL.  Then the season after is the final of his contract... at that point he might be demanding a trade or planning on fleeing in free agency.  We might be scrambling to take whatever we can get before that happens... and there aren't going to be a lot of teams who are interested in a 1 year rental of Rajon Rondo.   There's something to be said for trading him before that mess happens.  It's what the Jazz did with Deron WIlliams.

So what I'm saying is... if some team like Detroit offers up expiring contracts (Stuckey/Charlie V) + young assets/picks for Rondo...and is willing to take on the bad contracts of guys like Gerald Wallace, Lee and Bass.. you might want to do that now. 

[D.o.s.]

All the early Rondo buzz suggested that we'd look to dump bad contracts like Wallace in any potential trade.  I wonder if we'll start to see some Rondo rumors heat up now.

I can see the pros and cons on both sides for trading Rondo now or waiting.  SOme would suggest his trade value will improve once he proves he's healthy.  Others would suggest his trade value will tank if he underperforms on a lotto team.

A case could be made that trading him ASAP when the offer is right would be the best move.  He'll probably miss half this season.  When he returns, he'll be trying to lead a bottom-feeder talentless lotto squad and probably playing less than 100% as he continues to recover from the ACL.  Then the season after is the final of his contract... at that point he might be demanding a trade or planning on fleeing in free agency.  We might be scrambling to take whatever we can get before that happens... and there aren't going to be a lot of teams who are interested in a 1 year rental of Rajon Rondo.   There's something to be said for trading him before that mess happens.  It's what the Jazz did with Deron WIlliams.

So what I'm saying is... if some team like Detroit offers up expiring contracts (Stuckey/Charlie V) + young assets/picks for Rondo...and is willing to take on the bad contracts of guys like Gerald Wallace, Lee and Bass.. you might want to do that now.

Not that I disagree with you, but your hard on for that Detroit trade is hilarious. Is there any other hypothetical in your bag?

[ddb]

I'll start with Hump.  I don't think he's moved until the deadline if at all. 

IMO, Danny will be closely monitoring 3 teams.  Memphis, Minny and Portland.  If any of those teams under perform and drops out of the playoff picture (which could easily happen)then suddenly guys like Love, Gasol and Aldridge could become available via a blockbuster deadline deal. Their team will quickly change gears and aim for the 2014 lottery.  best way for them to do that is to dump their star, collect assets and expirings. Hump is the main piece that will be going the other way as an expiring contract and salary filler. 

So you can count on Hump staying put for a bit. 

Wallace is a wild card.  I think Ainge has every intention of flipping him now or in the future in exchange for an expiring contract.  If he can get a pick back too??? wow.  he'd do it in a heartbeat.  The problem will Wallace is the 3 years and 30 million left on his deal.  he'll be tough to move.

Bogans is another guy who is here until at least Dec 15th.  After that he could be used in a trade and/or come off the books at seasons end because there's now way Ainge picks up his option. 

Brooks is probably the ONLY guy from the Nets deal that could end up in a Celtics uniform long-term.  This year is his tryout.  he'll get a chance in Boston.  If he plays well he could end up earning quality minutes and being a part of the foundation.  If he stinks then he's gone too. 

Other guys that could be moved.  Bass, Lee, Bradley (yup I said it) and MAYBE Rondo.  Although I don't see any point in trading him right now.  He has 2 years left on his deal.  Danny can see how things play out.  shouldn't rush into anything with an All-Star PG who's only 27

[LooseCannon]

Except for Bogans who can't be until Dec. 15th b/c of sign and trade

I think you're source is wrong and it is actually January 15 for Bogans.

[Boris Badenov]

These guys had little to no value when they were traded, and they haven't played a single game since then. I don't see how we'd suddenly be able to flip them for anything useful now.

I'm also going out on a limb and predicting that Humphries will end up having a lot less value than some people are anticipating. Even a contender wanting to pick him up would have to send back an inferior player on a similarly bad or worse contract, but there just aren't that many such players/teams. I think in general teams have gotten much smarter, and there aren't as many bad players on horrible contracts as there used to be. So, the value of expiring deals will naturally fall too.

ddb's idea about acquiring a good player by pairing Hump with other assets makes sense to me, but I don't see us pulling off a deal for anyone in the Love/Gasol/Aldridge tier. Guys like David Lee, Danny Granger, Javale McGee, DeAndre Jordan - maybe.

[More Banners]

These guys had little to no value when they were traded, and they haven't played a single game since then. I don't see how we'd suddenly be able to flip them for anything useful now.

I'm also going out on a limb and predicting that Humphries will end up having a lot less value than some people are anticipating. Even a contender wanting to pick him up would have to send back an inferior player on a similarly bad or worse contract, but there just aren't that many such players/teams. I think in general teams have gotten much smarter, and there aren't as many bad players on horrible contracts as there used to be. So, the value of expiring deals will naturally fall too.

ddb's idea about acquiring a good player by pairing Hump with other assets makes sense to me, but I don't see us pulling off a deal for anyone in the Love/Gasol/Aldridge tier. Guys like David Lee, Danny Granger, Javale McGee, DeAndre Jordan - maybe.

I might suppose we have enough picks available to sweeten almost any deal, if the contract weight is there in an expiring.

The idea of players like Aldridge and Granger being available is pretty wild.  a team with enough assets in a dream world could put together a nice Granger-Aldridge-Lee front line.

Lee would be a pretty great addition to our team at C.  Aldridge is an incredibly solid, talented, proven 1-2 option PF.

Could Wallace and sweetener net Granger, and Hump and sweetener land Lee?  Do we haven enough sugar?

[ddb]

Except for Bogans who can't be until Dec. 15th b/c of sign and trade

I think you're source is wrong and it is actually January 15 for Bogans.

its december 15th