Terrence Jones arrested for stomping on a homeless man

[Eja117]

No no nooooo. Don't ever wait to pass judgement. If you make an immediate judgement and get emotionally connected to the issue then you may follow the issue for weeks or months.  The whole time the media gets to sell the non-story right back to you while ignoring actual news, like say maybe a major Middle Eastern coup. This way the media doesn't need to do actual work, which cuts their expenses. They can just say something like "Stunning news tonight...the suspect has been in trouble before. GASP!"  Then months down the line if the outcome is different from the way you wanted you can get all mad and protest. THEN the media can cover THAT and sell your own protest back to you as news, without doing any real work on that. "Newsflash. Some people are angry and probably will be for a few more days."  This keeps profit margins in the media high and it's all produced right here in America. So it all gets taxed here. Rushing to judgement is what keeps the economy running.  No. Definitely definitely judge from limited data as though you were there. That judge not stuff is a load of hippy crud.

Terrence. You're an unclassy scumbag SOB! In fact Mr Jones....I never met you and I wasn't there but you're totally the Grinch and this song goes out to you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgP0aUKlmNw

[ManUp]

I will wait for further details, but I used to be a huge fan of Terrence Jones.

Sorry. Don't need further details when you have a policeman witnessing the act. That's the type of thing that they should suspend him for a year immediately over. Scum of the earth.

Yeah, because Policemen never say or do anything dishonest.

I'll wait for further details.

Can ANYONE on here please give me ONE possible reason that the policeman would have to make up this story? We live in a world where it is very likely for a cop to sweep something like this under the rug to gain favor with the celebrity, but there isn't any positive for bringing this to light. You should really be a little more grateful for these guys who put their lives on the line each day for you...

Just to clarify, my point is that being a cop does not add any extra credibility to the value of your word. It doesn't make you any more of a honest or respectable person. I did not suggest the cop was racist, lying or that Jones is innocent I just think that a cops word is far from the beginning and the end.

Sorry. Don't need further details when you have a policeman witnessing the act

I think your comment represents a very dangerous way of thinking that many people share. IMO, it's the reason some cops walking around like they're bullet proof mobsters. I wouldn't surprise me if Jones is a jerk, but I don't think he'd just stomp on a guy for no reason either.

[LooseCannon]

Can ANYONE on here please give me ONE possible reason that the policeman would have to make up this story?

My suggestion to you is not to use the words "ONE possible reason" if you are not capable of discussing in abstract terms.  I gave you one possible reason.  I did not say that was the case here. 

Here are other possible reasons:
1. The policeman bet against Kentucky in the NCAA championship 2 years ago.
2. Terrence Jones had a one night stand with his baby sister.
3. The homeless man was his secret lover.

There are a million reasons why the policeman could lie, racism being one.

My suggestion to you would be to own up to the fact that you clearly have a major issue with race and policeman, and you need to assess whether or not that is helping you in life or hurting you. I can promise you that claiming racism over evrything does nothing but further divide things. We have made HUGE strides as a country when it comes to racism and this type of thing doesn't help. I am judging the man based on the content of his character vs his skin color just like the good Reverend would hope we would do. Is it POSSIBLE that this didn't actually happen the way the victim and the cop said? Sure. It is also possible that OJ was really innocent as well... 

We may have made huge strides, but we still have MUCH farther to go.  People who don't understand that have a major issue with race; they just don't realize it.

[guava_wrench]

I will wait for further details, but I used to be a huge fan of Terrence Jones.

Sorry. Don't need further details when you have a policeman witnessing the act. That's the type of thing that they should suspend him for a year immediately over. Scum of the earth.

Yeah, because Policemen never say or do anything dishonest.

I'll wait for further details.

Can ANYONE on here please give me ONE possible reason that the policeman would have to make up this story? We live in a world where it is very likely for a cop to sweep something like this under the rug to gain favor with the celebrity, but there isn't any positive for bringing this to light. You should really be a little more grateful for these guys who put their lives on the line each day for you...

Police officers are human beings. Humans make plenty of mistakes. It is possible that he misperceived what was going on. This happens all the time.

Odds are he did it, but serious actions like this deserve cautious investigation.

[EJPLAYA]

My suggestion to you would be to own up to the fact that you clearly have a major issue with race and policeman, and you need to assess whether or not that is helping you in life or hurting you. I can promise you that claiming racism over evrything does nothing but further divide things. We have made HUGE strides as a country when it comes to racism and this type of thing doesn't help. I am judging the man based on the content of his character vs his skin color just like the good Reverend would hope we would do. Is it POSSIBLE that this didn't actually happen the way the victim and the cop said? Sure. It is also possible that OJ was really innocent as well... 

1.  Yes I have an issue with racism and abuse of power.  I will have those issues whether it helps me in my life or not. 
2.  No one claimed that the policeman lied because he was racist.  Certainly not I.  I claimed we should wait until we have more information and pointed out that the policeman COULD have lied because he COULD be racist.
3.  It is very debatable how much progress we have made.  It is also not very relevant to this thread.
4.  You are judging a man based on one or two sentences you read on a twitter feed.  Unless you happen to personally know Terrence Jones or witness what actually happened you do not know the content of his character.
5.  OJ was acquitted by the legal system.  But of course you are judging OJ based on the content of his character which you pieced together from limited and incomplete information from the media.

This is clearly pointless. You are on me about not knowing the facts when a cop and the homeless man stated the same thing, however don't have any issue rushing to judgement that this was a racially motivated cop who was lying because he didn't like the guy because of his skin color. There is no denial by their camp. There are no buddies he was with coming out (yet) and saying that this isn't what happened.

The plain fact that you would dismiss the clear fact that this country has made HUGE strides in the racism field shows your bias and inability to consider anything other than if the accused is black it must have been racism. Then to say it isn't even a factor?! If you can't admit that you don't want to see it. We have a black president! When I was born (42 yrs ago) we had segregated schools. Many areas it was illegal for a black and white couple to date. Is it completely where it ought to be? No. But attitudes like yours push us further away from that goal rather than closer to it. If you want to live in an excuse filled world where the criminal isn't guilty BECAUSE of his skin color, that is not much different than this being the reason they WERE guilty.

BTW, OJ's own mother doesn't believe he was innocent... His behavior since then has confirmed everything you want to know. Oh... He was probably framed for THAT as well.

[D.o.s.]

If this is true, the guy's a real dick.

It's not terribly surprising to see that athletes can be less-then-stellar human beings, though.

[Yogi]

This is clearly pointless. You are on me about not knowing the facts when a cop and the homeless man stated the same thing, however don't have any issue rushing to judgement that this was a racially motivated cop who was lying because he didn't like the guy because of his skin color. There is no denial by their camp. There are no buddies he was with coming out (yet) and saying that this isn't what happened.

The plain fact that you would dismiss the clear fact that this country has made HUGE strides in the racism field shows your bias and inability to consider anything other than if the accused is black it must have been racism. Then to say it isn't even a factor?! If you can't admit that you don't want to see it. We have a black president! When I was born (42 yrs ago) we had segregated schools. Many areas it was illegal for a black and white couple to date. Is it completely where it ought to be? No. But attitudes like yours push us further away from that goal rather than closer to it. If you want to live in an excuse filled world where the criminal isn't guilty BECAUSE of his skin color, that is not much different than this being the reason they WERE guilty.

BTW, OJ's own mother doesn't believe he was innocent... His behavior since then has confirmed everything you want to know. Oh... He was probably framed for THAT as well.

1.  I highlighted the opinions in red that you attribute to other people but really only exist in your imagination.
2.  The progress we have made is very debatable.  To use an analogy, putting a restraint on a dog, does not make it any less hostile.  There are tangible benefits to restraining the dog, but that does not equate to having a nicer dog.  This discussion is not really relevant to this thread however. 
3.  I don't claim that OJ was innocent.  I really have no idea.  All I know was that he was acquitted by the U.S. legal system.  I couldn't care less about O.J.'s mother's opinion.  For all I know, they hated each other. 
4.  It is undeniable that the legal and political system have progressed in addressing racism.  It is not very clear at all if this progress has translated into the socioeconomic realm.  It is easy to look at wealth distribution, prison population, media portrayal and even the anonymous internet comments to see that it is unclear exactly how much progress has been made. 
5.  Why are you so quick to jump to the conclusion that Jones is guilty?  Terrence Jones and the homeless man got into a conflict.  It is one person's word against another.  The cop at the scene took the side of the homeless guy.  I wonder if the same thing would have happened if instead of Terrence Jones it was Justin Beiber. 

I suspect the headline "Homeless man harasses Bieber outside of club" would be more likely than "Justin Beiber stomps homeless man."  It is a fact that our society views Terrence Jones as a threat of violence and aggression because he is a young, big, black male.  Beiber on the other hand is seen as much less of a threat and the homeless man would be portrayed as a drunk, drug addicted bum assaulting a pop star. 

For the last time, I repeat, I do not claim that Terrence Jones is innocent.  I only claim that I have no idea and neither do you.  To assume that he is knowing so little is not only ignorant but negligent. 

[paidthecost2betheboss]

So now everyone is a liar except for the NBA player. And that is obviously according to you because of his skin color. THIS is why race relations are deteriorating once again in this country. How about some responsibility for ones actions instead of claiming race victimization. The homeless man would have been in a better position to land a huge settlement if he had NOT said anything about it publicly. Otherwise what's the point? The damage to his reputation has already been done.

Sad that the homeless guy now is the criminal and the cop is the racist liar and the NBA player who is clearly a worthless piece of trash is the victim...

I've highlighted the parts that are completely wrong, or bear no resemblance to anything I said. 

"THIS is why race relations are deteriorating once again in this country."  Here is an example of an outrageous claim that has no basis in reality.

   http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/26/turning-up-the-volume/

I'll spare the highlighting of your own version of an outrageous claim with no basis in reality.

Saying you disagree would seem to be the wisest most civil way to disagree and it lowers the chance that somebody like me comes in with some reality that counters your bold highlighted counter claim.

Good times

[EJPLAYA]

This is clearly pointless. You are on me about not knowing the facts when a cop and the homeless man stated the same thing, however don't have any issue rushing to judgement that this was a racially motivated cop who was lying because he didn't like the guy because of his skin color. There is no denial by their camp. There are no buddies he was with coming out (yet) and saying that this isn't what happened.

The plain fact that you would dismiss the clear fact that this country has made HUGE strides in the racism field shows your bias and inability to consider anything other than if the accused is black it must have been racism. Then to say it isn't even a factor?! If you can't admit that you don't want to see it. We have a black president! When I was born (42 yrs ago) we had segregated schools. Many areas it was illegal for a black and white couple to date. Is it completely where it ought to be? No. But attitudes like yours push us further away from that goal rather than closer to it. If you want to live in an excuse filled world where the criminal isn't guilty BECAUSE of his skin color, that is not much different than this being the reason they WERE guilty.

BTW, OJ's own mother doesn't believe he was innocent... His behavior since then has confirmed everything you want to know. Oh... He was probably framed for THAT as well.

1.  I highlighted the opinions in red that you attribute to other people but really only exist in your imagination.
2.  The progress we have made is very debatable.  To use an analogy, putting a restraint on a dog, does not make it any less hostile.  There are tangible benefits to restraining the dog, but that does not equate to having a nicer dog.  This discussion is not really relevant to this thread however. 
3.  I don't claim that OJ was innocent.  I really have no idea.  All I know was that he was acquitted by the U.S. legal system.  I couldn't care less about O.J.'s mother's opinion.  For all I know, they hated each other. 
4.  It is undeniable that the legal and political system have progressed in addressing racism.  It is not very clear at all if this progress has translated into the socioeconomic realm.  It is easy to look at wealth distribution, prison population, media portrayal and even the anonymous internet comments to see that it is unclear exactly how much progress has been made. 
5.  Why are you so quick to jump to the conclusion that Jones is guilty?  Terrence Jones and the homeless man got into a conflict.  It is one person's word against another.  The cop at the scene took the side of the homeless guy.  I wonder if the same thing would have happened if instead of Terrence Jones it was Justin Beiber. 

I suspect the headline "Homeless man harasses Bieber outside of club" would be more likely than "Justin Beiber stomps homeless man."  It is a fact that our society views Terrence Jones as a threat of violence and aggression because he is a young, big, black male.  Beiber on the other hand is seen as much less of a threat and the homeless man would be portrayed as a drunk, drug addicted bum assaulting a pop star. 

For the last time, I repeat, I do not claim that Terrence Jones is innocent.  I only claim that I have no idea and neither do you.  To assume that he is knowing so little is not only ignorant but negligent.

Absolute nonsense. Have fun with that attitude. If you choose to be a victim your whole life and refuse to see progress then you get what you get.

As far as your theory of the two getting in a conflict... Kind of hard to get into a conflict with a sleeping man. Yelling wake up and stomping on his legs while laying down... Yeah. It was a fair fight. Oh, that's right. You don't believe cops because they lie because they are racists... I'm done. You could have a video of it and you'd say the person who filmed it staged it because he was a racist too. Sad.

[Yogi]

So now everyone is a liar except for the NBA player. And that is obviously according to you because of his skin color. THIS is why race relations are deteriorating once again in this country. How about some responsibility for ones actions instead of claiming race victimization. The homeless man would have been in a better position to land a huge settlement if he had NOT said anything about it publicly. Otherwise what's the point? The damage to his reputation has already been done.

Sad that the homeless guy now is the criminal and the cop is the racist liar and the NBA player who is clearly a worthless piece of trash is the victim...

I've highlighted the parts that are completely wrong, or bear no resemblance to anything I said. 

"THIS is why race relations are deteriorating once again in this country."  Here is an example of an outrageous claim that has no basis in reality.

   http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/26/turning-up-the-volume/

I'll spare the highlighting of your own version of an outrageous claim with no basis in reality.

Saying you disagree would seem to be the wisest most civil way to disagree and it lowers the chance that somebody like me comes in with some reality that counters your bold highlighted counter claim.

Good times

I have no idea what this is. 

1. What counter claim are you countering? 

2. How exactly does linking to an opinion piece in the Washington times provide support for an argument?

3. "Here is an example of an outrageous claim that has no basis in reality."  I suspect this is the claim you are countering.  I assume you are saying that "THIS is why race relations are deteriorating once again in this country." DOES have a basis in reality.  I am still unclear on what that link has to do with anything.  But if it is to prove that "race relations are deteriorating" then it is misguided because what me and EJ disagree over is the cause of the deterioration, not the actual deterioration. 

Furthermore, the very admission that racial relations are deteriorating are somewhat in contrast to EJ's claim that we have made HUGE strides in racial relations to begin with.  Even if that opinion piece has any factual credibility to it, it neither refutes my point nor reinforces EJ's point.

[Yogi]

Absolute nonsense. Have fun with that attitude. If you choose to be a victim your whole life and refuse to see progress then you get what you get.

As far as your theory of the two getting in a conflict... Kind of hard to get into a conflict with a sleeping man. Yelling wake up and stomping on his legs while laying down... Yeah. It was a fair fight. Oh, that's right. You don't believe cops because they lie because they are racists... I'm done. You could have a video of it and you'd say the person who filmed it staged it because he was a racist too. Sad.

Since you are not reading anything I am writing, I can only assume you are talking to yourself.  You are literally spouting things that have no relation to anything I or anyone else have said. 

It is amazing that people in this day and age of fake twitter accounts and elaborate hoaxes still accept every random story they read as absolute fact.  That type of ignorance has been proven to be extremely dangerous in history. 

[paidthecost2betheboss]

So now everyone is a liar except for the NBA player. And that is obviously according to you because of his skin color. THIS is why race relations are deteriorating once again in this country. How about some responsibility for ones actions instead of claiming race victimization. The homeless man would have been in a better position to land a huge settlement if he had NOT said anything about it publicly. Otherwise what's the point? The damage to his reputation has already been done.

Sad that the homeless guy now is the criminal and the cop is the racist liar and the NBA player who is clearly a worthless piece of trash is the victim...

I've highlighted the parts that are completely wrong, or bear no resemblance to anything I said. 

"THIS is why race relations are deteriorating once again in this country."  Here is an example of an outrageous claim that has no basis in reality.

   http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/26/turning-up-the-volume/

I'll spare the highlighting of your own version of an outrageous claim with no basis in reality.

Saying you disagree would seem to be the wisest most civil way to disagree and it lowers the chance that somebody like me comes in with some reality that counters your bold highlighted counter claim.

Good times

I have no idea what this is. 

1. What counter claim are you countering? 

2. How exactly does linking to an opinion piece in the Washington times provide support for an argument?

3. "Here is an example of an outrageous claim that has no basis in reality."  I suspect this is the claim you are countering.  I assume you are saying that "THIS is why race relations are deteriorating once again in this country." DOES have a basis in reality.  I am still unclear on what that link has to do with anything.  But if it is to prove that "race relations are deteriorating" then it is misguided because what me and EJ disagree over is the cause of the deterioration, not the actual deterioration. 

Furthermore, the very admission that racial relations are deteriorating are somewhat in contrast to EJ's claim that we have made HUGE strides in racial relations to begin with.  Even if that opinion piece has any factual credibility to it, it neither refutes my point nor reinforces EJ's point.

The opinion piece includes surveys conducted with Americans by NBC (left lean) and WSJ (right lean) You see a survey is often a collection of opinions. Does it or they the folks interviewed have any credibility......credibility? Hurling words like outrageous at someone while being wrong is classic in the way that questioning the validity of a survey of your fellow Americans and it's credibility is.

Seriously, "Even if that piece has any factual credibility to it"

It's a survey conducted by other outlets with an opinion piece wrapped around it.


You are implying others are missing points while missing some of your own.  Enjoy.

First it was an outrageous claim that had no support and then it's just a bunch a Americans opinions with factual credibility issues.......whatever that means ? I gave up caring so please don't answer this. Seriously. You win. Whatever that is it's you.

[Yogi]

The opinion piece includes surveys conducted with Americans by NBC (left lean) and WSJ (right lean) You see a survey is often a collection of opinions. Does it or they the folks interviewed have any credibility......credibility? Hurling words like outrageous at someone while being wrong is classic in the way that questioning the validity of a survey of your fellow Americans and it's credibility is.

Seriously, "Even if that piece has any factual credibility to it"

It's a survey conducted by other outlets with an opinion piece wrapped around it.


You are implying others are missing points while missing some of your own.  Enjoy.

First it was an outrageous claim that had no support and then it's just a bunch a Americans opinions with factual credibility issues.......whatever that means ? I gave up caring so please don't answer this. Seriously. You win. Whatever that is it's you.

I win what?  This is not a competition.  In an attempt to show me up or whatever you were trying to do, you've managed to misunderstand a very simple thing. 

"THIS is why race relations are deteriorating once again in this country." 

What is outrageous about this statement is the claim that THIS (my perspective on race) is WHY race relations are deteriorating.  NOT the fact that "race relations are deteriorating." There was never a disagreement over whether race relations were deteriorating.  I hope that clears things up for you. 

[D.o.s.]

Did everyone miss the part where Yogi never said that the cop was racist, only that he might be (as an example of a reason to be wary of the initial story)?

Or are we just willfully ignoring it?

[Mr Green]

Did everyone miss the part where Yogi never said that the cop was racist, only that he might be (as an example of a reason to be wary of the initial story)?

Or are we just willfully ignoring it?

This.

Also, here's some more updated info...

Rockets’ Jones pleads not guilty to misdemeanor harassment
Posted on July 31, 2013 at 1:36 pm by Jonathan Feigen

Rockets forward Terrence Jones pleaded not guilty on Wednesday to a charge of harassment in Portland, Ore., following an incident in which police said he shouted at a homeless man and stomped on his leg.

Jones, 21, was arrested at 2:07 a.m. local time Wednesday and charged with a Class B misdemeanor. He was released on his own recognizance at 6:02 a.m. A trial date is tentatively scheduled for Sept. 6 in the Multnomah County Circuit Court.

Jones, who was accompanied by his mother and other family members, did not speak at the arraignment. His attorney, Kevin O’Connell, entered the not guilty plea on his behalf.

According to a police spokesman, Sgt. Anthony Passadore observed Jones shortly after 2 a.m. walk past two men sleeping in a doorway, shout “wake up” and stomp on one of the men’s legs. Jones was with a group of about eight people when he was stopped and taken into custody about a half a block from the incident.

The victim, Daniel John Kellerher, 46, did not require medical attention. He is uninjured and is not pressing charges.

O’Connell said he would not comment on details of the incident but is certain Jones did not attempt to violently step on Kellerher.

“I’m convinced this is not a criminal incident,” O’Connell said. “He’s charged with harassment, and it will go away, I’m sure. It should not be a criminal matter. I think Terrence told him, ‘You better wake up,’ or something. The fella was sleeping on the sidewalk.

“He’s very embarrassed by this. He’s a young kid who can’t understand why this happened. He’s really upset over it. He’s not a person who would do something spiteful.”

Rockets spokesperson Tracey Hughes said the organization is aware of the reports but has no comment.

Jones, 6-9, played in 19 games as a rookie last season, averaging 5.5 points and 3.4 rebounds. He is expected to compete for the starting power forward spot after averaging 15.8 points with the Rockets’ summer league team.

A Portland native, Jones helped Kentucky to the 2012 NCAA title. The Rockets selected him 18th in the 2012 NBA draft.

O’Connell said Jones is free to travel, including on the Rockets’ trip to the Philippines and Taiwan in October.

Source: http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/07/terrence-jones-arrested-in-portland-for-harassment-of-homeless-man/