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Re: Shabazz Muhammad dismissed from NBA Rookie Transistion Program
« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2013, 10:48:58 PM »

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Wait a second. Shouldn't the punishment for doing something like this be having to attend *more* "Rookie Transition" sessions?

It's like dismissing someone from driver's ed because they fail the parallel parking test.

TP. I was thinking the exact same thing.  If anything they should make these guys stay in the class, come back next season, and suspend them without pay on opening night.  The embarrassment and loss of pay would show them that screwing up is bad for them all around.

Sending the guy home from the class makes absolutely no sense.  Sometimes the nba makes the simplest thing so complicated (see draft lotto and dunk contest but those are topics for another thread).

Re: Shabazz Muhammad dismissed from NBA Rookie Transistion Program
« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2013, 11:05:54 PM »

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Kind of a dumb reason to dismiss him for that. If he was aware of this rule he can't really fight tha big heads on that. And I don't really see where tha punishment is. But a lot of athletes are paying child support for bringing females back to their hotel room. That shoulda been a kiss or hug goodbye at tha hotel entrance door.
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Re: Shabazz Muhammad dismissed from NBA Rookie Transistion Program
« Reply #47 on: August 07, 2013, 11:23:21 PM »

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Kind of a dumb reason to dismiss him for that. If he was aware of this rule he can't really fight tha big heads on that. And I don't really see where tha punishment is. But a lot of athletes are paying child support for bringing females back to their hotel room. That shoulda been a kiss or hug goodbye at tha hotel entrance door.

He knew or should have known:

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Just hours before Muhammad was sent home, players were given the rules for the program, which included no guests unless approved by program administrators.

The article I linked to also said that he will be fined.
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Re: Shabazz Muhammad dismissed from NBA Rookie Transistion Program
« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2013, 11:23:23 PM »

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Darrell Arthur and Brandon Rush (IIRC) were caught with drugs, didn't seem to hurt them much. Won't do much to shed Bazz's rep as a bonehead but well, he had that knock for a reason.

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Re: Shabazz Muhammad dismissed from NBA Rookie Transistion Program
« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2013, 11:40:45 PM »

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Wait a second. Shouldn't the punishment for doing something like this be having to attend *more* "Rookie Transition" sessions?

It's like dismissing someone from driver's ed because they fail the parallel parking test.

TP. I was thinking the exact same thing.  If anything they should make these guys stay in the class, come back next season, and suspend them without pay on opening night.  The embarrassment and loss of pay would show them that screwing up is bad for them all around.

Sending the guy home from the class makes absolutely no sense.  Sometimes the nba makes the simplest thing so complicated (see draft lotto and dunk contest but those are topics for another thread).

They make him attend next summer as part of the punishment.  If he doesn't show, it's a 5-game suspension, although If he gets kicked out of that, he'll probably just be fined again.

Re: Shabazz Muhammad dismissed from NBA Rookie Transistion Program
« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2013, 01:12:47 AM »

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Wait a second. Shouldn't the punishment for doing something like this be having to attend *more* "Rookie Transition" sessions?

It's like dismissing someone from driver's ed because they fail the parallel parking test.

He has to attend again with the 2014 class

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Zillgitt noted that Muhammad will be required to return to the rookie symposium next season—as a sophomore—with the Class of 2014 draftees and other players who have yet to attend the program.

Okay, got it. It's more like sending someone home from driver's ed and making him come back in a year - but letting him drive in the meantime.
My guess is a fine will be forthcoming either from the league or the team. While $20-25 large isn't much for someone that just signed a multi-million dollar contract, it will hurt some.

Suppose you offered every rookie the choice to attend, or to just pay the $25k up front and avoid the thing entirely (or even push it back a year). How many would pony up?

I'm being a bit facetious of course, but either the educational value matters or it doesn't. This sends an odd message.

The class probably doesn't matter that much to the rookies, but it's more of the "shame" factor of getting kicked out for not following rules and it being publicized. It also raises a flag for the team, especially since he he already has a reputation.

I guess. But won't the biggest knuckleheads, as KGsKnee called them, be precisely the ones who feel the least shame?

Again - either the NBA is genuinely trying to help these kids make better decisions, or it isn't.

I remember having the same reaction when I got suspended in high school: this is "punishment"? Now, detention after school - *that* I would work pretty hard to avoid. Same principle.
I'm thinking the only real punishment that might have 'teeth' would be a suspension, to be enforced at the season.

I.E. - follow our rules for these 4 days or you get suspended for 4 games.

That will have all your teammates and coaches pounding sense into you before you go to make sure you don't screw up.

I like a 4 day suspension (w/o pay) during which he gets an individualized Rookie Transition Program at his expense.   

It can't be only about punishment -- which in many circumstances does not act as a deterrent or cause remorse. It also has to be about making a good faith effort to teach something to these young men -- many of whom are immature and impulsive.  They are about to be very rich, more famous and constantly  tempted -- they need a course in how to manage their assets and manage themselves.  It won't work for all but may work for some.  I'd be interested to see data that provides some evidence of the effectiveness thus far of the Rookie Program.

 

Well, yes.  But in my proposal, I wouldn't have sent him home after he broke the rule.  The girls get kicked out, he still has to stay for the program.  And he gets suspended for 4 games to start the season.

Which will NOT make his teammates and coaches happy.   Which in my mind, is really the only strong leverage here.

You want a situation where it is in the interest of those vested in him to make sure the player understands how serious this is BEFORE he goes to the training.
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Re: Shabazz Muhammad dismissed from NBA Rookie Transistion Program
« Reply #51 on: August 08, 2013, 07:36:49 AM »

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that's kind of an odd rule
It's an incredibly stupid rule and I give him credit for treating a stupid rule the way stupid rules need to be treated. Don't let a stupid rule or tradition get in the way of common sense, duh.  What if he ends up marrying her?  My respect goes up for him more if he brings two girls next year.

Do you think a team curfew the night before a game is stupid?
Well. Since the games are usually at night I would have to say it probably is actually. It would depend on the culture of the team. If they have team breakfasts at 9am or something then a curfew could make sense, but it needs to be like 11pm, not 7:30pm. 

Re: Shabazz Muhammad dismissed from NBA Rookie Transistion Program
« Reply #52 on: August 08, 2013, 10:38:47 AM »

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What a lousy rule. He is an adult who is about to be a multi millionaire. What's wrong with bringing a lady back to his place.  It's unAmerican....

I bet part of the class is about gold digging woman who wait out side games or hotels for players to bring them back to the rooms, just to fool them into getting married then to just divorce a year later (or after the big contract) and loose half their money.

So part of the No guest allowed is to show restraint. Could just also be for safety sake for the guest so if some thing happens they don't blame the NBA.

Bottom line is, they are there on the NBA's dollar, and if thats what the NBA wants, they should follow and not fool around.

Thats what the regular season is for! :P

I get what your saying and agree, but he is an adult and responsible for himself. If he is stupid enough to blow it away, hopefully he will learn a valuable lesson. If not, then it's his problem.

Re: Shabazz Muhammad dismissed from NBA Rookie Transistion Program
« Reply #53 on: August 08, 2013, 10:59:33 AM »

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What a lousy rule. He is an adult who is about to be a multi millionaire. What's wrong with bringing a lady back to his place.  It's unAmerican....

I bet part of the class is about gold digging woman who wait out side games or hotels for players to bring them back to the rooms, just to fool them into getting married then to just divorce a year later (or after the big contract) and loose half their money.

So part of the No guest allowed is to show restraint. Could just also be for safety sake for the guest so if some thing happens they don't blame the NBA.

Bottom line is, they are there on the NBA's dollar, and if thats what the NBA wants, they should follow and not fool around.

Thats what the regular season is for! :P

I get what your saying and agree, but he is an adult and responsible for himself. If he is stupid enough to blow it away, hopefully he will learn a valuable lesson. If not, then it's his problem.

I think you made a good point on why the punishment cant be too harsh. These are grown man and this is only an educational session on what to expect. On the other hand, this is also a huge investment on the owners part. Youve gotta put some training to inform youre future employees how to behave. Obviously u cant enforce the rules since they are grown man but you can inform them of those rules and if shabazz cant even attend, then its just a bad sign for the owner.
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Re: Shabazz Muhammad dismissed from NBA Rookie Transistion Program
« Reply #54 on: August 08, 2013, 11:03:17 AM »

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Say what you want about the actual rule itself but it is ridiculously bone-headed & reeks of stupidity when you're read the rules of the program HOURS before breaking one that was explicitly outlined. 


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Re: Shabazz Muhammad dismissed from NBA Rookie Transistion Program
« Reply #55 on: August 08, 2013, 11:10:39 AM »

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We all have to follow some sort of work related rules. Most of the time some of the rules are stupid, but we do it (for the most part)because it's our job to. It doesn't matter if we're grown or not.

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« Reply #56 on: August 08, 2013, 12:01:20 PM »

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We all have to follow some sort of work related rules. Most of the time some of the rules are stupid, but we do it (for the most part)because it's our job to. It doesn't matter if we're grown or not.
Exactly.  You just summed it up.  And he must know that there is a history of players getting in trouble for not following these rules.  Just dumb.

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« Reply #57 on: August 08, 2013, 01:07:23 PM »

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He was dismissed because you have to bring 2 or more girls, 1 is not enough.

Re: Shabazz Muhammad dismissed from NBA Rookie Transistion Program
« Reply #58 on: August 08, 2013, 01:35:03 PM »

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What a lousy rule. He is an adult who is about to be a multi millionaire. What's wrong with bringing a lady back to his place.  It's unAmerican....

I bet part of the class is about gold digging woman who wait out side games or hotels for players to bring them back to the rooms, just to fool them into getting married then to just divorce a year later (or after the big contract) and loose half their money.

So part of the No guest allowed is to show restraint. Could just also be for safety sake for the guest so if some thing happens they don't blame the NBA.

Bottom line is, they are there on the NBA's dollar, and if thats what the NBA wants, they should follow and not fool around.

Thats what the regular season is for! :P

I get what your saying and agree, but he is an adult and responsible for himself. If he is stupid enough to blow it away, hopefully he will learn a valuable lesson. If not, then it's his problem.
If he is an adult and responsible for himself then the responsible thing to do as an adult is to follow the rules of the seminar. Part of the seminar is teaching these older boys the consequences one might come across if you still act like the child you acted like in college. It is a seminar to teach these older boys how to act like men and adults. Clearly this point was lost upon the child that is Shabazz Mohammed.

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« Reply #59 on: August 08, 2013, 03:49:45 PM »

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What a lousy rule. He is an adult who is about to be a multi millionaire. What's wrong with bringing a lady back to his place.  It's unAmerican....

I bet part of the class is about gold digging woman who wait out side games or hotels for players to bring them back to the rooms, just to fool them into getting married then to just divorce a year later (or after the big contract) and loose half their money.

So part of the No guest allowed is to show restraint. Could just also be for safety sake for the guest so if some thing happens they don't blame the NBA.

Bottom line is, they are there on the NBA's dollar, and if thats what the NBA wants, they should follow and not fool around.

Thats what the regular season is for! :P

I get what your saying and agree, but he is an adult and responsible for himself. If he is stupid enough to blow it away, hopefully he will learn a valuable lesson. If not, then it's his problem.

Except that, if he makes one stupid, avoidable bad life decision after another, it is probable that it will at some point negatively impact his basketball career.   Which would make it the NBA's problem.   They've guaranteed millions of dollars to these guys.

Which makes it in the best interest of the NBA to help these players learn to avoid those mistakes.

Pretty much every one of the pro leagues now have some sort of rookie orientation / guidance /mentoring program in place now.   They do it for legit reasons.
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