Brad Stevens adopting Doc's rotation philosophy haha

[Clench123]

Young players won't play just because we're rebuilding. They have to earn it.

Game action for young players is a bit overrated: "You have to perform in practice to be able to perform in the game. There are some people who I do think are ‘a gamer,’ but if you don’t bring it in your preparation, if you don’t spend time on your preparation and if you don’t work on your own game, study your opponent, commit to however your team is playing, then you’ll have a ceiling on yourself. And I think at the end of the day, you’re looking for guys who won’t accept the ceiling and will just continue to strive and be the very best that they can be."

The starting lineup is nowhere near determined: "I really don't give that a lot of thought in general. One of the reasons why is because you don't necessarily always start the five guys that are going to finish the game. You don't start the five games who are maybe the best five. You may start the best couple and then the guys who complement them. You just find that out as you go through the early season.

Regardless of how you want to spin it, this right here is what Doc has been all about, earning your spot.  A lot of people here has been bashing Doc for this for couple years now (the losing phase).

I don't like the way Doc left because it was kind of dirty but if Brad Stevens is anything like Doc, then I believe we are lucky.  At least as far as this one goes, I'm happy.

[bobbyv]

Not exactly the same. The criticism of Doc was how young players that should have been getting more playing time didn't. Stevens is simply saying he'll see who earns it in practice.

[SparzWizard]

Please, no more doghouses 

[masteremile123]

Wow the title scared me. Doc's problem was not really knowing how to utilise his players (other than the big 4) , he completly botched using : Jason Terry , Barbosa , Lee , Milicic and to an extent Jeff Green ( if rondo didn't get injured I could see Green still coming of the bench and Barbosa being in the dog house)
Doc didn't understand that these players needed minutes , and some freedom on the court. It was shocking how every single career scorer forgot how to score in boston under doc.I bet Jamal crawford averages 8 ppg this season
Let's just hope Stevens knows how to better utilise his bench.

[sed522002]

This isn't a Doc philosophy..most coaches say the same thing. The Doc criticism came when he would heavily play the vets even if they were stinking it up and wouldn't substitute.

[dreamgreen]

This isn't a Doc philosophy..most coaches say the same thing. The Doc criticism came when he would heavily play the vets even if they were stinking it up and wouldn't substitute.

Agreed, simply overplaying vets when they looked dead tired, and not giving young legs enough burn drove me crazy.

[timobusa]

Wow the title scared me. Doc's problem was not really knowing how to utilise his players (other than the big 4) , he completly botched using : Jason Terry , Barbosa , Lee , Milicic and to an extent Jeff Green ( if rondo didn't get injured I could see Green still coming of the bench and Barbosa being in the dog house)
Doc didn't understand that these players needed minutes , and some freedom on the court. It was shocking how every single career scorer forgot how to score in boston under doc.I bet Jamal crawford averages 8 ppg this season
Let's just hope Stevens knows how to better utilise his bench.

I second that. LOL

[clover]

Not exactly the same. The criticism of Doc was how young players that should have been getting more playing time didn't. Stevens is simply saying he'll see who earns it in practice.

Yep, people just presume that Doc not playing young players had to do with their inferior practice performances.

On one hand, Doc generally had a major injury each year that got at least the high-potential young guys into the lineup each year that they deserve it.
 
On the other hand, Doc IMO did little in terms of midseason strategy adjustments, or just adjustments overall, to adapt to the particular strengths of each player on his team.  That drove Tommy a little crazy the last couple of years.

Doc also seems committed not to have to engage in serious player development again in his career, perhaps gauging accurately that he'll be handed a veteran team who doesn't need significant teaching each year for the duration of his coaching career.  Likewise, he's probably got pretty comfortable with a minimalist approach to practicing throughout the regular season.

Stevens IMO is just what this team needs going forward.

[Celtics4ever]

OP is way off on this one.   Sounds like Stevens plays who earns it and uses numbers rather than pedigree, age, experience to win games.  This sounds nothing like Doc, ha ha.

[LosAngelesCeltic]

OP is way off on this one.   Sounds like Stevens plays who earns it and uses numbers rather than pedigree, age, experience to win games.  This sounds nothing like Doc, ha ha.

Love that you mentioned his analytics, because it does decide some of his rotation moves. Some of the younger guys will like this thing, but the older guys who are producing will not like it because they have always been coached by "gut" coaches. It's going to be interesting to say the least.

[Ogaju]

Young players won't play just because we're rebuilding. They have to earn it.

Game action for young players is a bit overrated: "You have to perform in practice to be able to perform in the game. There are some people who I do think are ‘a gamer,’ but if you don’t bring it in your preparation, if you don’t spend time on your preparation and if you don’t work on your own game, study your opponent, commit to however your team is playing, then you’ll have a ceiling on yourself. And I think at the end of the day, you’re looking for guys who won’t accept the ceiling and will just continue to strive and be the very best that they can be."

The starting lineup is nowhere near determined: "I really don't give that a lot of thought in general. One of the reasons why is because you don't necessarily always start the five guys that are going to finish the game. You don't start the five games who are maybe the best five. You may start the best couple and then the guys who complement them. You just find that out as you go through the early season.

Regardless of how you want to spin it, this right here is what Doc has been all about, earning your spot.  A lot of people here has been bashing Doc for this for couple years now (the losing phase).

I don't like the way Doc left because it was kind of dirty but if Brad Stevens is anything like Doc, then I believe we are lucky.  At least as far as this one goes, I'm happy.

Must be the Doc days of summer for you to spin those comments into this conclusion. Doc Rivers has no coaching philosophy other than to hire coaches that did the actual technical job of coaching, and then of course ride his veteran hall of famers when he had them. Rivers was HC of the Celtics for upwards of nine years and I never heard anything come out of his mouth or credited to him that was a profound as what Brad Stevens just said.

Nice Spin though.

'if Brad Stevens is anything like Doc, then I believe we are lucky.'

Thanks for the laugh....

[ronaldo943]

Young players won't play just because we're rebuilding. They have to earn it.

Game action for young players is a bit overrated: "You have to perform in practice to be able to perform in the game. There are some people who I do think are ‘a gamer,’ but if you don’t bring it in your preparation, if you don’t spend time on your preparation and if you don’t work on your own game, study your opponent, commit to however your team is playing, then you’ll have a ceiling on yourself. And I think at the end of the day, you’re looking for guys who won’t accept the ceiling and will just continue to strive and be the very best that they can be."

The starting lineup is nowhere near determined: "I really don't give that a lot of thought in general. One of the reasons why is because you don't necessarily always start the five guys that are going to finish the game. You don't start the five games who are maybe the best five. You may start the best couple and then the guys who complement them. You just find that out as you go through the early season.

Regardless of how you want to spin it, this right here is what Doc has been all about, earning your spot.  A lot of people here has been bashing Doc for this for couple years now (the losing phase).

I don't like the way Doc left because it was kind of dirty but if Brad Stevens is anything like Doc, then I believe we are lucky.  At least as far as this one goes, I'm happy.

Must be the Doc days of summer for you to spin those comments into this conclusion. Doc Rivers has no coaching philosophy other than to hire coaches that did the actual technical job of coaching, and then of course ride his veteran hall of famers when he had them. Rivers was HC of the Celtics for upwards of nine years and I never heard anything come out of his mouth or credited to him that was a profound as what Brad Stevens just said.

Nice Spin though.

'if Brad Stevens is anything like Doc, then I believe we are lucky.'

Thanks for the laugh....

Seems like you hate Doc.

[BballTim]

Young players won't play just because we're rebuilding. They have to earn it.

Game action for young players is a bit overrated: "You have to perform in practice to be able to perform in the game. There are some people who I do think are ‘a gamer,’ but if you don’t bring it in your preparation, if you don’t spend time on your preparation and if you don’t work on your own game, study your opponent, commit to however your team is playing, then you’ll have a ceiling on yourself. And I think at the end of the day, you’re looking for guys who won’t accept the ceiling and will just continue to strive and be the very best that they can be."

The starting lineup is nowhere near determined: "I really don't give that a lot of thought in general. One of the reasons why is because you don't necessarily always start the five guys that are going to finish the game. You don't start the five games who are maybe the best five. You may start the best couple and then the guys who complement them. You just find that out as you go through the early season.

Regardless of how you want to spin it, this right here is what Doc has been all about, earning your spot.  A lot of people here has been bashing Doc for this for couple years now (the losing phase).

I don't like the way Doc left because it was kind of dirty but if Brad Stevens is anything like Doc, then I believe we are lucky.  At least as far as this one goes, I'm happy.

Must be the Doc days of summer for you to spin those comments into this conclusion. Doc Rivers has no coaching philosophy other than to hire coaches that did the actual technical job of coaching, and then of course ride his veteran hall of famers when he had them. Rivers was HC of the Celtics for upwards of nine years and I never heard anything come out of his mouth or credited to him that was a profound as what Brad Stevens just said.

  Do you have any evidence that Doc never did any of the technical coaching?

[Clench123]

Not exactly the same. The criticism of Doc was how young players that should have been getting more playing time didn't. Stevens is simply saying he'll see who earns it in practice.

Yep, people just presume that Doc not playing young players had to do with their inferior practice performances.

On one hand, Doc generally had a major injury each year that got at least the high-potential young guys into the lineup each year that they deserve it.
 
On the other hand, Doc IMO did little in terms of midseason strategy adjustments, or just adjustments overall, to adapt to the particular strengths of each player on his team.  That drove Tommy a little crazy the last couple of years.

Doc also seems committed not to have to engage in serious player development again in his career, perhaps gauging accurately that he'll be handed a veteran team who doesn't need significant teaching each year for the duration of his coaching career.  Likewise, he's probably got pretty comfortable with a minimalist approach to practicing throughout the regular season.

Stevens IMO is just what this team needs going forward.

What proof do you have otherwise?  There is no proof to conclude that the guys he didn't play showed enough at practice to warranty play time.  Someone like Shav played good on the offensive end but his defense was bad.  But people were calling for Doc's head for benching him

[Clench123]

Young players won't play just because we're rebuilding. They have to earn it.

Game action for young players is a bit overrated: "You have to perform in practice to be able to perform in the game. There are some people who I do think are ‘a gamer,’ but if you don’t bring it in your preparation, if you don’t spend time on your preparation and if you don’t work on your own game, study your opponent, commit to however your team is playing, then you’ll have a ceiling on yourself. And I think at the end of the day, you’re looking for guys who won’t accept the ceiling and will just continue to strive and be the very best that they can be."

The starting lineup is nowhere near determined: "I really don't give that a lot of thought in general. One of the reasons why is because you don't necessarily always start the five guys that are going to finish the game. You don't start the five games who are maybe the best five. You may start the best couple and then the guys who complement them. You just find that out as you go through the early season.

Regardless of how you want to spin it, this right here is what Doc has been all about, earning your spot.  A lot of people here has been bashing Doc for this for couple years now (the losing phase).

I don't like the way Doc left because it was kind of dirty but if Brad Stevens is anything like Doc, then I believe we are lucky.  At least as far as this one goes, I'm happy.

Must be the Doc days of summer for you to spin those comments into this conclusion. Doc Rivers has no coaching philosophy other than to hire coaches that did the actual technical job of coaching, and then of course ride his veteran hall of famers when he had them. Rivers was HC of the Celtics for upwards of nine years and I never heard anything come out of his mouth or credited to him that was a profound as what Brad Stevens just said.

  Do you have any evidence that Doc never did any of the technical coaching?

Exactly.  People wants to credit Thibs for our entire defense when our defense was just as good if not better after he left

But one thing I love with Brad that Doc didn't have is his willingness to work with numbers.  He's big on numbers and Doc never had that.  So that is a positive