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Re: is AB the long term answer at the sg spot?
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2013, 12:45:58 AM »

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With Rondo?  No.




Rondo does get the best out of him offensively. 




But defensively, neither of them are going to last long if they have to spend most their time defending larger SGs. 




He's best role for the Celtics would be off the bench or traded to a team with a large PG that can allow him start at SG, but defend the PG. 





It really is to bad because I like him next to Rondo offensively.

I did a little research that I'd like to share.  According to the numbers from the boxscores at BasketballReference, in the 36 total games that Rajon Rondo and Avery Bradley have started together the average opponents' points per game is 87.4 and the average team defensive rating for those games is 96.6.

Those are crazy good defensive numbers.  I realize that it's an extremely small sample size, and that there may be legitimate question marks about whether or not that level of defense could be sustainable over a full season or multiple full seasons.  Of course, we also no longer have Kevin Garnett who can likely make any combination of guys look good defensively playing alongside him.

Still, though, those numbers are crazy good.  I say, let's see if we can get an extended period where the two of them are healthy together before we make up our minds that it can't work. 

I like their chemistry together, and I'm looking forward to seeing it develop further. 

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Re: is AB the long term answer at the sg spot?
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2013, 12:52:05 AM »

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Anybody think if the clippers backcourt gets the injury bug or if something else happens,  doc will try to req for bradley??

If the clippers offered us reggie bullock(6'7 sg/sf, that can play some decent defense and can really shoot the three) + filler for bradley, would you do the trade?
i would love to have bullock on the team
really like his game
and he has some size at the 2 which is a refreshing change from bradley

Re: is AB the long term answer at the sg spot?
« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2013, 02:25:43 AM »

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Anybody think if the clippers backcourt gets the injury bug or if something else happens,  doc will try to req for bradley??

If the clippers offered us reggie bullock(6'7 sg/sf, that can play some decent defense and can really shoot the three) + filler for bradley, would you do the trade?
i would love to have bullock on the team
really like his game
and he has some size at the 2 which is a refreshing change from bradley

i don't know much about bullock, but if he's a legit 3-and-D guy with size and with potential and who can give us wing depth and is traded with a 2nd round pick for AB? i'm in  ;D

i like AB but i do keep in mind that he's not irreplaceable. Again, i don't know much about bullock but if another team holds a greater value for AB than we do, and consequently that team is willing to pay that higher-than-market-value price tag, then i would deal him.
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Re: is AB the long term answer at the sg spot?
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2013, 04:04:52 AM »

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If we have a defensive minded team where all four other starters are elite defensive players, he is worth his weight in gold.  If it isn't that exact situation then I don't really think so though

Re: is AB the long term answer at the sg spot?
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2013, 09:30:39 AM »

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He is only 22 years old, so hopefully we haven't seen the best of him yet. If he starts shooting over 40 percent from three point range (again), he could be our starting sg for a long time.

Re: is AB the long term answer at the sg spot?
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2013, 09:40:35 AM »

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tired of people dissing avery for his height. he produces, and thats all that matters.  the defensive numbers of rondo-bradley backcourt are staggering.

you people would trade avery for byron mullens simply because mullens is taller. ridiculous and not logical. all-nba defensive team and he still doesnt impress you because hes not 7 feet tall?

Re: is AB the long term answer at the sg spot?
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2013, 10:48:14 AM »

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tired of people dissing avery for his height. he produces, and thats all that matters.  the defensive numbers of rondo-bradley backcourt are staggering.

you people would trade avery for byron mullens simply because mullens is taller. ridiculous and not logical. all-nba defensive team and he still doesnt impress you because hes not 7 feet tall?

He defends.

The production isn't really there.  :P

Re: is AB the long term answer at the sg spot?
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2013, 02:47:02 PM »

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With Rondo?  No.




Rondo does get the best out of him offensively. 




But defensively, neither of them are going to last long if they have to spend most their time defending larger SGs. 




He's best role for the Celtics would be off the bench or traded to a team with a large PG that can allow him start at SG, but defend the PG. 





It really is to bad because I like him next to Rondo offensively.

I did a little research that I'd like to share.  According to the numbers from the boxscores at BasketballReference, in the 36 total games that Rajon Rondo and Avery Bradley have started together the average opponents' points per game is 87.4 and the average team defensive rating for those games is 96.6.

Those are crazy good defensive numbers.  I realize that it's an extremely small sample size, and that there may be legitimate question marks about whether or not that level of defense could be sustainable over a full season or multiple full seasons.  Of course, we also no longer have Kevin Garnett who can likely make any combination of guys look good defensively playing alongside him.

Still, though, those numbers are crazy good.  I say, let's see if we can get an extended period where the two of them are healthy together before we make up our minds that it can't work. 

I like their chemistry together, and I'm looking forward to seeing it develop further.


Like I said, I like what I saw in the small sample they have had in the three years together.


I am not worried about their defense.  I am worried about how long they can last if one of them spends so much time defending bigger men. 


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tired of people dissing avery for his height. he produces, and thats all that matters.  the defensive numbers of rondo-bradley backcourt are staggering.

you people would trade avery for byron mullens simply because mullens is taller. ridiculous and not logical. all-nba defensive team and he still doesnt impress you because hes not 7 feet tall?


I wouldn't want Mullens just because he is taller. 


I wouldn't mind a larger guard that has a similar skill level as Bradley.  I wouldn't mind Bradley serving as a backup G. 

Re: is AB the long term answer at the sg spot?
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2013, 02:55:20 PM »

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No.

Simple as that.

Undersized and below average offense. He is a role player who you bring off the bench to shut down a guard heating up.
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Re: is AB the long term answer at the sg spot?
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2013, 04:04:34 PM »

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Yea keep him good reserve bench player

Re: is AB the long term answer at the sg spot?
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2013, 04:14:47 PM »

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you people would trade avery for byron mullens simply because mullens is taller.

No, but if I'm building a competitive team I'd rather start Danny Green, Arron Afflalo, Wes Matthews, Gordon Hayward, Carlos Delfino, Thabo Sefolosha, Lance Stephenson, etc.
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Re: is AB the long term answer at the sg spot?
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2013, 05:07:54 PM »

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you people would trade avery for byron mullens simply because mullens is taller.

No, but if I'm building a competitive team I'd rather start Danny Green, Arron Afflalo, Wes Matthews, Gordon Hayward, Carlos Delfino, Thabo Sefolosha, Lance Stephenson, etc.
youd rather start sefolosha even though avery is a better defender?

Re: is AB the long term answer at the sg spot?
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2013, 05:10:28 PM »

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you people would trade avery for byron mullens simply because mullens is taller.

No, but if I'm building a competitive team I'd rather start Danny Green, Arron Afflalo, Wes Matthews, Gordon Hayward, Carlos Delfino, Thabo Sefolosha, Lance Stephenson, etc.
youd rather start sefolosha even though avery is a better defender?

Yes, because Sefolosha is a more versatile defender, he's less injury prone, and he's a more reliable outside shooter.
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Re: is AB the long term answer at the sg spot?
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2013, 06:00:32 PM »

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AB is only 22.  His questionable durability aside, I think he is going to improve in many areas.  I actually think that he will improve his PG skills enough to play more as a PG or combo guard vs. a straight SG.  These days, there are many types of PGs that play and are effective.

My concern with AB is durability.  I don't think his left shoulder was fully healed last year.  He did everything with his right hand.  If he comes back with a left hand this year (and stays healthy), I think he will be fine playing the point/combo.

Re: is AB the long term answer at the sg spot?
« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2013, 07:02:05 PM »

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I like him and he'd be great on a championship team. But I think he'll get traded to a team that needs him to get over the top.
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