Jeff Green Concerns

[moiso]

I think Green can be a good third banana on a solid playoff team that can go multiple rounds.

The more & more you ask out him, the worst the basketball team you'll end up with, IMO.

If you're asking him to be THE guy, then I think you're looking at a lottery bound basketball team.

You are right.  And there is a reason he keeps ending up as a third banana.  These are some great players, but if Green was great he would have found himself a little higher on his past teams' totem poles.

[merkins]

I guess the concern is that for the majority of his career, Green has been a pretty mediocre player statistically, both overall and per-minute.  He hasn't shown a lot of improvement until the latter half of last season.  Those statistics coincide with observational passivity.

In March and April, Green was outstanding.  Is he going to build off of that, or will he regress to the player he's been for his career up to this point?

As usual, Roy nails it. And, as others have said, if Jeff Green is going to be this team's go to guy, then 25-30 wins is probably right.

If Green can build off from the 2nd half of the season, I can definitely see him averaging 25/7/5 next year...

I think the whole Green has been a mediocre player throughout his career is blown out of proportions. He was the third option behind Durant and Westbrook in OKC, and he still averaged around 14 ppg. In Boston, he was behind Pierce/Allen/KG/Rondo...

Last year during the second half of the season, we saw a more aggressive Green and a more confidence Green...
If he can build off that, then I agree with KG...he can and potentially can be a top 5 SF, and with Rondo, that is something to be proud of going forward.

The problem is it appears his approach towards the game is better suited towards being a quality third scoring option rather than being the 'man'.  I think we will see very early next season if he comes out ready to take on the scoring burden or not.

[hpantazo]

What concerns me the most about Green is his ability to pass out of a double team. If he can get that down, he will be great, but so far he has been awful at it, and he will see much more of it this year.

He will never be the playmaker that Lebron or even Pierce is, but all he needs to be able to do is get the ball moving out of a double team without throwing it away.

[timobusa]

He makes old friend Paul Pierce look bad when we play the nets 

Haha, thats one of my concerns too.

I don't want him to posterize Paul Pierce.

[BigAlTheFuture]

I'm not particularly sure about what you guys are saying, but I don't think Jeff is a mediocre ballhandler because we've already entrusted him to take the ball up the court which he can do just as well as AB (who was technically our PG). Not only that but he's a pretty good scorer/finisher at the rim and you can't exactly get to the rim without dribbling. He doesn't turn the ball over that much, and he's clearly not elite, but he's good enough for a SF. He can improve but I don't think he's mediocre in any regard. Plus, he can play the 4 when OKC/we went/go smallball and thus it's fair to compare him to Bass or KG or Sully or Humphries, etc.

[sorry about no paragraphs]

AB is horrible and a completely unreliable ballhandler for a guard. I don't see how you can call Jeff Green a good ballhandler and say he's on the same level as Bradley. You keep mentioning how we "entrusted" him to bring the ball up the court, but most of the time that was with no pressure on the ball. I'm pretty sure most professional basketball players would be able to bring the ball up half court with no ball pressure.

Also, comparing his handles to Bass, KG, Sully, and Hump is completely unfair. Those guys are all primarily 4 and 5's while Jeff Green is naturally a SMALL forward. He plays the 4 in certain situations but Jeff Green is in no way shape or form a 4. His handles definitely aren't bad but it's not above average either. Mediocre is the correct term.

[td450]

This year will be a great experiment and should settle just what Green's ceiling is. I thought he improved last year primarily because he was constantly being told to be more aggressive, and he made a strong effort to do that.

Becoming a primary scorer is different. Teams will actually game plan for Jeff Green this year, so he will need to improve. He has tended to make up his mind early on his drives. If he plants his launching foot and sweeps the ball up cleanly, he's practically unstoppable. He gets in trouble when someone attacks his dribble before he can launch. He isn't great at setting up defenders and making those split second reads, like Pierce could.

Making the leap to a primary scorer takes some reps, and he has most of the tools. It will be fun to see if he can take the next step.

[dark_lord]

my jeff green concerns:

-can he score consistently
-will he be able to penetrate to his left
-on the ball perimeter defense
-his heart

[Fred Roberts]

Zero concerns about Jeff Green.

I'm far more concerned about Sully's back and Rondo's knee and Avery's shooting/ball handling. Not to mention our issues at Center both short and long term.

[Quetzalcoatl]

If he plants his launching foot and sweeps the ball up cleanly, he's practically unstoppable. He gets in trouble when someone attacks his dribble before he can launch.

A little off topic but what is the basic trick to this?  I have been trying to get better at this in league games / pick up and it basically causes me to get double teamed if I pull it off once, then the next thing I know some little guy is diving at my knees from my blind spot trying to swipe at the ball.  If I take off from too far out to avoid the hacking, then I'm usually too far for a good lay up.  I didn't really play with coaches my entire life and there are therefore some annoying holes in my game.

[jambr380]

I hate how everything gets blown out of proportion. Jeff Green is not now, nor has he ever been 'mediocre'. He is a very good basketball player that should probably be the 3rd best player on a playoff caliber team.

It will be interesting to see if he can maintain his dominance with being the top offensive option. I think very few people think he will be in Lebron/Durant, or even the PP category, but there's no reason he can be a Paul George type player.

[erisred]

I tend to be a worry wart and there is way too much with the Celtics this year I could worry about...not even *starting* with Jeff Green! Sully's back, Rondo's knee, Olynyk's arms, Green's assertiveness, Bradley and Lee's shot, Hump's personality, Wallace's contract, Steven's youth and inexperience, Melo's, er, everything. Should we tank? Should we not tank? Who should be trade, pick, argh! Way, too much to worry about!

So, for this entire coming season, I've decided to try a "don't worry, be happy" attitude. I just want to enjoy the good things that happen and not sweat any of the bad things. Root for every C's player, hope for the best, shrug off the worst. I'm going to try to look at everything as a "learning experience" for the players, the coaches...especially Stevens..., the front office...especially Danny...and the fans.

I'll evaluate what I've seen and what it looks like everybody else learned later...like, next summer, later. That's my resolution. So...

...I have no Jeff Green concerns! He will do whatever he does and be whatever he is and I'll embrace him whether he is "a break out star", "same as he every was", or "overmatched and overwhelmed."

[dark_lord]

So, for this entire coming season, I've decided to try a "don't worry, be happy" attitude. I just want to enjoy the good things that happen and not sweat any of the bad things. Root for every C's player, hope for the best, shrug off the worst. I'm going to try to look at everything as a "learning experience" for the players, the coaches...especially Stevens..., the front office...especially Danny...and the fans.

tp

[bfrombleacher]

I hate how everything gets blown out of proportion. Jeff Green is not now, nor has he ever been 'mediocre'. He is a very good basketball player that should probably be the 3rd best player on a playoff caliber team.

His stats have been mediocre.

But I see him as being a "potential" player. But he's one who's yet to have the opportunity to shine, in contrast to someone like J-Smoove who's been given all the chances in the world.

[moiso]

I hate how everything gets blown out of proportion. Jeff Green is not now, nor has he ever been 'mediocre'. He is a very good basketball player that should probably be the 3rd best player on a playoff caliber team.

His stats have been mediocre.

But I see him as being a "potential" player. But he's one who's yet to have the opportunity to shine, in contrast to someone like J-Smoove who's been given all the chances in the world.

Although J-Smoove would be a much better and more valuable player if he had roles like Jeff Green has had on offense.  He would still give a ton of rebounds and blocks- he just wouldn't be as free to jack up so many bad shots.

Green has never really contributed in other ways than scoring.

[BASS_THUMPER]

he been thru alot
if we went thru what he did
would you give 100% with out fear?

Green is legit..let him find himself
and this is his year