Do you expect rumors to pick up September 12th?

[manl_lui]

There was a lot of buzz after the KG/Pierce trade that suggested Boston would look to trade Rondo next.  There also was a lot of buzz that suggested Boston was unlikely to hang onto Gerald Wallace and Kris Humphries. 

Folks like Bill Simmons took to twitter:

Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 29 Jun

FYI: Celts aren't moving Rondo unless they can dump multiple contracts in the trade. They want to fully bottom out while creating cap space.

Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 29 Jun

I'm intrigued by these Mavs-Celts rumors. Would Dallas take on the Wallace/Lee/Bass contracts with Rondo for Larkin + Marion/VC expirings?

Just an FYI that Kris Humphries can't be packaged in deals until September 2nd.  Gerald Wallace can't be packed in deals until September 12th. 

Seems to me, rumors could heat up in a couple weeks once a deal is actually possible.  For example... Pistons apparently want Rondo.

I'd gladly do this:

Rondo - 2 years 11 mil
Wallace - 3 years 10 mil

for

Charlie V - 8 mil expiring
Stuckey - 8 mil expiring
Drummond 3 years 2.4 mil

... Dump some bad money and get a young prospect for Rondo.  Of course, Detroit is very unlikely to give up Drummond for Rondo, but it's something to think about... those trades aren't even possible until September 12th.

I am not convinced that Det would trade Drummond for Rondo straight up, nevermind also taking on a bad contract in exchange for an expiring one.

I would ask both sides of the fanbase/team

For Celtics/C fans, if salary wasn't a problem, would YOU swap Drummond and Rondo straight up? Most people will say no, some people will say yes

For Pistons/Piston Fans, would you do it? Most likely no

Pistons future looks pretty good right now with Jennings, Josh Smith, Greg Monroe, Drummond. Not sure if they are playoff bound but pretty sure if they add in a role player or two, they could be easily be in the playoffs.

[Moranis]

There was a lot of buzz after the KG/Pierce trade that suggested Boston would look to trade Rondo next.  There also was a lot of buzz that suggested Boston was unlikely to hang onto Gerald Wallace and Kris Humphries. 

Folks like Bill Simmons took to twitter:

Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 29 Jun

FYI: Celts aren't moving Rondo unless they can dump multiple contracts in the trade. They want to fully bottom out while creating cap space.

Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 29 Jun

I'm intrigued by these Mavs-Celts rumors. Would Dallas take on the Wallace/Lee/Bass contracts with Rondo for Larkin + Marion/VC expirings?

Just an FYI that Kris Humphries can't be packaged in deals until September 2nd.  Gerald Wallace can't be packed in deals until September 12th. 

Seems to me, rumors could heat up in a couple weeks once a deal is actually possible.  For example... Pistons apparently want Rondo.

I'd gladly do this:

Rondo - 2 years 11 mil
Wallace - 3 years 10 mil

for

Charlie V - 8 mil expiring
Stuckey - 8 mil expiring
Drummond 3 years 2.4 mil

... Dump some bad money and get a young prospect for Rondo.  Of course, Detroit is very unlikely to give up Drummond for Rondo, but it's something to think about... those trades aren't even possible until September 12th.

I am not convinced that Det would trade Drummond for Rondo straight up, nevermind also taking on a bad contract in exchange for an expiring one.

I would ask both sides of the fanbase/team

For Celtics/C fans, if salary wasn't a problem, would YOU swap Drummond and Rondo straight up? Most people will say no, some people will say yes

For Pistons/Piston Fans, would you do it? Most likely no

Pistons future looks pretty good right now with Jennings, Josh Smith, Greg Monroe, Drummond. Not sure if they are playoff bound but pretty sure if they add in a role player or two, they could be easily be in the playoffs.

No way Detroit moves Drummond for Rondo, but I wonder if they might be more inclined if Boston also added Sullinger. 

I think this might fly for both teams
Rondo, Sullinger, Wallace, Lee

for

Drummond, Stuckey, Villanueva, Jerebko

Boston gets a stud young big (he is better than Sully) and shaves a ton of long term cash off the books.  Detroit gets the best player in the trade and a decent young PF prospect to replace Drummond.

[Celtics18]

There was a lot of buzz after the KG/Pierce trade that suggested Boston would look to trade Rondo next.  There also was a lot of buzz that suggested Boston was unlikely to hang onto Gerald Wallace and Kris Humphries. 

Folks like Bill Simmons took to twitter:

Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 29 Jun

FYI: Celts aren't moving Rondo unless they can dump multiple contracts in the trade. They want to fully bottom out while creating cap space.

Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 29 Jun

I'm intrigued by these Mavs-Celts rumors. Would Dallas take on the Wallace/Lee/Bass contracts with Rondo for Larkin + Marion/VC expirings?

Just an FYI that Kris Humphries can't be packaged in deals until September 2nd.  Gerald Wallace can't be packed in deals until September 12th. 

Seems to me, rumors could heat up in a couple weeks once a deal is actually possible.  For example... Pistons apparently want Rondo.

I'd gladly do this:

Rondo - 2 years 11 mil
Wallace - 3 years 10 mil

for

Charlie V - 8 mil expiring
Stuckey - 8 mil expiring
Drummond 3 years 2.4 mil

... Dump some bad money and get a young prospect for Rondo.  Of course, Detroit is very unlikely to give up Drummond for Rondo, but it's something to think about... those trades aren't even possible until September 12th.

I am not convinced that Det would trade Drummond for Rondo straight up, nevermind also taking on a bad contract in exchange for an expiring one.

I would ask both sides of the fanbase/team

For Celtics/C fans, if salary wasn't a problem, would YOU swap Drummond and Rondo straight up? Most people will say no, some people will say yes

For Pistons/Piston Fans, would you do it? Most likely no

Pistons future looks pretty good right now with Jennings, Josh Smith, Greg Monroe, Drummond. Not sure if they are playoff bound but pretty sure if they add in a role player or two, they could be easily be in the playoffs.

I say, no.  I'm going to use the "bird in the hand" philosophy on this one.  Drummond's surely got a lot of potential, but whether or not he reaches that potential is still a question mark. 

Although he's got some flaws, we already know that Rondo is a star level player.  Trading Rondo away for "potential" is simply too risky a move right now.  There's absolutely no reason for it. 

[slamtheking]

There was a lot of buzz after the KG/Pierce trade that suggested Boston would look to trade Rondo next.  There also was a lot of buzz that suggested Boston was unlikely to hang onto Gerald Wallace and Kris Humphries. 

Folks like Bill Simmons took to twitter:

Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 29 Jun

FYI: Celts aren't moving Rondo unless they can dump multiple contracts in the trade. They want to fully bottom out while creating cap space.

Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 29 Jun

I'm intrigued by these Mavs-Celts rumors. Would Dallas take on the Wallace/Lee/Bass contracts with Rondo for Larkin + Marion/VC expirings?

Just an FYI that Kris Humphries can't be packaged in deals until September 2nd.  Gerald Wallace can't be packed in deals until September 12th. 

Seems to me, rumors could heat up in a couple weeks once a deal is actually possible.  For example... Pistons apparently want Rondo.

I'd gladly do this:

Rondo - 2 years 11 mil
Wallace - 3 years 10 mil

for

Charlie V - 8 mil expiring
Stuckey - 8 mil expiring
Drummond 3 years 2.4 mil

... Dump some bad money and get a young prospect for Rondo.  Of course, Detroit is very unlikely to give up Drummond for Rondo, but it's something to think about... those trades aren't even possible until September 12th.

I am not convinced that Det would trade Drummond for Rondo straight up, nevermind also taking on a bad contract in exchange for an expiring one.

I would ask both sides of the fanbase/team

For Celtics/C fans, if salary wasn't a problem, would YOU swap Drummond and Rondo straight up? Most people will say no, some people will say yes

For Pistons/Piston Fans, would you do it? Most likely no

Pistons future looks pretty good right now with Jennings, Josh Smith, Greg Monroe, Drummond. Not sure if they are playoff bound but pretty sure if they add in a role player or two, they could be easily be in the playoffs.

No way Detroit moves Drummond for Rondo, but I wonder if they might be more inclined if Boston also added Sullinger. 

I think this might fly for both teams
Rondo, Sullinger, Wallace, Lee

for

Drummond, Stuckey, Villanueva, Jerebko

Boston gets a stud young big (he is better than Sully) and shaves a ton of long term cash off the books.  Detroit gets the best player in the trade and a decent young PF prospect to replace Drummond.

that's just a god awful idea.

give away a proven all-star that steps up his game in the playoffs and a young PF that can score and rebound for a center that has 'potential'?

let's look at it from just a straight talent exchange

Rondo is better than Drummond.  not even close.  scream potential all you want but it doesn't replace proven performance.

Sully is better than Stuckey  Sully rebounds and bangs down low which we need, Stuckey isn't a real ballhandler and a marginal shooter.  we have enough SGs

GW is better than Charlie V.  He's healthy and 1 season removed from being well worth his contract.  Charlie was never worth his at his best. 

Lee is better than Jerebko.  Lee was a bit disappointing with his shot last year but I'll take that as the aberratino not the norm.  Jerebko has been a disappointment for a couple of years now.  never really improved over his start.

As far as $ goes, we're not contending anytime in the next 2 years even optimistically.  There's no rush to clear GW's or Lee's deal off the books.  No young players on the roster that will cash in big where we have to clear cap space.  just on the odd chance AB has a breakout year, just let Hump, Brooks and Crawford all expire.

[chambers]

There was a lot of buzz after the KG/Pierce trade that suggested Boston would look to trade Rondo next.  There also was a lot of buzz that suggested Boston was unlikely to hang onto Gerald Wallace and Kris Humphries. 

Folks like Bill Simmons took to twitter:

Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 29 Jun

FYI: Celts aren't moving Rondo unless they can dump multiple contracts in the trade. They want to fully bottom out while creating cap space.

Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 29 Jun

I'm intrigued by these Mavs-Celts rumors. Would Dallas take on the Wallace/Lee/Bass contracts with Rondo for Larkin + Marion/VC expirings?

Just an FYI that Kris Humphries can't be packaged in deals until September 2nd.  Gerald Wallace can't be packed in deals until September 12th. 

Seems to me, rumors could heat up in a couple weeks once a deal is actually possible.  For example... Pistons apparently want Rondo.

I'd gladly do this:

Rondo - 2 years 11 mil
Wallace - 3 years 10 mil

for

Charlie V - 8 mil expiring
Stuckey - 8 mil expiring
Drummond 3 years 2.4 mil

... Dump some bad money and get a young prospect for Rondo.  Of course, Detroit is very unlikely to give up Drummond for Rondo, but it's something to think about... those trades aren't even possible until September 12th.

I am not convinced that Det would trade Drummond for Rondo straight up, nevermind also taking on a bad contract in exchange for an expiring one.

I would ask both sides of the fanbase/team

For Celtics/C fans, if salary wasn't a problem, would YOU swap Drummond and Rondo straight up? Most people will say no, some people will say yes

For Pistons/Piston Fans, would you do it? Most likely no

Pistons future looks pretty good right now with Jennings, Josh Smith, Greg Monroe, Drummond. Not sure if they are playoff bound but pretty sure if they add in a role player or two, they could be easily be in the playoffs.

No way Detroit moves Drummond for Rondo, but I wonder if they might be more inclined if Boston also added Sullinger. 

I think this might fly for both teams
Rondo, Sullinger, Wallace, Lee

for

Drummond, Stuckey, Villanueva, Jerebko

Boston gets a stud young big (he is better than Sully) and shaves a ton of long term cash off the books.  Detroit gets the best player in the trade and a decent young PF prospect to replace Drummond.

that's just a god awful idea.

give away a proven all-star that steps up his game in the playoffs and a young PF that can score and rebound for a center that has 'potential'?

let's look at it from just a straight talent exchange

Rondo is better than Drummond.  not even close.  scream potential all you want but it doesn't replace proven performance.

Sully is better than Stuckey  Sully rebounds and bangs down low which we need, Stuckey isn't a real ballhandler and a marginal shooter.  we have enough SGs

GW is better than Charlie V.  He's healthy and 1 season removed from being well worth his contract.  Charlie was never worth his at his best. 

Lee is better than Jerebko.  Lee was a bit disappointing with his shot last year but I'll take that as the aberratino not the norm.  Jerebko has been a disappointment for a couple of years now.  never really improved over his start.

As far as $ goes, we're not contending anytime in the next 2 years even optimistically.  There's no rush to clear GW's or Lee's deal off the books.  No young players on the roster that will cash in big where we have to clear cap space.  just on the odd chance AB has a breakout year, just let Hump, Brooks and Crawford all expire.

You're over rating Rondo slightly but you're not looking at it in context either.
He's 28, a few years from his prime.
We are in a rebuilding phase and Rondo's contract is up the season after this one.
He'll be poached by every NBA superstar that needs some point guard help.

Drummond is the probably the highest upside player in the NBA and his stock is rising rapidly because of his steady improvement as he spends more time on the court.

Rondo is great, but Drummond is one of those guys that is top 25 all time potential- and that's no exaggeration.
I doubt there's a single Detroit fan that would trade Drummond for Rondo. Perhaps 5% would say yes.

Ask the rest of the general NBA fanbase- including the more diehard and knowledgeable ones like us and they'd say the same thing.

I also don't get why people say 'that's stupid, why trade Rondo for a potential guy?'. The reasons are the same as the reasons above. Either Ainge puts together an All Star cast with Rondo that can compete, or Rondo is probably poached by New York or some big market team with a superstar or two that want him- why would he hang around a bummy Boston team through his prime years?
Ainge will probably see what he can cook up as far as getting Rondo some help goes. He'll try and get 2 more All Stars. But if he can't then he'll deal Rondo.
And yes, Ainge would 100000% pull the trigger if Joe Dumars offered us Andre Drummond for Rondo and Sully.
If you think he wouldn't you're delusional.

[LilRip]

There was a lot of buzz after the KG/Pierce trade that suggested Boston would look to trade Rondo next.  There also was a lot of buzz that suggested Boston was unlikely to hang onto Gerald Wallace and Kris Humphries. 

Folks like Bill Simmons took to twitter:

Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 29 Jun

FYI: Celts aren't moving Rondo unless they can dump multiple contracts in the trade. They want to fully bottom out while creating cap space.

Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 29 Jun

I'm intrigued by these Mavs-Celts rumors. Would Dallas take on the Wallace/Lee/Bass contracts with Rondo for Larkin + Marion/VC expirings?

Just an FYI that Kris Humphries can't be packaged in deals until September 2nd.  Gerald Wallace can't be packed in deals until September 12th. 

Seems to me, rumors could heat up in a couple weeks once a deal is actually possible.  For example... Pistons apparently want Rondo.

I'd gladly do this:

Rondo - 2 years 11 mil
Wallace - 3 years 10 mil

for

Charlie V - 8 mil expiring
Stuckey - 8 mil expiring
Drummond 3 years 2.4 mil

... Dump some bad money and get a young prospect for Rondo.  Of course, Detroit is very unlikely to give up Drummond for Rondo, but it's something to think about... those trades aren't even possible until September 12th.

I am not convinced that Det would trade Drummond for Rondo straight up, nevermind also taking on a bad contract in exchange for an expiring one.

I would ask both sides of the fanbase/team

For Celtics/C fans, if salary wasn't a problem, would YOU swap Drummond and Rondo straight up? Most people will say no, some people will say yes

For Pistons/Piston Fans, would you do it? Most likely no

Pistons future looks pretty good right now with Jennings, Josh Smith, Greg Monroe, Drummond. Not sure if they are playoff bound but pretty sure if they add in a role player or two, they could be easily be in the playoffs.

No way Detroit moves Drummond for Rondo, but I wonder if they might be more inclined if Boston also added Sullinger. 

I think this might fly for both teams
Rondo, Sullinger, Wallace, Lee

for

Drummond, Stuckey, Villanueva, Jerebko

Boston gets a stud young big (he is better than Sully) and shaves a ton of long term cash off the books.  Detroit gets the best player in the trade and a decent young PF prospect to replace Drummond.

i would definitely do this trade. Cs regain financial flexibility by getting out of Wallace's (and Lee's) contract and also acquire Drummond? sign me up.

i can see why this trade would be beneficial for the Pistons too (getting a top-flight PG, a shooter in Lee and a promising big in Sully).

[aporel#18]

Hate this Walking Dead Trade talk about Rondo for Drummond.

Who wants the trade to happen? Detroit because Rondo is Josh Smith's buddy.

Why would the Celtics want to trade Rondo, an All Star guard when they just lost their iconic vets and future Hall of Famers? I can't find a reason.

So if Danny Ainge were to trade Rondo, Joe Dumars must pay not 50 cents on the dollar, but twice Rondo's value.

Slamtheking has broken down very well the values of the players, and for me that trade would be unnacceptable. If Dumars wants a Rondo-Smith-Monroe trio, he has to give us everything else of value... and I can't see he's got enough for us to make the trade.

Smith wants Rondo, so Dumars made a lowball offer to appease him. But neither Ainge or Dumars want to trade their best assets, IMO. There's no need to bring back this zombie trade idea, even if it's the offseason and there's little to talk about.

[Vermont Green]

This became a thread about Rondo (like many) but yes, there will continue to be trade rumors, and many of them will involve Rondo.

One thing seems to get missed though when trading Rondo is debated.  People are very quick to point out that there is big risk in trading Rondo for a draft pick or player with potential because Rondo is proven.

There is some truth to this of course, especially when considering draft picks.  But nobody talks about the risk of not trading Rondo.  Rondo's knee may have future issues, he may decline, and he may sign elsewhere in 2015, leaving us with nothing (the same as what we end up with if a draft choice goes bad).

There is a timing factor in flipping Rondo now for a player who may come into his own in 2-3 years vs. Rondo who may sign elsewhere in 2 years.  The hedge to Rondo signing elsewhere is to offer an extension.  That would be risky too.

Proven or not, there is no sure fire way to go on this.

[Celtics18]

This became a thread about Rondo (like many) but yes, there will continue to be trade rumors, and many of them will involve Rondo.

One thing seems to get missed though when trading Rondo is debated.  People are very quick to point out that there is big risk in trading Rondo for a draft pick or player with potential because Rondo is proven.

There is some truth to this of course, especially when considering draft picks.  But nobody talks about the risk of not trading Rondo.  Rondo's knee may have future issues, he may decline, and he may sign elsewhere in 2015, leaving us with nothing (the same as what we end up with if a draft choice goes bad).

There is a timing factor in flipping Rondo now for a player who may come into his own in 2-3 years vs. Rondo who may sign elsewhere in 2 years.  The hedge to Rondo signing elsewhere is to offer an extension.  That would be risky too.

Proven or not, there is no sure fire way to go on this.

Lots of people are in fact talking about the risks of not trading Rondo.  All the risks that you point to are, indeed, real risks.  As far as I can tell, though, if we are playing the odds, keeping Rondo is the risk worth taking.

For those who are intrigued by the possibility of trading Rondo for the chance at a franchise player, I just want to remind everybody how often franchise players actually come around.

In the last approximately 60 years of the NBA, there have been roughly 30 players that we consider in that class of All Time Great, Franchise Level Players.  By my calculations, that means that a player of that caliber comes around, on average, once every two years.  Of course, there are better years and worse years, and there's a chance that Andre Drummond is one such player, and there's a chance that Anthony Davis is such a player, and , and Andrew Wiggins, and Jabari Parker, and Julius Randle, and Aaron Gordon, and Marcus Smart . . .

But, the chances that more than one or two of them end up being that player are ridiculously slim.  Potential is great, and young players that have it are fun to watch, but often times it's easy too get a little too carried away.  Potential makes us lose sight of how rarely these "franchise" type players actually come along. 

Of course I'd love for the Celtics to find a way to acquire a young player who turns into a top level all-time great, but I'm not willing to throw away a player of the caliber of Rajon Rondo for the chance at someone who "might turn into one."