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Re: Why is everyone so down on Fab Melo?
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2013, 10:15:12 PM »

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Re: Why is everyone so down on Fab Melo?
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2013, 10:17:57 PM »

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Until he fixes his basketball dumbness and awareness, he'll keep sucking. I'm not sure if he'll be able to get it. Too slow to react to everything and just doesn't understand the game. I've seen little to no improvement from him on this regard.

Yes, he can do the hook shot, etc. But until he learns to actually play basketball he'll amount to nothing. Game is severely fast for him.

Re: Why is everyone so down on Fab Melo?
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2013, 10:52:42 PM »

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I guess some people are still hoping that Fab Melo will be the next DeAndre Jordan. But I don't see that happening.

Re: Why is everyone so down on Fab Melo?
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2013, 11:07:55 PM »

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I don't get all the hate either to be honest.

Just for the record, we made the playoffs last season with Jason Collins as our backup center.  Collins plays decent positional defense and sets good screens, which is really the extent of his abilities.  He rebounds like a small forward, he's not a shot blocking threat, he misses shots 5 feet from the basket, he has no jump shot, he's foul prone and he is incredibly slow.

The previous season we made it to the ECF and almost knocked off Miami with Ryan Hollins as our backup center.  When we signed Hollins the only plus side for him was the fact that he was a relatively agile 7-footer and that was about all he had going for him.  He was known as a horrendous defensive player, an utterly useless offensive player and a horrible rebounder.  He was also known as a guy with zero Basketball IQ and a pretty so-so attitude.  He didn't fill box scores, but he had some solid games for us and made some impact just by bringing strong effort and good energy.  Our team didn't die with him on the court. 

Fab is raw - we are all well aware of that.  The guy has only played competitive basketball for something like 3 or 4 years and is competing against guys who have probably been playing since they were 5 years old...it's going to take him time to catch up instinctively.  He's also only 23 years old and quite physically gifted with his length, height, strength and mobility.  On offense he has developed a nice little hook shot that he's hitting with some consistency as well as a pretty smooth midrange jumper, decent touch from the free throw line and decent passing ability.  Defensively he has already does a good job of using his length to force opposing players into difficult shots, he is already a top-calibre shot-blocker and he's shown he has the end-to-end speed to chase down transiton plays defensively.  That's already a bigger skill set then either COllins or Hollins ever had, and he's picked all of this up in his first 3 or so years of playing basketball. 

By no means am I saying he'll be a star, but I think he already has a promising skill set, and that his instincts will improve dramatically over time.  The Fact that Javale McGee is still playing big minutes and getting paid big money indicates to me that Fab has plenty of chance of becoming a productive NBA player.  In fact, if I were the coach I'd slot him in as a backup Center this year for 5-10 minutes a game and just see what he can do.  We aren't competing for a title this season, so we really don't have much to lose.

Re: Why is everyone so down on Fab Melo?
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2013, 01:40:10 AM »

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Interesting point re: Fab playing back up minutes this season. I get a hunch that he might just stay in th D League this season and play starter minutes for Maine?
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Re: Why is everyone so down on Fab Melo?
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2013, 02:47:03 AM »

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I don't get all the hate either to be honest.

Just for the record, we made the playoffs last season with Jason Collins as our backup center.  Collins plays decent positional defense and sets good screens, which is really the extent of his abilities.  He rebounds like a small forward, he's not a shot blocking threat, he misses shots 5 feet from the basket, he has no jump shot, he's foul prone and he is incredibly slow.

The previous season we made it to the ECF and almost knocked off Miami with Ryan Hollins as our backup center.  When we signed Hollins the only plus side for him was the fact that he was a relatively agile 7-footer and that was about all he had going for him.  He was known as a horrendous defensive player, an utterly useless offensive player and a horrible rebounder.  He was also known as a guy with zero Basketball IQ and a pretty so-so attitude.  He didn't fill box scores, but he had some solid games for us and made some impact just by bringing strong effort and good energy.  Our team didn't die with him on the court. 


I'm not sure whether I qualify as a "hater" or not. I'd like to think I'm being realistic.

But, if your hope is that he turns out to be a Collins/Hollins type (I actually like the Collins comparison), that seems like a pretty reasonable upside-case for him.

I really do hope the C's give him a few minutes early on in the season. There's little lost by doing so, and it might clarify whether he could end up being a useful NBA player. Having him ride the pine for another year seems pointless unless Danny is already 100% sure Fab will never be an NBA player.

Re: Why is everyone so down on Fab Melo?
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2013, 03:09:11 AM »

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I refuse to believe anyone who says Fab had a decent Summer League actually watched him play in it.

He repeatedly got blocked at the rim by no name earthbound career D-Leaguers.  Any pass to him has a 50/50 chance of being bobbled and dropped.  The next offensive rebound I see him get will be the first.  He took several shots that didn't hit anything.  He has no motor.  He won't move two steps to get a loose ball.

Second year guys should be dominating the summer games but Melo was getting dominated.  Melo was clearly the worst player on squad and our squad had some of the worst players in the Orlando Summer League.

Re: Why is everyone so down on Fab Melo?
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2013, 03:19:20 AM »

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I refuse to believe anyone who says Fab had a decent Summer League actually watched him play in it.

He repeatedly got blocked at the rim by no name earthbound career D-Leaguers.  Any pass to him has a 50/50 chance of being bobbled and dropped.  The next offensive rebound I see him get will be the first.  He took several shots that didn't hit anything.  He has no motor.  He won't move two steps to get a loose ball.

Second year guys should be dominating the summer games but Melo was getting dominated.  Melo was clearly the worst player on squad and our squad had some of the worst players in the Orlando Summer League.

You hit it right on the nail.
Everything you wrote was spot on.

Yes, Fab has improved, but not enough for the NBA level, he's gonna get eaten alive in the big boy league.
Heck, Colton Iverson out played him, and he's off to Turkey and didn't even made the team.

Fab is gonna be a D-Leaguer.

He's gonna play some NBA games this year, just so we have a better shot at the lottery. LOL

Re: Why is everyone so down on Fab Melo?
« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2013, 04:16:01 AM »

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Just look how bad Avery Bradley looked his first year and a half.

People were laying it hard on AB I remember.

It's been reported that Melo went through workouts before games in Maine. It wouldn't surprise me that he's been doing the same in the summer league. After all, what's it matter to Ainge if Melo looks good in the summer and developmental leagues.

My guess is apart from conditioning, another reason for putting him through those workouts would be to raise the level of competition a little. With his physical talents, he might have been able to perform very well even if he doesn't do the right things on the floor and end up developing bad habits.

Re: Why is everyone so down on Fab Melo?
« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2013, 04:33:41 AM »

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I refuse to believe anyone who says Fab had a decent Summer League actually watched him play in it.

He repeatedly got blocked at the rim by no name earthbound career D-Leaguers.  Any pass to him has a 50/50 chance of being bobbled and dropped.  The next offensive rebound I see him get will be the first.  He took several shots that didn't hit anything.  He has no motor.  He won't move two steps to get a loose ball.

Second year guys should be dominating the summer games but Melo was getting dominated.  Melo was clearly the worst player on squad and our squad had some of the worst players in the Orlando Summer League.

Ok, now that's just ridiculous.  After Olynyk, Pressey and MAYBE Iverson Fab was easilly thennext best player on the Celtics Summer league squad.  He lacked consistency, but he was actually reasonably productive. 

Re: Why is everyone so down on Fab Melo?
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2013, 05:54:06 AM »

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Just look how bad Avery Bradley looked his first year and a half.

People were laying it hard on AB I remember.

I recall during insisting during Bradley's rookie season that he was a SG and it was stupid for Doc to keep trying to force him to be a PG.  I just don't feel the same optimism watch Melo, although I don't think he is a lost cause.
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Re: Why is everyone so down on Fab Melo?
« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2013, 07:17:56 AM »

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I refuse to believe anyone who says Fab had a decent Summer League actually watched him play in it.

He repeatedly got blocked at the rim by no name earthbound career D-Leaguers.  Any pass to him has a 50/50 chance of being bobbled and dropped.  The next offensive rebound I see him get will be the first.  He took several shots that didn't hit anything.  He has no motor.  He won't move two steps to get a loose ball.

Second year guys should be dominating the summer games but Melo was getting dominated.  Melo was clearly the worst player on squad and our squad had some of the worst players in the Orlando Summer League.

Ok, now that's just ridiculous.  After Olynyk, Pressey and MAYBE Iverson Fab was easilly thennext best player on the Celtics Summer league squad.  He lacked consistency, but he was actually reasonably productive.
I have to agree with dangertx. I saw four of the Celtics Summer league games and against borderline NBA competition or NBDL competition his skill set was lacking.

I don't look at Summer League stats but form and individual play. Melo's footwork in the post was awful. He carries the ball much too low while attempting a low post move and ultimately was getting it blocked, a lot. His hands looked bad and he lost or fumbled way too many good passes to the interior. He seemed not to know where the basket was when he played back to the basket low post offense, sometimes making a good move only to find out he was right under the basket.

On defense, his rotations off his man were dreadfully slow and his defensive position for rebounds was awful. It appears he just hasn't mastered the art of sticking his man on his butt and boxing him out. His pick and roll defense was just bad.

I will say that offensively he did appear to be looking for contact before shooting hoping to get a three point play and his free throw form looked excellent. He also looked like he could weak side block a bunch of shots. But all the other faults in his game just make him a D-League player at best, IMHO.

If he can't get out of the D-League this year, I expect him gone next year.

Re: Why is everyone so down on Fab Melo?
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2013, 07:19:31 AM »

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Just look how bad Avery Bradley looked his first year and a half.

People were laying it hard on AB I remember.

I recall during insisting during Bradley's rookie season that he was a SG and it was stupid for Doc to keep trying to force him to be a PG.  I just don't feel the same optimism watch Melo, although I don't think he is a lost cause.
I really enjoy Bradley and his defense, but as of now the sample size of the bad Avery outweighs the good.  He seemed to regress quite a bit toward the end of last season.  He definitely didn't look like an NBA player on offense.

Re: Why is everyone so down on Fab Melo?
« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2013, 08:17:10 AM »

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Just look how bad Avery Bradley looked his first year and a half.

People were laying it hard on AB I remember.

I recall during insisting during Bradley's rookie season that he was a SG and it was stupid for Doc to keep trying to force him to be a PG.  I just don't feel the same optimism watch Melo, although I don't think he is a lost cause.

AB's defense has been transcendent, even when he was the whipping boy.

Edit: point was, I agree. He looked pretty darn good and I'm glad he made it.
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Re: Why is everyone so down on Fab Melo?
« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2013, 10:29:27 AM »

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NO

The "But just look at Avery Bradley" argument is RETIRED.

(1) Avery Bradley is STILL a one-dimensional player who is far from establishing himself as an average shooting guard in the NBA.

AVERY BRADLEY = NOT [YET?] A SUCCESS STORY

(2) Avery Bradley WAS HURT going into his rookie season. Over the course of his rehab, he nonetheless destroyed the D-league and then put up an electric and efficient 20 points in 27 minutes in the Celtics regular season finale.

MELO = NOWHERE NEAR AS GOOD AS BRADLEY WAS


STOP IT.

PLEASE